Here's fine i imagine, hehe. unless maybe the topic is energy work while nekkid or something :P
Started working with energy (consciously and more seriously) in 2001. Although really I can't think of a time when i wasn't on some level. I don't have a brand ideology exactly, at least no published one. Not to be confused with a lack of practice/study/etc. Just, I might reference any ideological framework/discipline to convey an idea, or maybe even a movie, hehe. A lot of what I think or have done or do is novel in approach.
Discussing things is tricky at times, a lot of times. The more you explore on your own, the more you run into frame of reference, common-ground, & terminology problems. You end up having to define ideas in order to define terms, which in turn describe an idea, which serves as the basis for an idea yet again removed.
I guess you could say my start was with psi vamp stuff, but the core of what i explore really evolved into something more like tantrik HGA work. Which kinda branches into ideas which I'm not sure how to discuss. Which probably paints a lurid or strange impression, unless you know a fair amount about what tantra & HGA actually are.
Some 17 or 18 years ago i had a website on shielding, which was considered the best on the topic. I just picked a single topic and extrapolated on it exhaustively. Originally I imagined it as part of a large body of specific topic explorations, but it proved to be quite a lot of work to make an extremely detailed and complete presentation of just the one topic. I haven't actually used shielding in a very very long time though. I just kinda grew away from it as an approach. The underlying concept kinda falls apart in other levels of, uh... lets call it meta.
I've been a bit distant to the community. But I kinda miss discussing interesting things.
What'd you want to discuss? I mean, "energy work", yeah. But, that's a thousand amorphous threads of thought to pick from. Anything particularly?
Hmm, maybe i should take more initiative. Ok, I'm garbage at healing or TK. And I'm not completely sure why, other than they don't fascinate me as much as some topics. But I like to think i can do things without it being a central focus.
You have much more experience than I do with things of a tantric/sex magik nature. I can say that much just knowing myself, without knowing anything further about you.
My own genesis of work started in 2009, and has prospered in the 11 years since. Though, like you, the fundmentals are something I've been neglecting in recent years. I too lack a reference in one specific discipline, but have been doing my part to analyze, intuit, and adapt. Anything you reference, I can either identify with, understand intuitively, or research, so don't worry about that. Use movies or even games if you feel the need, I won't laugh.
Hell, I've spoken with someone who thought the contents of Alice in Wonderland and the Persona games were designed by a higher being and sourced from a deep occult truth.
I was trained by a psi vamp as well, though I wouldn't have described myself as one. I drew from my own energy and from this and other spheres, rather than draining others. The whole concept of "life force" is nebulous at best, so I didn't want to interfere with how it worked in others for the sake of fuel. My work began on the basest fundamentals of sensing with one's mind, that which one cannot easily "see" with the five senses. It was described as "energy," but I shy away from that term because of its confusing relation to physics. What I purport to control is not a force that achieves "work" in a physical sense; it is a subtler and more insidious influence. From those roots, I developed a working relationship with shielding like you have, learned to construct psychic/envisioned objects from those wards, and even developed a means to combat entities that had less than beneficial intent. More on that later.
From a different teacher, though closely related to the concept of vampirism, I learned a method for entering into the mindscape of others, observing and interpreting the contents, and even learning to manipulate them to a limited extent.
I have achieved deep meditative states and nudged my way into the most superficial use of what some call Siddhis -- including but not limited to telepathy.
I would welcome discussion of any of the things I've just described, but I do also have some questions.
Rather than ask you how you use shielding, because I realize the folly in that, I wanted to ask for clarification on what you meant by "the underlying concept...falls apart in other levels of...meta." Aside from that, I would ask if by "TK" you mean telekinesis, and if so, what your experience with yourself/others using that has been. I myself have not witnessed true use of that ability.
I have also gotten into healing, mainly through the bridge of empathy and massage training. "Faith" or willpower-based healing has not worked well for me, without some kind of bridging structure.
I also wanted to thank you for getting in touch with me and continuing this discussion! I so rarely get to talk about this kind of stuff.
I'm going to need to make multiple replies in this thread! All interesting stuff.
