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As an occultist, I have not had a lot of formal experience with crystals, herbs, and other physical tools. But I have significant experience with energy work and interacting with ethereal/otherworldly/non-physical beings. As such, that is the field I can best hold a conversation on, in this forum. I have created this thread so that people can leave statements, ask questions, or even issue a challenge if that is how you wish to act.

To open, I will explain the fundamentals of my work. I deal in the parallel vibration of matter, detecting and manipulating sensual and psychic interactions, and the basics of the vital force. I have tactile methods based upon hand signs and therapy, and more esoteric, meditative practice. Does anyone want to talk about this, or should I continue to elaborate first?
 

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I guess I'd start by asking about the parallel vibrations of matter? That's something I don't know about. I'm more into energy work than tools as well, but I tend to only use energy itself for everything. Haven't expanded too far out from that, though I've still managed to do a ton with that one thing.
 
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I generally don't use the word "energy" in my work, for a variety of reasons. One way that I prefer to explain it is states of matter. Solid matter has the lowest vibrational state. Its contents buzz with motion, but the shape as we perceive it does not shift. Fluids differ in that their energy state, their vibration, exceeds the internal bonds. Gases and plasma more than liquids.

My work deals primarily in three parallel vibrations to the material, as a larger scale than fluidity. The conscious, or sensual essence vibrates on a level not totally removed from our sense of the material, but one that does not correspond directly to the material in shape or function. The psychic essence only corresponds to physical brain activity, informed by our senses but not controlled by them. The vital essence only connects to the physical sporadically, and I am not sure about directly.

In shorter form, there's what you sense outside, what you think as an individual, and the heart substance of all of us, which we only see and think of as our own.
 
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I can, and have in other venues, waxed eloquent on the mechanics of this "energy work" process. Here, I will make my best attempt to write something short that can be followed, and will lead more naturally to good questions.

You cannot simply snap your fingers or wave your hand. By "you," I mean animals such as humans who are so restricted to physical features, physical abilities, and physical expectations. Your focus on this physicality will only hamper you, stifle the attempt. So these basic methods are not enough to work with energy. This is the Material tier, the realm of resistance and subjugation.

The sensual essence of what is perceived, which I will simply call "Conscious Energy," is a higher expression of form. It deals not in atoms, strong forces, electricity, or gravity. It deals not in thermodynamics or reproducible results. What is deals in is the crucial working of the quantum scale: observation. Not even mindfulness is necessary, as animals can be Observers. Physical objects with no "physical" consciousness can be Observers after an effect. What they do is interact passively with the environment, so to develop a more limited perspective on it. When you use your eyes, you don't see the world from all angles or all locations. You see it from one. This power of perspective is like fertilizer. When it interacts with other essences, it magnifies them, makes them grow. When you do energy work, remove your focus from what "IS" and "HAS TO BE." Focus instead one what seems to be there, what feels present, what feels important. That level of consciousness will help grow your work.

The psychic essence of thought and emotion, which I will simply call "Mental Energy," has no direct correspondence to brainwaves in a physical sense. Anything with energy (the power to make a change, be that physical or otherwise) has Mental Energy in some form, even plants, rocks, or stars. Especially stars. Where Material essence Resists, and Conscious essence Grows, it is the Psychic essence that Moves. It does not steer or guide, does not moderate. It is like a blunt push from behind, and a forceful pull from the front, a buzz of activity in all directions. But if you do not direct your will toward your energy work, nothing will Move.

Next time I post, I will get into the Vital essence and how it relates to these.
 

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I can, and have in other venues, waxed eloquent on the mechanics of this "energy work" process. Here, I will make my best attempt to write something short that can be followed, and will lead more naturally to good questions.

You cannot simply snap your fingers or wave your hand. By "you," I mean animals such as humans who are so restricted to physical features, physical abilities, and physical expectations. Your focus on this physicality will only hamper you, stifle the attempt. So these basic methods are not enough to work with energy. This is the Material tier, the realm of resistance and subjugation.

