The Almighty Lucifer

[Xenophon]

Then Lucifer wouldn't be Lucifer, because he would be void of his adversarial aspect.
Lucifer plays a big role on the totality and on our history. IMO, he is A god. A deity, more accurately. One God does not operate.
The One God is necessarily a wannabe. An egocentric, jealous amalgam of human egos. Lucifer reigns in his reign, Odin reigns in his own and so on. Honestly, monotheism just doesn't make sense to me. That's why I think Lucifer wouldn't pretend to be God. Because this God we're talking about is a pretender and an artificial one.
Damn, if Lucifer is the Monogod then call another dude "Lucifer", lol.

"The Lucifer that can be godded is not the real Lucifer"?

 

[Konsciencia]

Then Lucifer wouldn't be Lucifer, because he would be void of his adversarial aspect.
Lucifer plays a big role on the totality and on our history. IMO, he is A god. A deity, more accurately. One God does not operate.
The One God is necessarily a wannabe. An egocentric, jealous amalgam of human egos. Lucifer reigns in his reign, Odin reigns in his own and so on. Honestly, monotheism just doesn't make sense to me. That's why I think Lucifer wouldn't pretend to be God. Because this God we're talking about is a pretender and an artificial one.
Damn, if Lucifer is the Monogod then call another dude "Lucifer", lol

I Love Lucifer, despite of it all.

 

[JGVDRG]

"The Lucifer that can be godded is not the real Lucifer"?

No deity is the whole, no symbol resumes all symbology, that is my point.
YHVH also can't be God, because lack the aspects of his opposite and so on. All entities and deities claiming to be the One God are deceitful, and the doctrines that claim that so and so God is "The Only God" are either lying or very misleading. We couldn't fathom the Absolute.
IMHO, of course.

 

[Xenophon]

No deity is the whole, no symbol resumes all symbology, that is my point.
YHVH also can't be God, because lack the aspects of his opposite and so on. All entities and deities claiming to be the One God are deceitful, and the doctrines that claim that so and so God is "The Only God" are either lying or very misleading. We couldn't fathom the Absolute.
IMHO, of course.

I come at things from the angle that people who try to make a god of Lucifer (or worse, God) have the wrong end of the stick. Inversion of Adamic religions amounts to parasitism on those religions. Which is the besetting flaw of most revolutions: they replicate the evils they claimed to purge.

 

[JGVDRG]

Inversion of Adamic religions amounts to parasitism on those religions. Which is the besetting flaw of most revolutions: they replicate the evils they claimed to purge.

Yes, the ol' inversion of roles, triggering an infinite cycle of misunderstanding, hypocrisy and error.
Classic vice.

 

[Diluculo_DelFuego]

I noticed after a chat with Lucifer, on a one to one level, that my problems became less and less.
However, God, not so much.
And I wonder why.

 

[Konsciencia]

I noticed after a chat with Lucifer, on a one to one level, that my problems became less and less.
However, God, not so much.
And I wonder why.

Hhmmmmm!!!! I go with the fact, that The best Triumph the Devil has, is to persuade you that He/She does not exist.

 

[Mannimarco]

I come at things from the angle that people who try to make a god of Lucifer (or worse, God) have the wrong end of the stick. Inversion of Adamic religions amounts to parasitism on those religions

Agreed. This is my problem with most "western" religion and magick, it just seems like judaism with extra steps. Gnostisism, Satanism, qliphoth/sephiroth, etc, its all built on the genesis creation story.

As to the op, my own gnosis from when I was working with qliphothic entities is that lucifer is a fragment/aspect of hecate. She's the torchbearer, he's the light bringer, etc. They were all serial liars, but thats the story they gave me, for whatever it's worth.

 

[Blackrose00]

when you research the concept of God, you realize that Satan is not God

 

[JGVDRG]

They were all serial liars, but thats the story they gave me, for whatever it's worth.

How so? You're talking about your experience with the Qliphothic entities? In what point did you perceive they lied? If you will.

Interesting enough, eastern philosophy can be a good intermediate to integrate the western opposites. It's like we have all of the tools but our mentality is conditioned to never "glue" them together somehow.

 

[Xenophon]

How so? You're talking about your experience with the Qliphothic entities? In what point did you perceive they lied? If you will.

Interesting enough, eastern philosophy can be a good intermediate to integrate the western opposites. It's like we have all of the tools but our mentality is conditioned to never "glue" them together somehow.

What exactly is getting glued here? I'm not following.

 

[JGVDRG]

What exactly is getting glued here? I'm not following.

From what I've got from Jung's writings, the concept of enantiodromia was - although the term came from western philosophy - more likely to be contemplated through a perspective similar to Eastern spirituality. Because we get so many examples from certain Eastern traditions, the emergent opposite is not necessarily demonized.
So, what's to be glued? The opposite, the lacking, the shadow. The fourth element that's missing in the Holy Trinity, even the Unholy Trinity. "We", as westerners, are conditioned to see things through these lens, probably because a certain deploy of Hebraic tradition have, very quote unquote, "outshined" the common philosophical grounds we had in a point of history.
That is why it is so usual to imagine the end of times as a huge wicked bloody battle between opposites, the last standing of the Beast versus the forces of light, Gog and Magog. And very rarely seen as a Final Coniuctio, or the "Final Gluedown", for the sake of the cheesy analogy. The integration of many.