Regarding tantra, it's an enlightenment path, a veda, rather than a spooky sex magic thing. Probably the 2 core concepts are: that asceticism (self denial) as an approach to overcoming the influence of desire related to ego... is often less helpful than you'd think. Sometimes you need to do things, to demystify them, and remove them from a sort of pre-conscious pedestal, which self denial can unintentionally put them on. So tantra has ritual taboo breaking. Sort of rub your face in the basal self, so that you understand it better, and in understanding it better, are better equipped to grow beyond.
and the idea of engaging with deity on a amorous level. there's a sort of co-mingling of ...i guess i'll use the term vibration, or energy signature, which depending on the entity you're mingling with, can be profoundly informative, vis a vis enlightenment. _
I would definitely describe much of my lifetime as in the psi vamp camp. (and I'm defining it as sort of pulling external flows through the self as a modus operandi, not the new age 'annoying person' definition) For a loooong time, unaware of it. Which causes uncontrolled empathy, which in turn causes social anxiety. It's my feeling that 'energy' (agree with you it's not quite the right term), flows between things all the time. So it's not so much a robbery, energy goes in and out and between people and other things constantly. I'd think of myself as just having more just a sort of externally focused flow system. I do think it makes for being an energy channeling natural adept though.
I agree physical effects with energy work seem rare at best. But that still leaves a large swath of reality where it's potent.
I initially got into shielding, conceptually, as a manner of getting uncontrolled rampant empathy under control. In so doing it kinda opened my eyes to a whole subtext of interacting with others. It wasn't long before I was trying to refine ways of filtering instead of blocking. And then finding ways to kinda quarantine sub-sections of my energy body with conscious control, so that I could 'feel' without gloves, yet still control how that affected me.
I also got into shielding, in a variety of forms, as a sort of 'conflict' discipline. It works great most of the time. But ultimately, well, what I meant earlier by "meta" is that all points in the multiverse are directly related to all other points. Separateness and union are more... states of mind, rather than actual concrete principals.
I find that as of... oh 2005~ish, I could bypass energetic barriers as though they aren't even there. And how drastically reinforced they were didn't really matter. And tolerate warding effects with ease since if you control thoroughly the flow between sensation, between a bit of self overlapping external energies, and that energy actually influencing your core, it has as little or as much effect as you choose. So by that point I kinda got away from shielding/warding, since I figured if shielding/warding no longer meant much to my own abilities, then I'd be unlikely to need it versus anything else. Useful, but personally obsolete basically. Even for "spiritual conflict resolution" type stuff, I can think of 2 different approaches which are just uh... "indiana jones vs. the sword juggling bad guy", in comparison.
And Siddhis! me too definitely. About half of the list. I find those don't come from pursuing them, but only as a purely incidental side effect of spiritually evolving.
Regarding teachers, I've learned from many people, somewhat more non people, an awful lot of books, essays, etc. so many paths, plus always scouring knowledge of psychology, cognition science, theoretical physics, anthropology, sociology, long dead historical paradigms, etc. But I did have one central teacher, from right at the start of exploring all this. To avoid any specific path terminology (cuz I think she could be described through several different paradigms, none of them exactly right or un-right), I would describe her as the being at the intersection of the finite self, and the infinite.
Now a 'spirit guide' or 'deity', etc. tends to imply a sort of abstract, maybe-kinda-sorta connection, just a feeling here or there, some symbolism there, no hard answers, hard to understand really, that sort of thing. That's NOT her. Instead she's explicit and direct. She only talks about what she feels like talking about. But when she does, she doesn't fuck around with riddles or symbolism or vaguery. She might say "you don't know enough to understand the answer to that", but if so, it's not a flowery platitude, it's a plain statement of fact (as time has proven for me over and over). Granted, she rarely used a phonetic style for conveying thoughts. She considers the idea of faith to be intellectually dumb, so (having no desire for a student who doesn't know if they're imagining things, nor a student who's inclined to just believe 'whatever' without knowledge) evidence of her not being a figment of my imagination was provided on an 'as needed' basis, with little restraint.
I interacted with her in a teacher-student relationship for a few weeks over 7 years (summer 2001-2008). There were (are) numerous other facets of relationship though. Her influence makes me sound way smarter than i am.
Oh, just wanted to interject that I'm also very into inter-mind stuff. Arguably my strong suit.
TK: yeah, telekinesis/psychokinesis. I've seen it work 3 times in my life. All pretty subtle, but not so subtle as to be easily dismissed. I believe I caused all 3, but I can't say for sure, because I don't know 'how' it works. So I can't really even say it was me that did it for certain. I can only say that all 3 were in the midst of a very heightened emotional state on my part, and all 3 were when I was young. I've tried a variety of ways of doing it on purpose, nothing worked for me thus far. It's not something I obsess over, not really "path relevant". More a curious side hobby which bears me no fruit.