The sensual essence of what is perceived, which I will simply call "Conscious Energy," is a higher expression of form. It deals not in atoms, strong forces, electricity, or gravity. It deals not in thermodynamics or reproducible results. What is deals in is the crucial working of the quantum scale: observation. Not even mindfulness is necessary, as animals can be Observers. Physical objects with no "physical" consciousness can be Observers after an effect. What they do is interact passively with the environment, so to develop a more limited perspective on it. When you use your eyes, you don't see the world from all angles or all locations. You see it from one. This power of perspective is like fertilizer. When it interacts with other essences, it magnifies them, makes them grow. When you do energy work, remove your focus from what "IS" and "HAS TO BE." Focus instead one what seems to be there, what feels present, what feels important. That level of consciousness will help grow your work.

The psychic essence of thought and emotion, which I will simply call "Mental Energy," has no direct correspondence to brainwaves in a physical sense. Anything with energy (the power to make a change, be that physical or otherwise) has Mental Energy in some form, even plants, rocks, or stars. Especially stars. Where Material essence Resists, and Conscious essence Grows, it is the Psychic essence that Moves. It does not steer or guide, does not moderate. It is like a blunt push from behind, and a forceful pull from the front, a buzz of activity in all directions. But if you do not direct your will toward your energy work, nothing will Move.

Next time I post, I will get into the Vital essence and how it relates to these.
Oh yeah, that sounds about right.


I do direct my will with what I do, I just generally don't think about it too much because it's just almost become muscle memory over the years.
 
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Oh yeah, that sounds about right.


I do direct my will with what I do, I just generally don't think about it too much because it's just almost become muscle memory over the years.
An over-simplification on my part. There are other ways to drive magical workings, but use of gods too intimately with the inner function of one's energy work is strongly discouraged by my practice. Your energy is, after all, the last line of defense against all spirits, gods included. And yeah, I wasn't saying that overly tactile, conscious effort is necessary. When you reach a certain point, it's rather involuntary.
 

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this is an area i know i do stuff, but i dont have the words for it. so i hope you dont mind me being 'stupid'.
overall what you have written makes quite sense, although i don't understand all your words yet.
i have a question and i really don't know in what area to look.
i have quite a lot of voices in my head, some internal others external. i dont mind those. what is starting to get annoying though is that some voices sound like people in my surroundings, but are not. im quite done being played like that, so i am asking is this in your area of expertise and if so, how can i change this. in islam this is called waswas and is said to come from an teasing spirit.
 
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this is an area i know i do stuff, but i dont have the words for it. so i hope you dont mind me being 'stupid'.
overall what you have written makes quite sense, although i don't understand all your words yet.
i have a question and i really don't know in what area to look.
i have quite a lot of voices in my head, some internal others external. i dont mind those. what is starting to get annoying though is that some voices sound like people in my surroundings, but are not. im quite done being played like that, so i am asking is this in your area of expertise and if so, how can i change this. in islam this is called waswas and is said to come from an teasing spirit.
I'm gonna respond to that in private if you don't mind. Are you comfortable with that?
 

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Thanks for creating this thread. First question: what are the limitations of your system? Second, say you are working with a spirit through this energy model. This is the first time you are working with this spirit. How do you know, objectively, that the spirit you made contact with is the one you intended to call? Is there a verification process with energy models? Thanks!
 
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Thanks for creating this thread. First question: what are the limitations of your system? Second, say you are working with a spirit through this energy model. This is the first time you are working with this spirit. How do you know, objectively, that the spirit you made contact with is the one you intended to call? Is there a verification process with energy models? Thanks!
Glad you asked! The first question appears straightforward at first, but can be difficult to answer unless I have clarification. Are you asking about:
1) What my system aims to do, but can't?
2) What I do not intend to accomplish with my system?
3) Something else?

As for the second question, I have rarely encountered the same spirit twice, but have known this was the case either way. For one, my work is very essential. It deals not in guises or names, but in composition. If you want to use the human analogue, it would be like if I had a readout telling me what your basic composition was (missing organs, piercings, tattoos, etc.) as well as your DNA. If I had such a thing, it would be exceptionally difficult to trick me into thinking someone else was you. When it comes to spirit work, I do have that thing, or as close to one as is possible. There have been spirits that attempted to mislead me, but I could tell fairly quickly they were not who they claimed. When a spirit shows me an image or an omen, as if that's "what they look like," I treat it the same as you would if you met someone, their nametag said Ezekiel, but they told you, "Call me Zen. Everyone does."
 

