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time and space in a scientific sense do not exist, time is relative to experience of process in the moment of now, space is an illusion of perception, everything is connected by energy which is the fundamental reality

time emerges from the imagination, images of things experienced or yet to come, but the past and future only exist right now, at the moment of their conception in the mind, time cannot be altered because it has no reality outside the frame of reference of the experiencer, there is no universality to time

space, or a void, is not possible, matter is condensed electric charge, it self organizes in layers, these layers interact, the energy forms a web, everything in the universe is connected to everything else
 
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So this would satisfy engineers, geologists, and astronomers, not to mention astro-physicists? Im asking because Im not debating the point, but inquiring more about it, as Im currently reading academically speaking a variety of Natural Sciences, and I'm unclear on a few points here.
Any scientist on this planet has to be able to measure. We dont cook ordinarily without measures. We dont construct oils or incense without parts, so measures, and the three forms of matter are a required way of producing a desired result.

Matter can neither be created nor destroyed, per superstring theory and thermodynamic laws, this explains the Big Bang how?

After the Big Bang, then id space does not exist, what is the term for the container in which they float without gravity or planetary collisions?
 

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time and space in a scientific sense do not exist, time is relative to experience of process in the moment of now, space is an illusion of perception, everything is connected by energy which is the fundamental reality

time emerges from the imagination, images of things experienced or yet to come, but the past and future only exist right now, at the moment of their conception in the mind, time cannot be altered because it has no reality outside the frame of reference of the experiencer, there is no universality to time

space, or a void, is not possible, matter is condensed electric charge, it self organizes in layers, these layers interact, the energy forms a web, everything in the universe is connected to everything else
I too believe everything is connected, but through consciousness instead of electricity.
 

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Peter J Carroll has an incredible theory about time and space in this universe. He postulates that the shape of the universe is a "vorticitating hypersphere". A hypersphere is a three dimensional sphere that has been folded into a fourth dimension. This is extremely difficult to comprehend, but we can create something approaching an accurate representation - imagine a globe that has been cut perfectly in half along the equator. Those two halves are then placed flat side down right next to each other, so one point is touching. If you spin these globes next to each other, you can create a different point of contact between them. In a true hypersphere, ALL of those points are in contact all the time. This creates a finite but boundless universe. Meaning it has a set volume (is not expanding as currently theorized), but if you send a spaceship to the edge of the universe, it will enter it again at the opposite side at the same time that it exits. Vorticitating is a word coined by Mr. Carrol to describe a special kind of rotation this universe has. We exist on the outer three dimensional surface of this vorticitating hypersphere. This model can be used to eliminate the theory of the Big Bang (say whaaaat?!). One of the Big Bang Theory's leading points of evidence is CMBR, or the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation - an omnipresent and entirely pervasive 'static' level of radiation that is said to be the remnants of the Big Bang. Carroll's theory describes this as being redshifted light. As the 3D surface of this hypersphere vorticitates, it creates an imperceptible amount of drag on photons. Since they will always travel at the speed of light, they undergo something called redshift, which means their wavelengths change so they present as a different frequency of light. If you recall that the universe is finite and boundless, this means that photons will never ever stop travelling, but become more and more redshifted as they spit through space over and over again, until we are left with a universe permeated with mild radiation.

He also goes on to describe time as being three dimensional. This could account for many seemingly impossible things, such as magic or the Mandela Effect. If you are familiar with wave-particle duality, you can see the same behavior present in a 3D model of time. We have never actually observed wave behavior directly, as the act of observations causes waves to collapse into particles - we simply have detailed results that make it seem really, really likely they were behaving like waves just before observation. In the same vein, we can only observe a single instant (particle) of time, at which point it becomes cemented as reality and we call it "the past". When you consider this paradigm, you realize that our idea of the past cannot be trusted entirely. It sure seems as though we have flowed evenly through time like waves, but our memories are built up of individual points of observation, and are linked together only tenuously. In the same way a camera with a fast enough frame rate will appear to create a moving picture, we perceive our experience as being continuous.

If this is the kinda stuff that keeps you up at night in a good way, you can find more information in his book "The Apophenion" or on the Arcanorium College website.
 
