The Difference Between Magic & Magick

[ven0m]

Honestly I didn't know that.Thanks for sharing.

[Zlogonje]

(04-25-2012 03:38 AM)SWAGSTER Wrote:  Oh I used to think the only magick is magic but misspelled.
Now I feel stupid.

I'd personally heard the term magick thrown around but hand't really thought much about it either.

[Vitus Lazarus]

In fact, the magick version is the youngest one; Romantic is right, the term magick has made by ""edgy" new-agers, or an illiterate person from the 1500s", but in fact, as you wrote it, by Crowley in the 20th century.
So it's a very new alteration - and IMO a very unnecessary.

Because as the Glass Wizard wrote "the only differences between the words are the ones created by yourself or accepted into your mind";
or as Asmodean:
"it doesnt matter the difference they are just labels tis the context and arrangement.
different words same meaning along with same words different meaning."

Magic is magic.
You think it's illusion? Ok.
You think it's about altering reality? Ok.

How do you spell it? /ˈmædʒɪk/
Who cares how you write it down?
Magic, magick, majik, maejjik, madjik, madjick, madjic, maedjick, mhaedjikk, etc...

"What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet."

Paths, traditions, dictionaries, masters, outcasts, literature, fiction, history, science, subcultures...

Labels, just labels.

[riverwizard]

(04-09-2012 05:26 PM)Zlogonje Wrote:  For those of you who were wondering...

Quote:Magic
Most people consider magic to be anything from David Copperfield to Witchcraft spells. That is not the case. Any practitioner of witchcraft or occult studies will frown upon it - just like calling a male Wiccan a Warlock. Magic is an illusion and can be better phrased 'stage magic'. Pulling a quarter from a child's ear is magic. Sticking swords through a lady in a box is magic. Disappearing acts are magic. On stage levitation is magic. I won't tell you the tricks behind them all here since the magicians may have some backlash against me. As the saying goes, "the hand is quicker than the eye." That about sums up the meaning of magic.
Magick
Magick with a k is much different. Magick is performed by witches and occultists. You can have white magick or black magick, but that's up to the subject practising it. The term was actually coined by Aleister Crowley, the self-proclaimed "Anti-Christ" of the early 20th century.. The addition of the 'K' is to symbolise a more 'magickal' word. K is the 11th letter of the alphabet with the number 11 thought to represent hidden energy.
Magick can be summed up as a religious form of prayers. Lady Sabrina, in her book,Wiccan Magick for Beginners, defines magick as a system of concepts and methods of using the subtle forces of nature to help the individual alter reality; to cause change to occur in accordance with will; the art and ability to manifest desire through an intricate system of symbols, ritual, and spell work.
Hopefully this clears up the difference between magic and magick. It was also a quick little article for me to write and I like the short ones - easier on the wrists...

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Source: http://www.theastralworld.com/occult/magick-and-magic.php

Leave it to a worshiper to muddy the water. No, that is not correct. To begin with, Lady Sabrina is a fraud. It is true Aleister not only coined the word, but defined it. Odd a Satanist would turn to a fraud rather than the source for the definition (but then they do call him, Lord of Lies). There are subtle traps in this lie woven here. The definition is correct but false. How can that be? Witches are not recognized practitioners. Desire is considered a form of restriction and all restriction is sin. No desire enters into it ever. An intricate system of symbols, rituals, and spell work? Yes and no. It should be understood to be a specific approved system yet constantly changing. New things are discovered. We write a treatise - and it is either approved or not. Whether or not one can continue using a method themselves. Many more things are included. The arts are a critical part. Dali made a point of sitting on a stuffed rhino chair on the Tonight Show as an act of Magick. Then their are props like Dali's shiny shoes, cane, and mustache. All of these he goes into the magick significance of. We use color, sound, even the whether. It is critical to understand, 'the man in purple'.

One last thing - we cause change according to WILL. This is the WILL of LOVE taught by the brotherhood of TRUECHRIST before the advent. The biggest mistake young Thelemites make is in thinking the phrase, Love is the Law, Do what thou Will, somehow means free-love and unabashed willfulness. We did not manage to get the message clear when we called all to Cali in 67. Love is a transcendent love in the New Testament code. It means something more than to become the thing identified with. Will is to be transcended in that same way and the essence of will discovered.

Now, I suggest those reading this compare the difference between a worshipers account gleaned from Google and how it lives and breaths when alive in us.

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(08-23-2012 07:26 PM)Vitus Lazarus Wrote:  In fact, the magick version is the youngest one; Romantic is right, the term magick has made by ""edgy" new-agers, or an illiterate person from the 1500s", but in fact, as you wrote it, by Crowley in the 20th century.
So it's a very new alteration - and IMO a very unnecessary.

Because as the Glass Wizard wrote "the only differences between the words are the ones created by yourself or accepted into your mind";
or as Asmodean:
"it doesnt matter the difference they are just labels tis the context and arrangement.
different words same meaning along with same words different meaning."