Healing... I've seen it, during a timeframe where I had enough experience to 'sense' it's unseen working. I've felt it directly on myself, while paying close attention to what i was sensing. It's pretty cool, but I didn't learn how to 'do' it. I've only seen glaring examples of it a few times though, so it's kinda like the TK thing. Also saw (felt) the opposite of healing, once. Don't know how to do that either, but I do have some clue by experiencing it.
Kinda related, but something I CAN actually do, is uh... i guess i'd call it 'physical reinforcement' as a general grouping. Basically pushing the body in some way beyond it's normal limitations. Physical strength at about 2 to 2.5 times normal maximum, generating abnormal amounts of body heat, intensified focus creating the 'relative impression' of slow motion, on/off pain sensation, moving goosebumps around to different parts of the body, stuff like that. It all definitely has an adrenaline component, directed through will/focus. Kinda berserkergang-related stuff.
I get your vibe on the 'bridging structure' thing. like i said before, i don't think any 2 points in the multiverse are actually separate, but focus brings that connection into uh... "an experience of relative nearness" lets call it, so that you can interact. Touch, eye contact, physical proximity, real-time communication over distance, or previous knowledge of the subject's energy signature... I think you need at least one of these to pick the needle out of the haystack to interact with it.
anyway, sorry i didn't reply right away, lots of stuff going on offline hehe.
Isolation is an unpleasant side effect of shielding ya. I was more talking about how if you know how, you can just kinda side-step it anyway, so it's usefulness is limited to the expertise of whatever you're trying to shield out. It can be a useful tool though. Sometimes simple is good.
I believe I see what you're saying now. Thank you.
In response, I would say that it depends what level you are shielding yourself on. The physical level is itself a shield to higher levels, but not a perfect one. In RPG terms, it would be more like damage reduction. And the physical level must be protected from physical threats, internal and external. Most forms of shielding offer no support in that.
On the conscious/sensory level, one can create a smokescreen of sensory chaff, which reacts to incoming signals by generating increasing volumes of like chaff. Essentially, baffling the enemy's attempt by reflecting back only what they have sent, magnified. This is not protective against the psychic level and higher, but does not block helpful intelligences on that level either.
On the sentient/psychic level, what is sensed or felt matters little in comparison to what is thought or experienced emotionally. To shield yourself on this level does in fact behave as you're describing. With the added effect of starving your mind, like a plant blocked from sunlight. That is why care must be taken to use reactive shielding, and not just keep up maximum protection at all times.
On the vital level, we are all permanently connected and thus unshieldable. Indefensible. To cut oneself off from life is to see this body die, and your vital essence redistributed within nature. However, there are ways to combat those who use this connection against you.
On the intuitive/communicative level, we are all subject to the debris of our own actions, and the actions of our peers and those long before us. Like our planet and its exosphere, there is a growing field of trash we must reckon with. Without practiced gifts of an enlightened soul, there is no liberation from Karma.
Mostly when I find a dark entity interfering with a human that entity has a supervisor that drives it on. Often the entity is more afraid of its supervisor than it is of me. And the supervisor in its turn may be more afraid of its supervisor.
Some supervisors operate beyond the level of human souls and you need to be well skilled and well protected by a higher entity before taking them on.
One time I was looking at a dark entity, thinking that it could not damage me. I held out my arm and said: bite this. It did and it hurt a lot, and the arm was still not quite right a month later. I was more careful after that.
If the entity is more fearful of you than its supervisor it will normally obey the command: show me your light. This changes its polarity towards neutral and the entity normal desists from adverse actions.
Some entities are artificial and have no light at all. They do not respond to that command.
I can say, that 'unfriendlies' come in a wide range of power and skill variety. It's one thing to rough up some nightmare inducing bottom feeder, but quite another to pick a fight with something very big and very smart.
It's possible to be harmed, directly, physically, potentially even killed. I got some fun hospital bills from being too overconfident and brazen.
Frankly being physically harmed was much less injurious than the blow to my confidence though. I did not allow myself to "recover from it" confidence wise. If I was not as skilled as I thought, I figured I needed to know that. I have extended my own skill substantially since then though, so by way of a logical basis, I'm feeling pretty confident again.