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I too believe everything is connected, but through consciousness instead of electricity.
the universe is conscious experience, electricity is the physical shadow of the consciousness, from which all other matter is made

but really, electricity does not exist, we only measure charge flow, there is no electric "particle"

the fundamental reality, metaphysically, is that Nothing exists
 
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So this would satisfy engineers, geologists, and astronomers, not to mention astro-physicists? Im asking because Im not debating the point, but inquiring more about it, as Im currently reading academically speaking a variety of Natural Sciences, and I'm unclear on a few points here.
Any scientist on this planet has to be able to measure. We dont cook ordinarily without measures. We dont construct oils or incense without parts, so measures, and the three forms of matter are a required way of producing a desired result.

Matter can neither be created nor destroyed, per superstring theory and thermodynamic laws, this explains the Big Bang how?

After the Big Bang, then id space does not exist, what is the term for the container in which they float without gravity or planetary collisions?
None of these were answered?
If there is no electricity involved in the person, without eating, without being cool or warm, without moving at all whatsoever, they could be conscious af but useless at the same time, waiting to die through lack of personally generated electricity/energy.

In terms of creation, yes, whatever divine force created this solar system, and this planet in particular, and all the intricacy involved, we, with our production of anything is pale in comparison. Our creations will pass away, but not those of the Creator.
 

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time and space in a scientific sense do not exist, time is relative to experience of process in the moment of now, space is an illusion of perception, everything is connected by energy which is the fundamental reality

time emerges from the imagination, images of things experienced or yet to come, but the past and future only exist right now, at the moment of their conception in the mind, time cannot be altered because it has no reality outside the frame of reference of the experiencer, there is no universality to time

space, or a void, is not possible, matter is condensed electric charge, it self organizes in layers, these layers interact, the energy forms a web, everything in the universe is connected to everything else
Scientificaly speaking, modern physics views time as a basic property of our universe that is intimately related to the geometry of space. Relativity theory states that time is relative to the observer's frame of reference and that it can be changed by elements like gravity and motion. This does not suggest, however, that time is merely an illusion or a concept in the mind. It is viewed as a tangible and measurable component of the physical world instead.

Similar to time, it is believed that space is a fundamental property of the cosmos that can be mathematically represented. It is not implied that space is an illusion or only a product of perception, even while there are undoubtedly unanswered problems concerning the nature of space and its underlying structure, such as the continuous quest for a theory of quantum gravity.

the universe is conscious experience, electricity is the physical shadow of the consciousness, from which all other matter is made

but really, electricity does not exist, we only measure charge flow, there is no electric "particle"

the fundamental reality, metaphysically, is that Nothing exists

Interesting take - why are you claiming that electricity does not exist ?

While it is true that electricity is a phenomenon that can be described in terms of charge flow, this does not mean that electricity itself does not exist. Electric charge is a fundamental property of matter and can be measured and manipulated in a variety of ways - according to science again.
 

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the universe is conscious experience, electricity is the physical shadow of the consciousness, from which all other matter is made
I can get behind this, on an atomic and quantum level, and perhaps on a broad metaphorical level as well.
but really, electricity does not exist, we only measure charge flow, there is no electric "particle"

the fundamental reality, metaphysically, is that Nothing exists
These two statements are a bit more extreme in my opinion. You are correct that there is no electric "particle" but charge is simply more or less a measure of how objects attract/ repel other charged objects.

If by the last statement you are talking about the observer effect in relation to quantum physics, I can see where you are coming from with quantum possibilities for energy being undefined, but saying nothing exists is a bit extreme imo.

How did you come to believe these certain insights? It is all very interesting.
 
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Nothing exists

its an affirmation

the universe is nothing, ideologically it is at rest because it is perfect, but in reality it vibrates with consciousness trying to understand itself, the Charge that results swirls around the Nothing, becoming an imperfect image of the perfect ideal, these fleeting illusions are where we play, but we are not here

without beginning the Mind creates reality forever
 

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RE: [Opinion] Space and Time (or Space-time)
SUBTOPIC: An Alternative View from an Outside Observer
※→ killing raven sun, et al,

Space-Time emerges from Albert Einstein’s ("Special") Theory of Relativity which deals with the impact on "motion."

All science is an approximation that, in any given subject, is subject to change or alteration by the next great "Scientific Mind" that comes to us.

