I am interested in how people are validating actual spiritual contact from internal creative thinking.
Ones that I am applying include trying not to speak first, receiving information you didn't previously know and couldn't have read or been told before, and asking them to swear on the name of their highest authority that they are who they say they are.
As I progress in this practice I seem to come across more and more folk that have these incredible engagements and discussions with all sorts of entities without any real ritual or raising of energy to support manifestation. I wonder how many of these people are just happily talking to themselves in their self created delusions or whether there are actually lots of people who just have incredible clairaudience skills. I have good contact, but it doesn't just happen so casually for me.
Clairaudience comes with practice - a lot of practice. Meditate, learn to silence your thoughts for at least 10 seconds. The message from the spirit comes in these few seconds when you have completely stilled your mind. As you evoke more and more and evolve in your spirituality, the telepathic voice you hear in your head will become more audible, louder, and clearer.
Hey Calin! I agree with the points you mentioned and I still struggle a bit with this from time to time.
My take on it is, aside from learning things you do not know, I do on occasion get some physical activity during workings. My body literally feels energy, sometimes warm, sometimes, cold and electric. But it is a genuinely physical sensation and happens when I ask the entity I am speaking with to make me feel their presence.
The latest experience I had was with King Belial. My friend and I both experienced our heads being lowered down to bow. Like a soft pressure was pushing it down while pulling on our tongues and holding our cheeks. It was a very validating experience.
Heya Calvin! :D It didn't happen for me for a loooong time, like it took me till this year to get reliable contact and I've been practicing a long time. In my experience, it's best to reach a fairly practiced trance state. I used hypnosis to get very good, and started slipping into decent trances in bed before sleep. I reckon that if there's any question in your mind about whether a voice is you or something else then it's probably you. There's a really distinct difference between something that's coming into your head from outside and something being made up by yourself, and the calmer and deeper you are in trance the easier it is to both receive messages and discern their reality. I would still recommend caution and always have your protective magics topped up if you're going to be calling into the void. I also recommend knowing who you want to talk to and building a sort of casual relationship with them so that you're comfortable with them first, it'll make everything else easier and less spooky :p
I agree and good advice on protection and cleansing work. I do a lot of necromancy work, so this is essential. I never made solid contact either until I learnt deep trance. I really wanted to get people to think about their contacts with this thread, to avoid the easy traps of self delusion through wanting contact so much that the brain steps in and creates it. Spooky - meh bring it :D
You are right. Self Delusion and expectations during a working completely ruin the results. During my meditations and workings I find the best results are when I learn to completely surrender to the moment by focusing only on my breathing.
You are also right about energy requirement. I tried foolhardily to do a working with the 9 Goetic Kings Yesterday at the same time and it was so wonky. I couldn't make sense of most of the conversations we were having altho I did feel their energies. I had to resort to verifying it through my tarot deck after the fact. I really need to develop myself more before doing that again.
I disagree with everyone. I think most 'perceived' spiritual contact is self originated.
Not 'all', but if you're eager to believe everything you imagine, you're going to end up believing a lot of imaginative stuff.
Did it ever say something completely unexpected and/or incongruous with your understanding of things? If not, it's probably just you. I don't mean things you dislike, parts of your preconcious dislike you. I mean things which make you do a double take and think "wtf?". Interactions with actual other sentient minds always involve this sensation periodically. If yours don't, then...
Real results take time and repetition. Also, people need to slow down and not rush through ceremonies. Spirits are always willing to talk, especially in natural areas. It helps to ply them with some simple offerings like honey or rum. Then just sit quietly. Turn off the cellphone, don't worry about how much time will pass. Just wait. If nothing sometimes talking slowly and allowing the spirits a chance to respond also works. Some people are more gifted than others, but as far as I can tell almost anyone can hear and speak to spirits.