[Help] How do you enter trance state?

Beginner here.

I just started into demonology and I’ve been trying to invoke king Paimon, only to find out that I need to get into a trance state before I try to talk to any spirits.

How do I do that?
I looked up on google and it was only results of how to induce self hypnosis through trance, unless a trance state is hypnosis.

I’m also confused on supposedly you stand still, focus on your breathing, and that’s how you enter trance, I mean if it’s that simple?

but after entering trance what do you do? Do the spirits say hello to you or can you finally hear people in the astral realm?

do you speak to them using your mind?

Why do you need to enter a trance state? You can talk to spirits via other means of divination like cards, runes, etc

It's not as simple as getting into a trance state and BAM, you're in touch with spirits. I would build a foundation first. What authors and books are you studying? Don't just use WitchTok, WitchTwt and Witchblr (witchcraft tik tok, twitter and tumblr for the uninitiated lol) or YouTube or blogs. You should be reading as well. And not just modern authors either. Read older material if it fits inline with what you want to practice (not much in the way of modern demonology in older texts though). Once you get a firm foundation you can build on that to start getting in touch with spirits.

The God-King said:

It's not as simple as getting into a trance state and BAM, you're in touch with spirits. I would build a foundation first. What authors and books are you studying? Don't just use WitchTok, WitchTwt and Witchblr (witchcraft tik tok, twitter and tumblr for the uninitiated lol) or YouTube or blogs. You should be reading as well. And not just modern authors either. Read older material if it fits inline with what you want to practice (not much in the way of modern demonology in older texts though). Once you get a firm foundation you can build on that to start getting in touch with spirits.

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I’ve been recommended a lot about S. Connolly book of demonolatry, but they just tell me to buy a lot of stuff (knives offerings) before doing a ritual, it came confusing to me.
I’m not the reading type as I do not like reading and most of the stuff I read didn’t stick.
I’ve been semi-following this guy called D.H Thorne on YouTube but he doesn’t give much tutorials other than I have to figure it out myself.
and tried looking at his book maelstrom but it’s a little confusing still.

I don’t know if you have better recommendations either books or videos. I don’t touch any social media besides YouTube and reddit which I only go to r/demonolatry . Which they tell me to read that book but uh having difficulties grasping it.

So i don’t know what you mean by creating a foundation if this is simple to do or not or does it take years before accomplishing?

Mider2009 said:

Why do you need to enter a trance state? You can talk to spirits via other means of divination like cards, runes, etc

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I don’t know know how to use tarot’s, nor I own any of that stuff nor what runes are.
though I would prefer a more direct way of talking

Mider2009 said:

Why do you need to enter a trance state? You can talk to spirits via other means of divination like cards, runes, etc

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Yes another practitioner recommended that i use Eliphas Levy drawing card technique for yes and no, i feel for using a scrying mirror (triangle of art with black mirror inside) to see the spirit, but we will see how it goes for next waxing moon.

Adding to what the God-King said: read some older authors as well. New and popular occultists have learned their stuff somewhere. In their development they have figured out shortcuts or determined parts as unnecessary, but that doesn't mean it works like that for everyone.

I have an analogy in my head about a seasoned skateboarder that's not wearing kneepads versus a new enthousiast who keeps falling and bruising because he never saw someone wear kneepads

As for a trance state: relax and become comfortable. Your anxiety and/or eagerness + expectations are what's keeping you from getting there.
Start doing rituals on a regular basis, make short meditations a daily thing.
Light a candle, maybe pick a tarot card etc. Become comfortable.

William666 said:

Yes another practitioner recommended that i use Eliphas Levy drawing card technique for yes and no, i feel for using a scrying mirror (triangle of art with black mirror inside) to see the spirit, but we will see how it goes for next waxing moon.