A lot of interesting content here. While I have no direct refutation at this moment, what level is it you're referring to as "beyond the human soul"? What is the level comprised of? What are its fundamental behaviors?
First of all, what do you qualify as astral, distinguishing it from gaseous and aetheric?
Second, I don't adhere to the Christian concept of the soul, so that creates a sense of conflict between our views. Not that I'm saying you're wrong, so much as I cannot determine the validity or factual nature of your perspective when I do not see souls in that framework. Though not exactly, I see things more in terms of the Egyptian concept. Not sure how the Kabbalistic one relates to either one.
What are you referring to as a "dark" entity, and what are the alternatives to involutionary?
In my framework, your "solid," "liquid," and "gas" planes are loosely comparable to my "physical," "conscious," and "vital."
What is an aetheric subplane, and what differences are there between the four?
Likewise, what are the differences between the seven astral planes?
I'm only aware of a single psychic/mental plane, so what are these seven subplanes?
What is a Lord of a Plane? What is a Lord of Karma?
It is of use to consider the Hindu/Theosophical system of planes and subplanes.
Above the 7 subplanes of the physical we find the 7 subplanes of the astral etc. The controlled experiencing of the planes is often termed "rising on the planes" but usually only the non-technical versions are in the public domain.
The substance of the planes and subplanes is a vortex in the appropriate human chakras.
When I met the Tzimtzum it called itself "the revelation of the word" thus bridging across Christian mysticism.
The 4 aetheric subplanes, in human experience related to sound (phonons), light, shapes and electricity/power. The human faces appropriate psychological challenges in learning to control them. For example on 7.4 the lowest aetheric subplane the typical challenge is liking to hear nice things said about oneself, regardless of truth.
>single psychic/mental plane, so what are these seven subplanes?
The mental subplanes have learnings that extend from "knowledge of the mind as a tool" up to, for the highest subplane of the soul body "willingness to be at one with all"
The Lord of a Plane is the intelligence that uses the substance of that plane as its body of incarnation. Thus all human astral experiences occur within the body of a being, referred to by the Hindus as Varuna.
The Lords of Karma are intelligences used by the relevant Logos to manage the out-workings of its relationships.
The term Logos (word) is used for entities that use planets, solar systems, galaxies and universes as their bodies of incarnation.
So what is it about aether that unifies these essences? Sound is the vibration of a medium (in the audible sense, the vibration of our atmosphere). Light is the activity of photons, which are directly tied to the mental element of Fire. Shapes are a more physical construction, typically, but the abstract of them is not tied to an essence I am aware of. I'll have to look into that. As for electricity, that is tied to the vital element of Air, like sound. Power in a more abstract sense is probably a gestalt of the non-physical essences, rendered through the physical for our understanding. So given these things, I'm not really sure how they meet under an umbrella called "aether."
So what learning defines each of the seven mental planes, specifically?
I've replied earlier in the thread some. and I meant to reply to pretty much every comment here by both you and walker, but i've run out of time by being too verbose. I'll be back soon! can't miss out on this conversation.
I'm gonna do a massive whopper of a reply, instead of making individual replies. I'm aware of the original roots of tantra; it's a legitimate practice. I appreciate the breaking of taboos, so that's a plus.
First thing you've written that I can really speak on is the commingling thing, as I have done it with spiritual creatures and one human. Both of whom could be considered deities in a certain frame of mind, though I do not. The nature and result of this mingling depend entirely on the essences used. If you are engaging in sex, especially unwanted sex, the primary or perhaps only essence that sees a lot of use is physical. Physical essences grate against each other and the non-physical ones, breaking them down to be absorbed by the larger/more intense power. When the necessary cells blend in mating, the physical energies involved are amassing toward the creation of a new whole. While the sperm cell is seen as invading and altering the egg, energetically it is the opposite, as the egg bears the more massive energy. Obviously, the result is a new physical being. If you blend your consciousness with that of another being, you spend your energy enhancing theirs, and they do so with yours. This does not create a new consciousness (necessarily), but enhances the conscious forms in play. Aside from general improvement, the most noticeable effect is a heightening of awareness, toward the physical and toward non-physical essences. If you blend your mind, or specifically your mental/psychic essence, with that of another being, you spend your energy driving theirs. You might be driving it away/apart, or might be guiding it toward a particular destination or form. Conscious and vital essences are important for ensuring the beneficial and constructive result. At the same time, they are spending their essence to drive yours. In a crude display, this is most likely to drive the two of you apart, or cause psychological harm, or both. If you blend your life, or specifically your vital essence, with that of another being, the primary result is an attempt to control the essence of the other person. Not manipulate it to make it do what you want (per se), but generally conform it to your expectations and your own nature. All life essence is connected in a single body, so when one extension of life tries to control another, they attempt a sort of merger. At the same time, that being's life essence tries to control yours. Either the victory will fall to one of you, or your two vital essences will find a new, harmonious balance. For a sort of energy-work "amorous level," I would personally recommend a mixture of conscious and vital essences, with minimal physical for stability, and minimal mental for the push. Trying to blend "your" causality with "someone else's" causality will just result in drawing the two of you deep into the Causal Plane for a private chat. Your karma is yours, but causal "essence" belongs to no one.