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Glad you asked! The first question appears straightforward at first, but can be difficult to answer unless I have clarification. Are you asking about:
1) What my system aims to do, but can't?
2) What I do not intend to accomplish with my system?
3) Something else?

As for the second question, I have rarely encountered the same spirit twice, but have known this was the case either way. For one, my work is very essential. It deals not in guises or names, but in composition. If you want to use the human analogue, it would be like if I had a readout telling me what your basic composition was (missing organs, piercings, tattoos, etc.) as well as your DNA. If I had such a thing, it would be exceptionally difficult to trick me into thinking someone else was you. When it comes to spirit work, I do have that thing, or as close to one as is possible. There have been spirits that attempted to mislead me, but I could tell fairly quickly they were not who they claimed. When a spirit shows me an image or an omen, as if that's "what they look like," I treat it the same as you would if you met someone, their nametag said Ezekiel, but they told you, "Call me Zen. Everyone does."

Forgive the late response!

In terms of limitations, my question was more focused on spirit work. Are there limitations when it comes to spirit work?


To your second response:

That is interesting, however, I would posit that all humans are made of DNA and a great number of humans have tattoos and piercings. With that fact said, how can you differentiate one from the other on initial contact? Breaking it down further, how would you know an imposter spirit from the real thing on the first meeting? Perhaps after numerous encounters one may come to recognize the energy patterns of spirits, and this I do agree with. But on initial contact? How can you tell? Is there some sort of verification system in place? While I am unique from you, if you met me on the street and I said I'm TGK from WF, how would you know it's really me vs someone who lurks the forum a lot and reads all my stuff? I hope this clears it up.
 

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As for the second question, I have rarely encountered the same spirit twice, but have known this was the case either way. For one, my work is very essential. It deals not in guises or names, but in composition. If you want to use the human analogue, it would be like if I had a readout telling me what your basic composition was (missing organs, piercings, tattoos, etc.) as well as your DNA. If I had such a thing, it would be exceptionally difficult to trick me into thinking someone else was you. When it comes to spirit work, I do have that thing, or as close to one as is possible. There have been spirits that attempted to mislead me, but I could tell fairly quickly they were not who they claimed. When a spirit shows me an image or an omen, as if that's "what they look like," I treat it the same as you would if you met someone, their nametag said Ezekiel, but they told you, "Call me Zen. Everyone does."
Yep yep, that's kinda how I go about it too. Labels are nice and all, but the signature a spirit has is much harder for them to fake.
 
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Forgive the late response!

In terms of limitations, my question was more focused on spirit work. Are there limitations when it comes to spirit work?


To your second response:

That is interesting, however, I would posit that all humans are made of DNA and a great number of humans have tattoos and piercings. With that fact said, how can you differentiate one from the other on initial contact? Breaking it down further, how would you know an imposter spirit from the real thing on the first meeting? Perhaps after numerous encounters one may come to recognize the energy patterns of spirits, and this I do agree with. But on initial contact? How can you tell? Is there some sort of verification system in place? While I am unique from you, if you met me on the street and I said I'm TGK from WF, how would you know it's really me vs someone who lurks the forum a lot and reads all my stuff? I hope this clears it up.
All humans are made of dna. But not all humans have your dna. Some spirits are made of a different balance of essences, but all spirits are made of some combination of the same essences. And the combination and its structure and behavior are difficult to mask. Or duplicate. Possible, yes, but I have other methods. I have also never run into two spirits who were built remotely similar. It's not like both were six foot white males with the same build and scent, or something. They've been radically different in a way that is apparent on first contact.

If I meet your imposter, and have never met you, what does it mean to me that I have not met you? Putting this differently, I have searched extensively for a deity that goes by a particular name. Instead of finding 50 imposters, I only found one spirit. And when I asked this spirit if it goes by that name, it said no.