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I just think trace states are hard to achieve, I’ve never been in one

Yazata said:

Adding to what the God-King said: read some older authors as well. New and popular occultists have learned their stuff somewhere. In their development they have figured out shortcuts or determined parts as unnecessary, but that doesn't mean it works like that for everyone.

I have an analogy in my head about a seasoned skateboarder that's not wearing kneepads versus a new enthousiast who keeps falling and bruising because he never saw someone wear kneepads

As for a trance state: relax and become comfortable. Your anxiety and/or eagerness + expectations are what's keeping you from getting there.
Start doing rituals on a regular basis, make short meditations a daily thing.
Light a candle, maybe pick a tarot card etc. Become comfortable.

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Well I’m not sure what books to read as I said above,
and even if there’s different paths there’s gotta be some sort of universal foundations to get there. And I’m not even sure what you mean by different paths.
Again I’m very new to this like I know no people, no master, no grasp of basic demonolatry.
I’m basically walking blind at some points.

and again not sure what you mean by development I think you’re assuming I know some stuff you do or anything, but it comes to me as ambiguous in my perspective.

and to go by your analogy I have yet to see someone with kneepads, but they only talk about wearing knee pads, and go further as to say to wear protection without specifying the important body parts to protect.
do I just wear a helmet? or do I need to get a different type of gear?

well I’m not seeing the end goal I’m supposed to reach, I get there may not be a goal but im not even sure where to wonder.

And now you told me how to get in a trance state but im not sure what to do after that but I’m not even sure the signs of entering trance(google didn’t help just gave me hypno how to stuff).
but im assuming since I have to practice this it’s gonna take a long time? Im not sure why I have to do it daily if it’s either for building up willpower or etc. I would rather not wait a long time before I can actually do this.
I also heard that spirits do appear but I’m unable to sense them. If I could build that sense I would rather do that ASAP.

I heard meditation is foundation I haven’t heard what it will do after you master meditation.

I also have difficulties reading, I’m not sure about others but I have a hard time taking interest on everything that is said (S. Connolly book demonolatry, supposedly answers all my questions but gave me more questions to ask).

What I mean is that ceremonial magic has a structure with cleansings, prayers, banishings etc before the invocation / evocation.
The style of Magic you mention has removed much of that. Maybe because they don't agree with it, or because they think their readers already know that.

Trance is a very deep relaxation. If you are not relaxed for whatever reason, it is hard to go in trance.
If you get into the habit of making Magick a daily part of your life, you will get more at ease and comfortable as well.

And for a helm: learn a banishing ritual like the LBRP and make that a part of your daily routine as well. It can't hurt.

Probably not what you want to hear

For your urgent needs, I would suggest Demons of Magick by Gordon Winterfield. The book is much praised in many forums. What Gallery of Magick offers is a very practical and approachable magick. If you search Google you may find too much positive feedback.

Please read the whole book and understand it well and then proceed.

Furthermore, what has been said by members is mostly true. To inject magick successfully to your life, you need a very good foundation. I may suggest two books, to begin with.

by Three initiates
Modern Magick by D. M Kraig

These two books will help you from the beginning. One for the philosophy the other to have a broader perspective of what members say mostly.

Meditation is a must, imho It not just helps you in ending mind chatter (something important in magick) but is useful in developing your psychic senses alongside many more benefits. You may learn self-hypnosis too, as it will help to deepen your meditation.

Though DoM is a self-sufficient system, you need to learn more and more to hone your abilities Do not be surprised by that, but things will take time. I may show you how to shoot with a sniper rifle in five minutes (or less) but to hit targets may take time.

Go step by step. Make more attainable easier wishes ( closer targets) then go for bigger ones.

You need to learn protection, grounding, energy raising....etc. You do not need to hear demons, you may toss even coins, the easiest way .Try 3 times for every question while you learn Tarot and pendulum.. While developing your meditation skill, you may deal with your chakras, this will help with your psychic powers.

Btw, If you need only one thing from King Paimon you do not need to spend that much time. Get help from a professional, God-King for example.