What you refer to as a "psychic vamp" is more of channeling, in my opinion. But instead of pointedly channeling a spirit, you are acting as a river-like channel to the essences around you. In my opinion, a psychic vamp is more someone who draws energy and tries to "hold" it as long as they can, until it starts to leak, or they lose it through some other means.
Yeah, being a strong empath makes shielding very important. Good way to go mad, if you don't. Your methods of partitioning and filtration sound very sophisticated. I'd love a private conversation with you about technique sometime! Obviously shielding and related practices aren't something to put in too much detail publicly.
The worst flaw of most energetic barriers is the assumption they cannot be passed. I've had to do a lot of work on my defensive strategy because of that. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I'd say defense all depends on what is being used to attack, and what is being targeted. The Causal underpins everything. Attack on that level, and the effect may not be seen for thousands of years, but it is quite inescapable. Impossible to defend against. Contrast that to the power of the mind. If you bear great power of psychic essence against a physical body, your own assault causes the physical essence to move against you. Direct it against vital essence, and you provoke a force to control you. Conscious energy is also a terrible fuel for attacks, as it strengthens defenses and the power to push back. Using conscious energy against the mind will grant it real power to evade you, or tear you apart.
It's true. Siddhis are alluring, but they come from not seeking them, and are a distraction from actual progress. It just means you're on the right path, and should maintain focus. Hard to do when you can read minds.
I have nothing to say about your teacher, except that her prowess is well shown through what you've described of your abilities, and more importantly the perspective you've gained. Consider me impressed.
My hypothesis about TK (and sadly nothing more than that) is a dissolution of essences. The main barrier is the resiliency of the physical essence. If it can be diluted with non-physical essences to a certain degree, it is possible that the "physical" starts to become more sensation, more thought, more living essence. Or at least more like them. Once sufficiently like conscious essence, the physical will grow. Once sufficiently like mental energy, it will move. Again, this is purely hypothetical; I can't do TK myself.
Many "unfriendlies" I have fought may be potent, but wither under the right technique. Then there are two I have met. I know not their names, but one was able to ragdoll me like I was nothing. The other...is a long story. But needless to say, he is quite capable of all the things you've described and more, while working through a simple proxy with no real skill of their own.
It is the most useful book I have ever read - by a dentist that used hypnosis rather than anaesthetic. He found attached entities and those entities in turn had their own attached entities. It turned out that permission was critical before the entity could attach to the human
This is completely counter to all my observations. Entities can absolutely use the full extent of their power on you, whether you want them to or not. Their actual ability to interfere is the important part.
That is where my views get controversial. You see, I view all gods as nothing more than figureheads. In actuality, they might be humans, some variety of spirit at varying levels of power, or even imagined. Being called a "god" gives one no more power than being called "the boss," nor does it imply the level of difference that "captain" and "general" do. I would wager that Thor or Indra could best Hermes in a straight fight, if they exist as described. Therefore, in terms of raw power, Hermes is likely less powerful than they. But none of the three are likely to be as wise as Athena or Odin. Begging your favorite god to protect you is not an auto-win. Be sure of the power and intentions of any spirit you interact with.
It is indeed possible to see through the tactics of any entity, human or otherwise.
Not sure how you got that from what I said. Possible doesn't mean you will, doesn't mean easy or even necessarily achievable. It just means there is a way to do it, if one has the means.
Same goes for them using their full power on you. The more proud and powerful beings won't want to, and their will to hold back compresses their power. The less powerful beings will struggle to accomplish anything of significance, even at full power. Difference is that when you give it your all, you have nothing left. So when they don't use all their power, they are able to recover from the cost.