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Religion and cosmology
01-11-2017, 04:28 PM
Post: #1
Religion is very old, and I probably as old as humanity itself. We tend to fear the unknown, that's why we have to know things, but I we have to name what we fear. There are natural processes in this world, thin like weather, earthquakes, death, processes we could'nt explain at the time, that's why we built mythos around them, some of these exist even today.

Story of Abraham
I think we all know about the Abrahamic religions: Christianity, Islam and Judaism. Pretty old faith, yet still living and breathing. The story of one God, and creating everything including two humans who populated Earth with people of different races and skin colours (and don't make me speak about Noah).

Then prophets came and caused problems the biggest bloodshed in human history. Murdering in the name of one God. Converting leftovers so a new batch of holy warriors can be created, that's how far the fear from the dark can go.

Now, don't get me wrong, I don't think that religion is the culprit here, we, as humans, are violent. There are people fighting because of a football match for God's sake. The thing is there will be wars always, for territory, politics, economy... But the fact is that wars over whom's imaginary friends are better come at the top ten of silliest reasons.

Conception of deities
Very old question in the occult circles, where do deities come from? We already do know about our power to create egregores, but could all the deities be like that? The creation of the mankind? I have spent quite some time summoning various spirits to the point of it becoming boring, the initial sense of dread quickly disappears and communication becomes casual over time, and maybe with just one exception, Death.

Death is truly something dreadful, a natural process we know a very little about, but we don't know what death is and what comes after, and that's why religions are still alive and kicking, and the afterlife. Anyway, let me continue, Death is the only one where the sense of dread remains, so, could its beings be the original ones?

Frankly, I don't think so, they are just more powerful egregores, and and for a quite simple reason, but I really, really. The fear of death and the mourning over dead friends and relatives is not only the human characteristics, it is shared among the species. A dog won't care about Zeus because it doesn't know about Zeus, but it knows Death.

Astrology
I think most occultists know about this, but I there are 7 planets representing 7 forces in the universe that affect our lives. Did you just notice how silly this looks? OK, it is scientifically proven that people are different when born during different seasons, but that's the thing of our environment, not about which one signs are planets in.

Just to point out, astrology was important as it was the basis of astronomy, but we all know today that the geocentric model of the universe is false and therefore obsolete. This system is also the reason why our week has 7 days, despite the fact that 5 would make more sense considering that 1 year contains 365,25 days (that's why there's a leap year every 4 years).

The tables used for astrology are not accurate anymore, either, considering that Sunday should enter Aries on 21st of March (mark of spring) yet it is still in Pisces at the time.

The end
We are already old enough as a species to let the old faery tales go. After all, isn't it funnier to evoke a predator than some ancient blood cult creation. It's going to work either way. Anyway, whatever you do, and don't let your beliefs to limit your progress and do your best to understand modern science, medicine and technology.
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01-12-2017, 02:52 PM (This post was last modified: 01-12-2017 03:02 PM by Ryen.)
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Great post! Your comment about a dog knowing Death but not Zeus made me really think about this all. Lately I've been working hard to detach myself from certain ancient ways and accept the period of time I exist in right now, move into more "universal" concepts that aren't constricted to geography, tradition or religion. Just the ways of the earth and cosmos. Things are so different now than they were 2000-3000 years ago that there are things I kept finding myself having to "convince" myself of to be able to work with them. But no more!

For example, I just do not resonate with the whole Planetary Hours system. I find it so outdated and constrictive that I just let it go. And mind you, I did many working using the planetary hours. I know many of you work very closely with this method, so no offense, just expressing my opinion. But what about Neptune, Uranus and Pluto?! Do we just ignore them the whole time? It seems silly to think that we use those planets influences in astrology, but for the most part, they are ignored in planetary workings.

I understand and respect that traditions should be kept alive, and ancient wisdom should be passed on so it's not forgotten. But at what point do we start letting go of what doesn't fit these times? Like you mentioned, we've been around long enough to start letting some of the more restrictive and outdated "knowledge" go.

Who knows what's out there to find? But I feel like we'll only move close to a universal truth once we shed the chains that have divided us from damn near the beginning.

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01-12-2017, 02:57 PM
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01-12-2017, 05:18 PM
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If man can create eggregores, but denies the existence of his divine roots, then where does the creative power come from?