Magic is magic.
You think it's illusion? Ok.
You think it's about altering reality? Ok.

How do you spell it? /ˈmædʒɪk/
Who cares how you write it down?
Magic, magick, majik, maejjik, madjik, madjick, madjic, maedjick, mhaedjikk, etc...

"What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet."

Paths, traditions, dictionaries, masters, outcasts, literature, fiction, history, science, subcultures...

Labels, just labels.

They are different terms for different things for a reason. The adept uses magic, magick, and MAJIK. In the work and learning them they are very distinct from each other. Now, I disagree with hypnosis being included with magic, but it is. It is not part of magick or MAJIK. This is more because of where it all developed in history but the stones are formed. Hypnoses rightfully should be in its own category since the 'the man in purple', but I am not a child so I am going to study these things and accept them the way they are. The alternative does not lead one to a better understanding. The alternative leads those like you to reducing a great art to Micky Mouse in a pointy hat.

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I should also point out that Crowley did not do this on his own. He did it as head of GD when he was fairly young. It was an official act and as a result all schools branching from GD use what is today called magick. Theosophy and Fourth derivatives do not. Those Three trunks and the many branches are the only legitimate Western schools.

Now, this is critical... there is NO example of REAL magick anywhere that does not begin with an advanced comprehension of QBL.

[Zlogonje]

Umm. Sorry can you explain how any of this dribble is relevant to your off-topic and insulting post?

Quote:One last thing - we cause change according to WILL. This is the WILL of LOVE taught by the brotherhood of TRUECHRIST before the advent. The biggest mistake young Thelemites make is in thinking the phrase, Love is the Law, Do what thou Will, somehow means free-love and unabashed willfulness. We did not manage to get the message clear when we called all to Cali in 67. Love is a transcendent love in the New Testament code. It means something more than to become the thing identified with. Will is to be transcended in that same way and the essence of will discovered.

[riverwizard]

(08-23-2012 10:36 PM)Zlogonje Wrote:  Umm. Sorry can you explain how any of this dribble is relevant to your off-topic and insulting post?

Quote:One last thing - we cause change according to WILL. This is the WILL of LOVE taught by the brotherhood of TRUECHRIST before the advent. The biggest mistake young Thelemites make is in thinking the phrase, Love is the Law, Do what thou Will, somehow means free-love and unabashed willfulness. We did not manage to get the message clear when we called all to Cali in 67. Love is a transcendent love in the New Testament code. It means something more than to become the thing identified with. Will is to be transcended in that same way and the essence of will discovered.

Einstein is dribble to the stupid. That isn't an insult. It is simply true. All of that is exactly on topic if you know what magick is. Thelema is the school dedicated to Crowley's interpretation of magick. That fools interpretation of magick WILL is based on the secret teachings of the TRUECHRIST. Crowley claiming to be Antichrist is a bit of an inside joke. The brotherhood all the way back to Da Vinci knows Jesus is Antichrist and the TRUECHRIST father of all wizardry.

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This does bring up another point. Da Vinci is one of the true greats. This magick before Crowley was not in this arena. It existed only in the best of the arts. There were no witches. The tome Wicca is based on has been proven to be a fiction. The so called ancient magi were kings wise in the ways of the east - not actual practitioners. Crowley's stated greatest regret is that he was not an artist. In fact we are as good at magick as we are at our art. Art is the primary tool and it requires the ultimate in artistic skill to apply that with magick.

[JaySF]

Thanks so much for this post mate.

I really was really unsure about this until I read this.

Now I can understand when I read other posts with the words "magic" and "magick".

Thanks a lot mate!

[riverwizard]

It is because there is no such thing as magic or magick as you silly folks imagine (not including the more serious in this - but those goofy enough to think worshiping a negative is rebelling against worship) I use the term MAJIK to differentiate that which has been a practice for centuries among the great artists from that newer practice that arose from the release of the GD documents in the late eighteen hundreds. It is a practice strictly limited to those most obviously gifted. YOU CAN'T FAKE IT. Beethoven employed it to move the masses and to compose while deaf. Da Vinci was a master of it - as much as he was master of QBL. So was Dali. But, none can pretend to such genius.

[Callfar Stormweaver]

To the OP, thank you! I was thinking about putting something like this up myself, it's good to show the history of some words and phrases sometimes!

As or Riverwizard, learn about Wiccans and Witches, you're knowledge seems to be lacking somewhat.

[riverwizard]

The truth is many of you build these false notions of magick (or magic - hardly matters what it is called if not real) out of a failure to be effective in any creative way. When one is a successful musician or visual artist or able to move an audience with dramatic performance, the real thing becomes obvious without a name. Your fantasy versions arise because you have no art... no gift. I say gift because when these things are great they are never us, but bestowed somehow from something. Nothing is more occult than that umbilical between artist and genius.