However, if you want to understand more and get help from spirits often, yes you have to invest in yourself.

That site may help too at least to have an idea of the path.


Good luck

Brixgh said:

For your urgent needs, I would suggest Demons of Magick by Gordon Winterfield. The book is much praised in many forums. What Gallery of Magick offers is a very practical and approachable magick. If you search Google you may find too much positive feedback.

Please read the whole book and understand it well and then proceed.

Furthermore, what has been said by members is mostly true. To inject magick successfully to your life, you need a very good foundation. I may suggest two books, to begin with.

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by Three initiates
Modern Magick by D. M Kraig

These two books will help you from the beginning. One for the philosophy the other to have a broader perspective of what members say mostly.

Meditation is a must, imho It not just helps you in ending mind chatter (something important in magick) but is useful in developing your psychic senses alongside many more benefits. You may learn self-hypnosis too, as it will help to deepen your meditation.

Though DoM is a self-sufficient system, you need to learn more and more to hone your abilities Do not be surprised by that, but things will take time. I may show you how to shoot with a sniper rifle in five minutes (or less) but to hit targets may take time.

Go step by step. Make more attainable easier wishes ( closer targets) then go for bigger ones.

You need to learn protection, grounding, energy raising....etc. You do not need to hear demons, you may toss even coins, the easiest way .Try 3 times for every question while you learn Tarot and pendulum.. While developing your meditation skill, you may deal with your chakras, this will help with your psychic powers.

Btw, If you need only one thing from King Paimon you do not need to spend that much time. Get help from a professional, God-King for example.

However, if you want to understand more and get help from spirits often, yes you have to invest in yourself.

That site may help too at least to have an idea of the path.

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Good luck

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Well I didn’t know I needed to do that much before I can invoke a demon.
I was looking to do this because I thought it would be easier than astral projecting.

since you can meet them in the astral realm but for personal issues I couldn’t do that and was seeking help/advice but I guess it looks equally if not harder to do this.
In AP you just need to get in sleep paralysis but here you need an entire foundation I guess.
Not sure how long it will take, AP it’s said takes 3 days if it wasn’t for personal issues woulda done it already.
it kinda sucks the only way to do this is through meditation which it really bores me outta my mind but I guess I have to build this up with that only method.
Well since I’m not in a normal state it’s gonna be harder focusing, and no therapy or anything else won’t help (meditation did the opposite of help) I would have done so if that was the case.

I do get mind chatter a lot, usually I guess it’s only me talking but I had some people trying to tell me it’s not and I would rather not get dissociative personality disorder or something.

but I’ll try reading that book not sure about the course but I’ll try to look into this.

much obliged anyway

Brixgh said:

For your urgent needs, I would suggest Demons of Magick by Gordon Winterfield. The book is much praised in many forums. What Gallery of Magick offers is a very practical and approachable magick. If you search Google you may find too much positive feedback.

Please read the whole book and understand it well and then proceed.

Furthermore, what has been said by members is mostly true. To inject magick successfully to your life, you need a very good foundation. I may suggest two books, to begin with.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

by Three initiates
Modern Magick by D. M Kraig

These two books will help you from the beginning. One for the philosophy the other to have a broader perspective of what members say mostly.

Meditation is a must, imho It not just helps you in ending mind chatter (something important in magick) but is useful in developing your psychic senses alongside many more benefits. You may learn self-hypnosis too, as it will help to deepen your meditation.

Though DoM is a self-sufficient system, you need to learn more and more to hone your abilities Do not be surprised by that, but things will take time. I may show you how to shoot with a sniper rifle in five minutes (or less) but to hit targets may take time.

Go step by step. Make more attainable easier wishes ( closer targets) then go for bigger ones.

You need to learn protection, grounding, energy raising....etc. You do not need to hear demons, you may toss even coins, the easiest way .Try 3 times for every question while you learn Tarot and pendulum.. While developing your meditation skill, you may deal with your chakras, this will help with your psychic powers.