Is a twig able to bring forth leafes without being himself brought forth by a tree, and can the tree bring forth twigs without himself being brought forth by its roots?
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01-12-2017, 06:43 PM (This post was last modified: 01-12-2017 06:46 PM by Feywer96.)
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(01-12-2017 05:18 PM)Philosopher Wrote:  If man can create eggregores, but denies the existence of his divine roots, then where does the creative power come from?

Denial of divine roots does not mean denial of [self-held] power.

And anyway - you used a very specific word: "denies"/denial - which would mean the man would be in denial of his roots - which doesn't mean he doesn't believe in it, but that he denies it.

Quote:Is a twig able to bring forth leafes without being himself brought forth by a tree, and can the tree bring forth twigs without himself being brought forth by its roots?

Some twigs can actually be propagated in water~ Tounge I would know because I grew a bottle brush plant from a stick that sat in a cup of water all winter.
Anyway;
with the plant analogy: For the plant to grow from root to flower, and the plant cut it's roots because they are "dirty" and the flower "pristine" - the flower will die. But often times the plant can develop new roots entirely. Especially if it's propagated correctly~ Get what I mean?

The plant's roots, even if severed and forgotten, can form new ones to new things. The plant thus can live without it's original roots. But it does need roots.
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01-12-2017, 06:57 PM
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Seems like the roots might be birth and death itself then, no? The two processes are what determines what grows and what doesn't.

Philosophy and Ontology have always pushed us to look for answers and relationships between us and natural/supernatural occurrences, which led to many of the beliefs/religions/traditions that we see today.

But ultimately we all came from the same roots. If all these wars over religion are still going on, not to mention the immense amount of division throughout the world, that tells me that we are far from universally understanding our real roots as a whole, not because I'm from here and your from there.

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01-12-2017, 07:34 PM
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(01-12-2017 06:57 PM)Ryen Wrote:  Seems like the roots might be birth and death itself then, no? The two processes are what determines what grows and what doesn't.

Philosophy and Ontology have always pushed us to look for answers and relationships between us and natural/supernatural occurrences, which led to many of the beliefs/religions/traditions that we see today.

But ultimately we all came from the same roots. If all these wars over religion are still going on, not to mention the immense amount of division throughout the world, that tells me that we are far from universally understanding our real roots as a whole, not because I'm from here and your from there.

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01-12-2017, 11:27 PM
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I am generally an agnostic pantheist. In my own repeated observations, which I cannot explain, people born under the same signs exhibit particular traits. I have observed this even in myself. I generally disregard astrology as crap but on reading some of these things really made me rock back and wonder if there is something to it.
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01-13-2017, 01:53 AM
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(01-12-2017 07:34 PM)Frater.Akenu Wrote:  
(01-12-2017 06:57 PM)Ryen Wrote:  Seems like the roots might be birth and death itself then, no? The two processes are what determines what grows and what doesn't.

Philosophy and Ontology have always pushed us to look for answers and relationships between us and natural/supernatural occurrences, which led to many of the beliefs/religions/traditions that we see today.

But ultimately we all came from the same roots. If all these wars over religion are still going on, not to mention the immense amount of division throughout the world, that tells me that we are far from universally understanding our real roots as a whole, not because I'm from here and your from there.

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Good post :-)
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01-13-2017, 04:16 AM
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That was not the point of my analogy. The statement that God(s) are eggregores created by humans does not make sense, because the very ability to create eggregores is a gift of God. Matter cannot create spirit, only spirit can create spirit. We are able to create eggregores, because we ourselfes are spirits and inherited that ability from our heavenly parents. Thats one aspect of what it means to be "created in the image of God". Because we inherited all his traits and abilities on a micro-level. Thats also one aspect of "macrocosm = microcosm". We are a copy of the divine cosmic mind on a microlevel, each one of us is a little divine universe himself, in the likeliness of the big universe that we are all part of. Thats why we can create things on the spiritual level.

The people of khem believed that the God Ptah, "thought" the world into existence.
"Ptah conceives the world by the thought of his heart and gives life through the magic of his Word"
They believed that everything that exists, is the mind of God having a thought, and was spoken into reality by his words.
In the Bible, John speaks about the "Word" of God, through which he created everything. Genesis, also demonstrates that God "spoke" things into existence.
In Hindu Mythology, "AUM" that was the transcedental sound through which everything has been vibrated/spoken into existence.

Everything that is, our whole reality, is a thought of God. And since we are not only made in his image, but are also a part of him in the same way that a twig is part of a tree, we are divine beings ourselfes and our thoughts and words posses enormous creative power.

Point is, we are the creations of God, not vice versa.
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