Space-Time can be thought of as a form of geometry. It is a geometric framework that helps us explain the Newtonian notions of gravity and the relationship between bodies of mass in proximity. Gravity is (in the Einstein concept) where matter distorts the space-time framework. This is slightly different from the notion of "Quantum Gravity" which sets forth the idea that it is a force carried by this yet undiscovered sub-atomic particle. And there is a relationship between energy and matter that defines "space." What we often call gravity is this impact of matter which creates space-time curves. In the study of space-time (alla Einstein) the notion of "gravity" is replaced by the distorted shape in the space-time framework (the bending of curvature of space).
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time and space in a scientific sense do not exist, time is relative to experience of process in the moment of now, space is an illusion of perception, everything is connected by energy which is the fundamental reality

time emerges from the imagination, images of things experienced or yet to come, but the past and future only exist right now, at the moment of their conception in the mind, time cannot be altered because it has no reality outside the frame of reference of the experiencer, there is no universality to time

space, or a void, is not possible, matter is condensed electric charge, it self organizes in layers, these layers interact, the energy forms a web, everything in the universe is connected to everything else
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Is space a void? I certainly do not know. But eventually, someone will replace the notion of a space-time framework. But great thinkers like Newton and Einstein only come once in a great while.
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matter is condensed electric charge, it self organizes in layers...
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An alternative view might be to consider that matter and energy are altered by changing their frequency. To increase the frequency of any portion of matter, more energy must be allied (usually in the form of heat). At absolute zero, all the energy is bled away (no electron movement).

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sorry man, everything you wrote is ignorant garbage, you go study plasma cosmology until you fully understand it and then i will converse with you on this subject, but anyone who thinks einstein was a "great scientific mind" doesnt know anything about the cosmos, there is no reality to space time, its not even a place holder for some other force or field, its just ignorant posturing, this subject is not up for debate
 

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RE: [Opinion] Space and Time (or Space-time)
SUBTOPIC: An Alternative View from an Outside Observer
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sorry man, everything you wrote is ignorant garbage, you go study plasma cosmology until you fully understand it and then i will converse with you on this subject, but anyone who thinks einstein was a "great scientific mind" doesnt know anything about the cosmos, there is no reality to space time, its not even a place holder for some other force or field, its just ignorant posturing, this subject is not up for debate

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I am certainly glad I was put in my place.

This opinion is a very interesting position to take.

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Electric Currents in Outer Space Run the Show​

A new book explores our understanding of electric currents, which are fundamental to the structure and dynamics of space plasmas.


Modern society relies on electric currents. We can generate them, guide them from one place to another (including very remote places), and make them work for us. The use of electricity has provided the greatest technological advances in humankind. But electric currents also occur in nature by themselves and “run the show” in outer space. Electric Currents in Geospace and Beyond, a new book just published by the American Geophysical Union, explores our most up-to-date understanding of electric currents in the solar system. Here the editors answer some questions about past and recent advances in this field.

How and when were electric currents in space discovered?

Already in 1779, the American scientist, inventor and politician, Benjamin Franklin, spoke of a “quantity of electricity” in the atmosphere causing the aurora borealis.

Much later, in 1908, the Norwegian pioneer of space physics, Kristian Birkeland, laid out a first theory of electric currents reaching out to space.

All this happened long before the advent of the space age, when the first in situ evidence for the existence of space currents was obtained using satellites in the 1960s.

It is now understood that outer space is fundamentally electrical in nature.

How are these currents observed and measured?

Since electric currents are comprised of moving charged particles, such as ions and electrons, the most direct way to measure currents is by probing and counting the individual particles. Highly tuned instruments that fly on board satellites do exactly that. While particle counting is quite challenging, as one might expect, one can also make use of the fact that electric currents generate a magnetic field around them, which in turn can be measured, more easily, by instruments, called magnetometers. From these magnetic fields one can then infer using Maxwell’s equations the underlying currents.

In fact, this remote sensing allows us to infer some electric currents in outer space from ground-based magnetometers. However, a difficulty is to separate the field contributions at the same location from several distant currents that are simultaneously present.

In the case of electric currents on the Sun, neither the charged particles nor the magnetic field can be measured directly, so yet another method is used, which relies on the signature that the magnetic field leaves on light from the Sun (due to the Zeeman effect). This allows the magnetic field to be inferred, and then the electric current.

What are the main characteristics of electric currents in near-Earth space?