Btw, If you need only one thing from King Paimon you do not need to spend that much time. Get help from a professional, God-King for example.

However, if you want to understand more and get help from spirits often, yes you have to invest in yourself.

That site may help too at least to have an idea of the path.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Good luck

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Oh yeah and I’ve read that demons of magick book, though most stuff was confusing (again not good with reading) so if there’s any highlights important to start? I read a couple of pages but I can’t describe what they were, maybe the wording is a little confusing, but I’ll try reading it again.

Like what everyone said, get a firm foundation first. The only insight I can share from my own practice is this.

The relationship with an entity starts even before you try to evoke. The planning, the research it all comes into play in preparation for the actual ceremony.

These entities exist outside our concept of time so to them seeing you prep days, weeks, months ahead of the ceremony proper helps create a better relationship.

Even with grimoire tradition, the act of ceremony, the respect given to the tools of the art they are in place to show reverence to process as well as the entity you are trying to connect with.

That being said, good luck my friend.

Some people/cultures spend their entire lives training and practicing for the sole purpose of achieving deep trance. You are not going to read a post on a website and go to bed that night and enter a trance. It takes incredible willpower, self-control and technique.

If you don't know anything, work on learning. There are book recommendations, if you aren't good with reading, try to find them as audiobooks or something. Do more. No one can teach you anything if you don't have the prerequisite knowledge. And that takes time and effort on your part to reach that level. We can't spoonfeed you both the general/prerequisite knowledge as well as the exact answer to your question in the OP in some easy to digest single-paragraph answer like "weeoooowwww open widddeeee here comes the airplaneee". Understand that what you seek is at the end of a long journey that you must embark on by yourself, and we are just one (or a few) of the little villages you stop by on the way. You're going to need to learn a lot, and practice a lot. And that learning is going to take time and effort. You will have to read some books because that's how knowledge has been passed down for most of human history. You're not going to find a 15 second tik tok video of any worth or accuracy on nearly any magickal topic, let alone something as deep, personal and time consuming as entering a trance at will. And if you do: it's bullshit.

You say you have no knowledge, no experience, and that you have read books but don't find them useful because you are "not good with reading"? Well then, here's a solution for you: Sell your house, car and all material posessions, and book a flight to Tibet, once you arrive, burn and throw away your passport, money, and any remaning material possessions. Walk 50km to an isolated temple, and ask them to take you in, and teach you how to meditate and enter trance-like states. If you live for 30 more years, you might have some chance of entering a trance before you die.

Or take DMT.

That’s why I said use cards

SkullTraill said:

Some people/cultures spend their entire lives training and practicing for the sole purpose of achieving deep trance. You are not going to read a post on a website and go to bed that night and enter a trance. It takes incredible willpower, self-control and technique.

If you don't know anything, work on learning. There are book recommendations, if you aren't good with reading, try to find them as audiobooks or something. Do more. No one can teach you anything if you don't have the prerequisite knowledge. And that takes time and effort on your part to reach that level. We can't spoonfeed you both the general/prerequisite knowledge as well as the exact answer to your question in the OP in some easy to digest single-paragraph answer like "weeoooowwww open widddeeee here comes the airplaneee". Understand that what you seek is at the end of a long journey that you must embark on by yourself, and we are just one (or a few) of the little villages you stop by on the way. You're going to need to learn a lot, and practice a lot. And that learning is going to take time and effort. You will have to read some books because that's how knowledge has been passed down for most of human history. You're not going to find a 15 second tik tok video of any worth or accuracy on nearly any magickal topic, let alone something as deep, personal and time consuming as entering a trance at will. And if you do: it's bullshit.