More accurately, it said people have called it that and many other names, but that is not its name. True name? Preferred? It did not specify. Only that I was not to use that name in conversation, since I care enough about what that spirit wants to be called. When I searched for a different deity with similar goals, I found the same spirit and had a similar, more brief version of that conversation. Both names used when communing with this entity by people before me, but it was names the humans picked.

How do I know it was the same guy? Identical composition, same behavior, memory of the past conversation, made no attempt to convince me he was that deity or to worship him or any other form of gain. In fact, I've yet to interview him properly, because the last two times, he said "this is not the right time to talk." And then he left. Haven't spoken to him since. He's utterly disinterested. Why go through the effort to deceive me if he doesn't want to talk?
 
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The vital essence of what lives, which I will simply call "Vital Energy," is difficult to describe outside the context of the other essences. It is not a "life force" that runs out when you die, or can be stolen for immortality, or anything like that. The reason for this is that we are all expressions of it. Rather than personal vessels each containing our own "life force." There is one Vital Force. It guides essences together to give them a sense of cohesion. Material without all others will consume and destroy every bit of essence it encounters, in the name of reinforcing what is physical. Sensual without all others will expand upon itself, or be cut up for food (in a manner of speaking). Materials use it to grow themselves, and psychic energies use it to move faster and more erratically.

When great and comparable amounts of consciousness and sentience coexist, that high-energy state is destructive to both, but manifests a small product of vital essence. While I looked at this for a time as creation, it is more like attraction. Vital essence seeks out this energetic clash and tries to maintain balance. This is how many immaterial beings take form. Rampant energies of the sensual world come into violent contact with our own thoughts and emotions, and Life guides them into something with less intensity, but more agency. If that end result is able to take a physical form, in a seed or cell or zygote, then a material being appears instead.

But these material forms are limited, and prone to being worn down by internal processes and external factors. When this reaches a critical point, Vital Essence cannot linger there. It retracts into the One body of all Vital Essence, and is distributed into new life. This theory is my best work toward understanding the concept of Reincarnation, but it is incomplete.
 
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While I give time for my description of Vital Essence to sink in and see analysis, I thought I'd give a brief breakdown of the "realms" as I see them.

You are of course familiar with the Material Realm. It is very solid and behaves within a coherent system of rules that, as we understand them, are immutable. It is instead our ability to understand the rules that changes how they appear.

The Sensual Realm, or the Realm of Consciousness, adheres to the Material Realm for the most part. But if you are able to shift your awareness to sense only that, you will notice some differences. There are imprints of where people or animals have been, but have since left. I have mistaken these for ghosts at times. There are also apparent forms of present or past things. Perhaps an egotist sees themselves as a mighty King, so you can see that image strutting about in full regalia. Perhaps a squirrel or Chihuahua regards itself as a larger and more dangerous beast, so you see that instead of the real, small size. I have seen a convergence of perceived relationships take the form of a single being, where whole families, ecosystems, or romances look like some fantastical creature or unsightly horror. This is because you are witnessing the world of what is beheld, absent the rule of material mundanity. In the material, we understand a relationship to be a non-entity, an emotional or legal connection in some sense. But in the Sensual Realm, that bond is as close to "physical" as it gets.

The Psychic Realm is rather different. Instead of being an impressionist view of our reality, it is mostly dark, like our night sky to our limited spectrum of vision. But every point of light conceals an entire cosmos. In each point, there are people, houses, city streets, stars and planets, all rendered as that sentient mind understands them. But just like the Sensual Realm is impressionistic, resembling more how things are regarded, rather than how they physically are, the Psychic Realm is entirely subjective. The forms and rules to which those psychic entities subscribe are internally sourced, but not internally consistent. They are as fleeting as thoughts and emotions can be. Strength makes them burn bright and move actively, rather than making them more solid.

If there is a Vital Realm in that sense, I have not found one. The One vital source exists in a simple dualism. Where the One does not physically manifest, where it cannot sense, what it does not know, these form null spaces into which the One is capable of moving. Freedom, room to grow. Where the One physically manifests, where it senses, what it knows, that is the One. I refer to the collective "null space" as the Causal Realm. It is a non-place, but a venue through which the other essences can travel.
 