In our homes and in cities, electric currents are guided along thin wires, but this is far from the case in outer space. Electric currents are spread out over a few hundreds of meters to tens of thousands of kilometers, and their cumulative magnitudes are much bigger than any currents on Earth. For example, the ring current, with a strength of 2–4 million Amperes (MA), flows in closed loops in an equatorial current sheet out to distances of 60,000 kilometers and merges into the magnetotail current on the nightside beyond this distance. The strength of the tail current exceeds 10 MA and is closed at the dawn and dusk flanks of the magnetotail by the Chapman‐Ferraro current system of the magnetopause. Field-aligned currents flow between the ionosphere and magnetosphere along the background magnetic field with magnitudes of 1-3 MA.

How do the characteristics of electric current systems vary around other planets and heliospheric bodies?

Interestingly, electric currents organize themselves in similar fashion around planets having an ionosphere and a magnetosphere while being buffeted by the solar wind. In comparison to Earth, the ring currents at Saturn and Jupiter are about 10 and 90 MA, respectively, while the tail currents are greater than 10 and 70 MA, respectively. The large-scale field-aligned currents between ionosphere and magnetosphere can reach magnitudes of 6 and 60 MA at Saturn and Jupiter, respectively. In contrast, the Sun’s electric currents are orders of magnitude larger. For example, currents at the surface of the Sun near sunspots are typically 100,000-1,000,000 MA.
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Scientists use X-rays from faraway galaxy cluster to reveal secrets of plasma

Most visible matter in the universe doesn’t look like our textbook picture of a nucleus surrounded by tethered electrons. Out beyond our borders, inside massive clusters, galaxies swim in a sea of plasma—a form of matter in which electrons and nuclei wander unmoored.

Though it makes up the majority of the visible matter in the universe, this plasma remains poorly understood; scientists do not have a theory that fully describes its behavior, especially at small scales.

However, a University of Chicago astrophysicist led a study that provides a brand-new glimpse of the small-scale physics of such plasma. Using NASA’s Chandra X-ray Observatory, scientists took a detailed look at the plasma in a distant galaxy cluster and discovered the flow of plasma is much less viscous than expected and, therefore, turbulence occurs on relatively small scales—an important finding for our numerical models of the largest objects in the universe.

“High-resolution X-ray observations allowed us to learn some surprising truths about the viscosity of these plasmas,” said Irina Zhuravleva, an assistant professor of astrophysics and first author of the study, published June 17 in Nature Astronomy. “One might expect that variations in density that arise in the plasma are quickly erased by viscosity; however, we saw the opposite—the plasma finds ways to maintain them.”
the plasma does not maintain anything, plasma is itself maintained by electric charge, but they are getting there
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You have just read about two pathways in cellular respiration—glycolysis and the citric acid cycle—that generate ATP. However, most of the ATP generated during the aerobic catabolism of glucose is not generated directly from these pathways. Rather, it is derived from a process that begins with moving electrons through a series of electron transporters that undergo redox reactions: the electron transport chain. This causes hydrogen ions to accumulate within the matrix space. Therefore, a concentration gradient forms in which hydrogen ions diffuse out of the matrix space by passing through ATP synthase. The current of hydrogen ions powers the catalytic action of ATP synthase, which phosphorylates ADP, producing ATP.

The electron transport chain is the last component of aerobic respiration and is the only part of glucose metabolism that uses atmospheric oxygen. Oxygen continuously diffuses into plants; in animals, it enters the body through the respiratory system. Electron transport is a series of redox reactions that resemble a relay race or bucket brigade in that electrons are passed rapidly from one component to the next, to the endpoint of the chain where the electrons reduce molecular oxygen, producing water. There are four complexes composed of proteins, and the aggregation of these four complexes, together with associated mobile, accessory electron carriers, is called the electron transport chain. The electron transport chain is present in multiple copies in the inner mitochondrial membrane of eukaryotes and the plasma membrane of prokaryotes. Note, however, that the electron transport chain of prokaryotes may not require oxygen as some live in anaerobic conditions. The common feature of all electron transport chains is the presence of a proton pump to create a proton gradient across a membrane.
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RE: Space and Time
SUBTOPIC: EM Currents
⁜→ Killing Raven, et al,


Of course, the view of the Scientific Study of Plasma is (for lack of a better analogy) bifurcated. Plasma Cosmology is just like it sounds; → spanning from the Solar System, through the Galactic Level, and beyond in every direction at the Super-Intergalactic Level. And THEN, the concept of plasma extends into the Sub-Atomic Level in which the quark-gluon plasma plays a critical role. Included in this set of descriptions is the Birkeland Currents.