You say you have no knowledge, no experience, and that you have read books but don't find them useful because you are "not good with reading"? Well then, here's a solution for you: Sell your house, car and all material posessions, and book a flight to Tibet, once you arrive, burn and throw away your passport, money, and any remaning material possessions. Walk 50km to an isolated temple, and ask them to take you in, and teach you how to meditate and enter trance-like states. If you live for 30 more years, you might have some chance of entering a trance before you die.

Or take DMT.

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Not sure what’s the obsession with tik tok here, I’ve never use that, but I wasn’t saying exactly useful, I just didn’t get it. Books are not my thing and videos are easier.
It just nothing memorable sticks like they talk about nothing or just talk about giving warnings or just broad answers like you gotta meditate or you gotta set up a foundation, despite not knowing what that even means? Mthey don’t go into detail nor I can ask them.
well despite books being passed down I thought people who read it could talk what it was about, since it’s a lot of words compressed that goe from talking about how to invoke to the one time in middle school they saw some shadow figures and were hardcore goths or along those lines
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I’m guessing there’s no tldr or simple way to explain it, I get that but I don’t know what books to read, someone did state some books here to read now, but most answers were to find books (I got them on Reddit too s Connolly apparently the bread and butter of demonolatry).
Like it’s known there’s a lot of fraud books on spirits and demonology and to even know they are fraud books is I gotta READ them till halfway to realize it’s a fraud which is exhausting.

I’m not asking to be spoon fed I just get a lot of broad answers, I’m told to go meditate this or that but for what learning of what?
Patience and willpower or self control sounds like everyday stuff. I expect like a follow up to those suggestions since there’s other ways to do that (sounds more like life advice than magick).
there’s gotta be steps here atleast, telling me to meditate is nowhere as most of my life I have done it and I get nothing at all. All I get is silence and it really sounds ridiculous how meditation is the foundation of all of magick, etc, despite me doing it all times and get nothing , as most people do it for relaxation, but I still give it a try.

I was just looking for a goal to work towards to since I feel I’m meandering blindly most of the time I’m meditating or chanting enns.

Well I thought if I asked I could get more understandable answers but I guess I should have done it alone from the start.

Mider2009 said:

That’s why I said use cards

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I’ll get some solitaire cards and a tutorial on them

Rediscov said:

to even know they are fraud books is I gotta READ them till halfway to realize it’s a fraud which is exhausting.

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May I ask which books are 'fraud' given to you hereby members - and please who says so if it's not you're own opinion.?

You do not want to follow any advice unless it's very very short. Members mostly do not share such shortcuts not because they may not, but it may not be efficient (at least , not sustainable in terms of success) or sometimes even unsafe.

btw S. Connoly is great too and she also has vids on YT. (if that may help)

Follow your own heart, do as you please.

Brixgh said:

May I ask which books are 'fraud' given to you hereby members - and please who says so if it's not you're own opinion.?

You do not want to follow any advice unless it's very very short. Members mostly do not share such shortcuts not because they may not, but it may not be efficient (at least , not sustainable in terms of success) or sometimes even unsafe.

btw S. Connoly is great too and she also has vids on YT. (if that may help)

Follow your own heart, do as you please.

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I didn’t know she had a channel I’ll see that, what I mean by fraud is I’ve met a lot of scammers who claimed to be “spiritual”, is just in general occult stuff doesn’t get a good reputation, where I grew up a lot of people know those who did tarot cards were scam artists and tried to sell you books that didn’t do anything.

most usually spiritual stuff doesn’t get a good reputation,
I even met some people who turned out to be deeply religious instead of spiritual (they did not have an open mind at all) that they deeply wanted to convince me karma is real and I should “believe it”,
like the invisible police would come after me if I ever do wrong which is wishful thinking.

Any way, you know what I mean bad rep with this stuff usually. I forgot what name of the books were just wasn’t worth remembering.
doesn’t mean I’ll stop trying to do this, but man a lot of social rejects I encounter is tiring.

Also reading Demons of magick a lot of the sentences are mushed together into a wall of text so it’s harder to read