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All humans are made of dna. But not all humans have your dna. Some spirits are made of a different balance of essences, but all spirits are made of some combination of the same essences. And the combination and its structure and behavior are difficult to mask. Or duplicate. Possible, yes, but I have other methods. I have also never run into two spirits who were built remotely similar. It's not like both were six foot white males with the same build and scent, or something. They've been radically different in a way that is apparent on first contact.

If I meet your imposter, and have never met you, what does it mean to me that I have not met you? Putting this differently, I have searched extensively for a deity that goes by a particular name. Instead of finding 50 imposters, I only found one spirit. And when I asked this spirit if it goes by that name, it said no.

More accurately, it said people have called it that and many other names, but that is not its name. True name? Preferred? It did not specify. Only that I was not to use that name in conversation, since I care enough about what that spirit wants to be called. When I searched for a different deity with similar goals, I found the same spirit and had a similar, more brief version of that conversation. Both names used when communing with this entity by people before me, but it was names the humans picked.

How do I know it was the same guy? Identical composition, same behavior, memory of the past conversation, made no attempt to convince me he was that deity or to worship him or any other form of gain. In fact, I've yet to interview him properly, because the last two times, he said "this is not the right time to talk." And then he left. Haven't spoken to him since. He's utterly disinterested. Why go through the effort to deceive me if he doesn't want to talk?

Interesting. However, I would say that was one spirit out of the innumerable amount of spirits out there. Let's go back to the imposter spirit for a moment. You had stated that if you meet a spirit claiming to be me and you have not met me, what does that mean to you. Well, on it's face, nothing. But let's say that I am the spirit of love and passion. 9 times out of 10, if you're trying to contact me then it's because you want to find love or at least some good sex. But instead of me, you get my imposter. This is where having not met me becomes important. This imposter spirit is simply that, an imposter. Chances are it can't do much of anything let alone help you gain a new lover. But my question is how would you know that since you have yet to meet me. You've no idea that this spirit isn't me nor can it do what I can, though it claims to. Now, let's say that after you've worked with this imposter a couple of times, the real me shows up. How do you know I'm not lying when I say I'm the real me and the imposter is lying?

This problem tends not to happen when dealing with deities, I'll admit. I've yet to come across one who has tried to contact a deity and got an imposter. But it happens often with terrestrial or "low" spirits such as the dead, demons, nature spirits, etc.
 
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Well, going out there asking for a love spirit is like walking down the street asking for a date. You might get what you want, but it's also likely you get the wrong kind of person. That's why I don't go looking for what I want. I instead travel without intent, and study the way spirits choose to present themselves.

Beyond what I've given you, I'm not sure what you want. I can analyze essence very quickly. It has always been enough to get a strong gauge on who a spirit is. If the real spirit of love and passion appears after a fake, the difference should be apparent.
 

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Beyond what I've given you, I'm not sure what you want. I can analyze essence very quickly. It has always been enough to get a strong gauge on who a spirit is. If the real spirit of love and passion appears after a fake, the difference should be apparent.

Yes, but I'm wondering how you can tell the difference from initial contact. If you've never encountered the real thing, how do you know the fake from the real? How do you eliminate any doubt before it even begins? That is what I'm wondering. Perhaps I missed it, and if so, apologies.
Well, going out there asking for a love spirit is like walking down the street asking for a date. You might get what you want, but it's also likely you get the wrong kind of person. That's why I don't go looking for what I want. I instead travel without intent, and study the way spirits choose to present themselves.
For this I would argue that in GT you're not asking for any random love spirit. You would already know the specific spirit you wish to call and would most likely have already gone through the preliminaries to prepare the ritual chamber/space as such. So you wouldn't be walking down the street and asking for a date. Or actually, if you were, it's because you knew the specific person you were crushing on was out on this street today and you went to find them to ask them out. And, if you did not know which spirit you wanted to call, you would evaluate your needs/wants and break out the grimoires and/or spirit catalogs to find one.

I do, however, like the "let the spirits come to me" approach you utilize. I use it with "post-named" spirits; that is to say spirits who's name I don't know until after the ritual begins and contact is established, such as Genius Loci, nature spirits like goblins or even Elementals.
 
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