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Your ideas on socialism?
02-09-2016, 01:46 PM (This post was last modified: 02-09-2016 01:46 PM by magari.)
Post: #61
One of the ideas is that we trash the welfare systems we currently have to fund this minimum income but the result is a state where there is no incentive, people don't choose to innovate or educate themselves (America's "lazy" problem thats been around since the baby boomers, getting worse, I need to show you guys the article comparing Millenials to goldfish in terms of attention span. Goldfish 9 seconds, Millenial 8).

Anyways, they think this can be solved by tieing the minimum income to things like innovation or education. The argument is simple. People deserve compensation for being members of society (against my wishes, but its a valid argument) and those with higher potential deserve more of a safety net than those who don't have as much potential.

Just ideas in America right now, but Europe has always been the more liberal of the western nations.
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02-09-2016, 05:22 PM
Post: #62
@Mider: The thing is that people who work also "feed" people who are sick due to taxes and insurances. So if nothing else you want people who work to breed, that's why there are social benefits based on how many children you take care about.
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02-12-2016, 02:51 AM (This post was last modified: 02-12-2016 02:53 AM by amxha.)
Post: #63
Why are people blaming the poor management of bureaucracy in socialist infrastructure upon socialism itself?
There's a reason why these infrastructures are run poorly.
You ask yourself, why is more funding directed towards the military, its infrastructure, and its training in the United States compared to the piss poor funding for education, healthcare, and childcare in our country?
Then you have the nerve to place the blame on 'socialism' just because it is purposely choked of the resources needed for it to be ultimately successful.

This doesnt just occur in a vacuum. These situations do not pop up out of thin air. The socialist infrastructures of capitalistic countries are often in a great need of reform due to outdated or discriminatory policies that can be traced back to the calvinist mindsets favored by capitalist countries.

These governments throw all their money at military might, but once they no longer have use for you as a soldier, you're pretty much shat upon until the crises becomes visibly public enough to warrant some change or reform. And even then, those changes do not really address the several problems still in place.

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02-12-2016, 03:13 AM (This post was last modified: 02-12-2016 03:13 AM by Mider2009.)
Post: #64
I don't recall doing so.

But I agree that the money is misused.
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03-27-2016, 08:16 PM
Post: #65
(02-02-2016 10:12 PM)Mider2009 Wrote:  What are your opinions of socialism.

Everyone seems to want it and think it's the best thing. So I'm wishing to know everyone's thoughts.

Socialism was defined and coined by Karl Marxs. Socialism requires the collectivization of the workplace by the workers.
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03-28-2016, 02:16 AM
Post: #66
Not all the time.
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08-06-2016, 05:17 AM (This post was last modified: 08-06-2016 05:20 AM by Observer.)
Post: #67
(02-08-2016 03:50 AM)Mider2009 Wrote:  Often the money comes from high taxes. 50 percent of your income can be taxed.

And if it's anything like America I've heard most socialist services are pretty poorly managed. The criteria is odd from what I've seen.

I know people who are pretty damn sick who can't get unemployment, food stamps etc. Yet I know people who are healthy and get them.

I think sanders can bring positive change but a purely socialist America is eh to me. What needs to be done is make bankers, corporations, etc accountable.

Sanders was the last person you would want to touch bank operations. He displayed a clear misunderstanding the operations of banks. Even of ATMs...what they are and how they work. He doesn't understand the purpose of collateral and a secured loan and this is why his tax and education plan...however good spirited...was nonsensical. His campaign was fantastic in many ways...especially in the sense that he was intentionally vague to cover his lack of understanding and inability to redress the concerns he was raising.

It's beyond frightening that this political cycle saw severe castigation of taking reasonable steps to prevent the financial collapse of our entire country. We were not that far away from a whole new way of life that we wouldn't enjoy nearly as much as the one we currently do...banks would not lend each other money.

Regarding food stamps...I don't think people generally understand them. They result from our intentional subsidies directed towards food production as a critical industry we use to help control other countries through our exports. We produce so much food...there will always be left over that can't be sold internally/externally.

It's infuriating to see some states refuse to administer them in favor of letting food rot and people go hungry in order to score what they consider to be political points in their own favor.

That's absolutely disgusting.
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11-19-2016, 06:54 AM
Post: #68
Decent in theory, but has never been implemented successfully.

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11-23-2016, 01:52 PM
Post: #69
Facebook and twitter. A gateway to the future of "socialism networking."
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12-01-2016, 02:32 AM
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(02-09-2016 05:22 PM)Frater.Akenu Wrote:  @Mider: The thing is that people who work also "feed" people who are sick due to taxes and insurances. So if nothing else you want people who work to breed, that's why there are social benefits based on how many children you take care about.

Almost half the people who work pay zero federal taxes. A larger percent also get paid at tax time. Im not angered by it. I just wish I got paid too....lol.

I do like libraries.
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