( This thread is a split from ;
Working with Jesus as a spirit/Deity )
I live in one of these ;still got strands of Antarctic beech across the river .
Errrrmmmm Not really , close but some important details are left out ... we need a new thread to go firther with this .
There seem some remnants existing from before this split ; similarities bith later traditions shared ; two that come to mind are the Scorpio story I mentioned above and the common idea about the Pleiades . There was a paragraph about this postulated early 'one' soucre that was in the wiki page on Aboriginal Astronomy , but it has since been removed .
Thats what the story says .... it is water / life ( and 'the water of life'
) coming to that barren place that is the 'dream' . Sky snake spits water onto barren earth ( 'disc of sand ' , floating in space ) , earth snake 'gathers it up ' and 'holds it together ' and dives down into the sand , leaving a 'sand hill' behind ( that 'petrifies' into Uluru ) taking the water below the surface ( Great Artesian Basin ) and curls up in it and goes to sleep and then , starts to dream ( here the dreamtime 'starts' , in the dream he multiplies himself, the snakes burrow outwards, the water following , all the way to the edge where it flows out and forms the surrounding ocean (of the 'Great Island' ) . The quality and type of Aboriginal consciousness regarding time , that you mentioned , is also valid , in that this 'reality' that we live in IS the dream that to us never had a start or an end . Yest they do see time differently to modern post industrial age 'clock man' . They also do not see a 'moment' it is a stream Eg, a significant and respected elder in some traditions may have a title 'beyond' or attached to 'Uncle .....' or ' Uncle Pop ..... ' ( head man ) as in (local ) 'Guba ' or in other language 'gaboo' etc . means basically 'going ' ... nothing stops .... even if old respected Guba stops to talk to you , he has not stopped , he is constantly moving forward ... doing hios work ( or True Will , if one prefers that term ) .. same with time ... they see it less like we do and more like ..... a Tralfamidorian
It is a cosmology of the Eternal Now, completely unburdened by the linear, black-pill doom-laden narrative arcs of the much younger Eurasian systems.
So yeah., compared to a 65,000+ year unbroken tradition of the Everywhen, a narrative about gods murdering a giant to carve up the continents is, comparatively speaking, all mewling baby myths.
Many many years ago I reads somewhere an interview with an Aboriginal elder. He was asked if the gods made humans. He said, no, only the flat reality existed before humans. Before the Ancestral Beings woke up, the Earth already existed, but it was completely flat, cold, dark, and soft. There were no mountains, no rivers, no trees, no distinct animals, and no stars.
Yes there are innumerable versions of the 'same' stories . The above one describes the pre dreamtime earth good , but in the version I was taught the stars certainly existed , they were above the ' completely flat, cold, dark, and soft ' ( sand ) earth and on that barren earth lived Ungud and up in the stars lived Wallenganda with her children .. who were people - sky children - they camped along the river of her body, on the banks, the 'stars' either side are their campfires .
Two streams of belief here ; Humans came down with the water from the stars . And . Potential seed spirit humans were somehow present in the unformed world that was featureless .
They existed in a dormant, semi-formed state called Inapatua (in the Arrernte language). The Inapatua are described as unshaped, embryonic clumps of life. They were unfinished creatures, stuck together without distinct limbs, fingers, eyes, or mouths. They lay blank and paralyzed on the flat, damp crust of the earth. But they were always there, just undifferentiated blobs . Like people on Instagram. Or NPCs in a video game.
Always there yet undifferentiated from the formless ... hmmmmm . Thats one view ... and it sort of extends to the other when we get into the Dreamtime ; ie. when these first 'humans' died they went back into the land but now , in the dreamtime, we have water , waterholes, thats where the 'spirit babies' live and where the born babies spirits come from , and return to . They have gone from Inatwerpa to 'ratap' (baby seeds , sort of ) .
Curiously , some modern spiritual philosophers have claimed the same ; I remember Abdul'baha ( early Baha'i leader and son of founder prophet ) being asked how he balanced his religious beliefs with the new teachings about evolution . He responded that he believed in evolution but , way back , Man was like some type of amoeba and that amoeba was designed and destined to become man , as part of the plan , it didnt just work out that way, along the way, as a coincidence .
Once we were ... blobs ... apparently
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^ ... 'Ratapa ' ( I dropped an 'a' ) .
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This site shows a reasonable general summary of the variations of the story and variant associated myths (in some, 'rainbow serpent ' , or varieties thereof , are considered dangerous ) ;
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