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11-07-2016, 10:04 AM
Post: #11
I've already voted. But this is how I feel about the whole thing:

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[ ] Donald J. Trump
[ ] Hillary Rodham-Clinton
[x] Drinking heavily until this is all over
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11-07-2016, 10:52 AM
Post: #12
(11-07-2016 10:04 AM)fixerkitty Wrote:  I've already voted. But this is how I feel about the whole thing:

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[ ] Donald J. Trump
[ ] Hillary Rodham-Clinton
[x] Drinking heavily until this is all over



So u voted Trump then?
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11-07-2016, 11:25 AM
Post: #13
Hooray write-ins. And that's all I'll say.
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11-07-2016, 11:31 AM
Post: #14
I tend to disagree that the presidential election is a facade. There is a lot going on right now where the next US president will have a lot of sway. The main thing that I am concerned about is the opening on the US Supreme Court. If Clinton wins, she will appoint a US Supreme Court justice giving us a full 9 members seated again (there are currently only 8).

If we get a more left-leaning Supreme Court justice, then there is greater potential for progressive legislation. Of course it is not that simple or straightforward, but that is the main idea. Also, a lot of the policies Obama enacted were done through executive order. Trump could overturn them, and would, if he were elected into office.

I also find Trump's repeated promise to overturn Roe vs. Wade disturbing. I don't think women's access to healthcare should be a decision left to individual states.

Anyway, I do not claim to be an expert on politics. These are just some of my feelings on the current election as US citizen.

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11-07-2016, 02:03 PM
Post: #15
(11-07-2016 11:31 AM)xannie Wrote:  I tend to disagree that the presidential election is a facade. There is a lot going on right now where the next US president will have a lot of sway. The main thing that I am concerned about is the opening on the US Supreme Court. If Clinton wins, she will appoint a US Supreme Court justice giving us a full 9 members seated again (there are currently only 8).

If we get a more left-leaning Supreme Court justice, then there is greater potential for progressive legislation. Of course it is not that simple or straightforward, but that is the main idea. Also, a lot of the policies Obama enacted were done through executive order. Trump could overturn them, and would, if he were elected into office.

I also find Trump's repeated promise to overturn Roe vs. Wade disturbing. I don't think women's access to healthcare should be a decision left to individual states.

Anyway, I do not claim to be an expert on politics. These are just some of my feelings on the current election as US citizen.

A president can't overturn a Supreme Court decision. There are three ways:
1. If it's based on congressional law, the congress can simply change the law.
2. If it's based on an amendment, that amendment can be amended (again by Congress).
3. If the Supreme Court goes back and decides the original decision was wrong.

In none of those cases can Trump or any other president "overturn" a Supreme Court decision.
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11-07-2016, 03:32 PM (This post was last modified: 11-07-2016 03:35 PM by xannie.)
Post: #16
I think you are reading my post too literally. Trump is implying he would nominate a supreme court justice who would be willing to overturn the previous ruling. Further, what Trump could do is overturn previous executive actions Obama enacted during his presidency. (Note: these are two different things.)

There is a lot of documentation out there supporting both of these views. He also said it during at least one of the presidential debates.

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11-07-2016, 08:03 PM
Post: #17
(11-07-2016 11:31 AM)xannie Wrote:  I also find Trump's repeated promise to overturn Roe vs. Wade disturbing. I don't think women's access to healthcare should be a decision left to individual states.

Sacrificing unborn children to Moloch isn't "healthcare".

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11-07-2016, 08:22 PM
Post: #18
What about this FBI dropping the charges against Clinton ? Can it help her win or on the contrary flame the population against her ?

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11-07-2016, 08:37 PM
Post: #19
It depends. A lot of states have early voting, including AZ. I've already voted and a lot of other people have, too. Our votes are in and can't be changed.

For those going to the polls on Tuesday, who knows? I guess we'll wait and see what happens.
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11-08-2016, 02:02 AM (This post was last modified: 11-08-2016 02:05 AM by Gonzo the Old.)
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(11-07-2016 02:03 PM)TheGreatScott Wrote:  
(11-07-2016 11:31 AM)xannie Wrote:  I tend to disagree that the presidential election is a facade. There is a lot going on right now where the next US president will have a lot of sway. The main thing that I am concerned about is the opening on the US Supreme Court. If Clinton wins, she will appoint a US Supreme Court justice giving us a full 9 members seated again (there are currently only 8).

If we get a more left-leaning Supreme Court justice, then there is greater potential for progressive legislation. Of course it is not that simple or straightforward, but that is the main idea. Also, a lot of the policies Obama enacted were done through executive order. Trump could overturn them, and would, if he were elected into office.

I also find Trump's repeated promise to overturn Roe vs. Wade disturbing. I don't think women's access to healthcare should be a decision left to individual states.

Anyway, I do not claim to be an expert on politics. These are just some of my feelings on the current election as US citizen.

A president can't overturn a Supreme Court decision. There are three ways:
1. If it's based on congressional law, the congress can simply change the law.
2. If it's based on an amendment, that amendment can be amended (again by Congress).
3. If the Supreme Court goes back and decides the original decision was wrong.

In none of those cases can Trump or any other president "overturn" a Supreme Court decision.

A reporter allegedly asked Eisenhower if he made any mistakes. His reply was "Yes, and they are setting on the Supreme Court."

Conservative judges turn liberal and vice versa. It's a crap shoot.

As for Roe vs. Wade, I give it about as much chance of being repealed as I do of Richard Nixon being President. It's pure campaign BS and Trump knows it.
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