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the plasma does not maintain anything, plasma is itself maintained by electric charge, but they are getting there
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It is important to understand, that the more profound the investigation into plasma, the more characteristics emerge. To say that a given mass of plasma is a set of charged particles formed together in an "unbound" gaseous state - is relatively oversimplified. The parameters that are associated with the definition of plasma are much more than just the unbound gaseous state.

To the point: "the plasma does not maintain anything"

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this. However, as a routine test (the "Q" test) generates a displacement of ions and electrons. It generates a polarization charge. These charges form a plasma barrier (a "shield"). This is called "Debye Shielding." (My explanation is oversimplified, and a real physicist would fail me for such an explanation.) The dimension of the shield is known as the "Debye Length." This is not to be confused with the Plasma wavelength. The Debye Length is used to establish the cube by which the density of electrons is determined.

And I know next to nothing about this line of study. Plasma Physics is much more than I can chew. I would have to write a book to do each of the parameters justice.

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When the Cosmologist began talking about "dark matter" and "dark energy" - I became totally confused. I was under the impression that (overshadowing the Dark energy and matter) ≈ 95% of the material universe is in a plasma state. And that plasmon resonance accounts for the inability to detect the missing matter and energy. But again, this is outside my wheelhouse.

I absolutely agree - that plasmas have a huge impact on how we perceive the universe.
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Of course, the view of the Scientific Study of Plasma is (for lack of a better analogy) bifurcated. Plasma Cosmology is just like it sounds; → spanning from the Solar System, through the Galactic Level, and beyond in every direction at the Super-Intergalactic Level. And THEN, the concept of plasma extends into the Sub-Atomic Level in which the quark-gluon plasma plays a critical role. Included in this set of descriptions is the Birkeland Currents.
is it bifurcated or is it a spectrum? in the middle is ordinary matter, it is a dark mode plasma, its electrical activity is low but measureable

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It is important to understand, that the more profound the investigation into plasma, the more characteristics emerge. To say that a given mass of plasma is a set of charged particles formed together in an "unbound" gaseous state - is relatively oversimplified. The parameters that are associated with the definition of plasma are much more than just the unbound gaseous state.
plasma is best described by magnetohydrodynamics

To the point: "the plasma does not maintain anything"

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this.
the article implied that plasma was a fundamental force and ignored the role the electric force plays in animating plasma, in my opinion that is willful obfuscation
 

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RE: Space and Time
SUBTOPIC: EM Currents
⁜→ Killing Raven, et al,

These are very good questions/questionable implications.

is it bifurcated or is it a spectrum? in the middle is ordinary matter, it is a dark mode plasma, its electrical activity is low but measureable
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Maybe I could have written this more clearly.

The study (Scientific Study of Plasma) can be viewed from the perspective of (1) the very small structures [subatomic • quark-gluon plasma (QGP)] where the protons and neutrons liquify and the electrons are energized to such a degree that they are no longer held to a nucleus of an atom; and, (2) the high energy in frequency and temperature.

Remember, plasma has a string of necessary frequencies (Plasma, Cyclotron, Collision) as well as the deBroglie "wavelength" that must be considered. And there is much more to this than I can explain. There is plasma activity in the Direct Current (ie 0 Hz) range. The RF range ≈ 20 KHz - 300 GHz. And again, considerations of Plasma in the QGP range and beyond the RF range are lightyears outside my wheelhouse.

plasma is best described by magnetohydrodynamics
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Hmmm... MHD is a theory of plasma dynamics in which the plasma is treated as a fluid. But at the point when you superheat an element and you strip away the electrons - and - melt the nucleus - displacing the weak force and the strong force - an entirely new realm is achieved.

the article implied that plasma was a fundamental force and ignored the role the electric force plays in animating plasma, in my opinion that is willful obfuscation
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I am unsure if it is a "fundamental force" or a condition where the weak and strong forces combine into something new, or what"?"

I consider this an exciting topic and could drag us into a greater understanding of the forces that might constitute magic.
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Hmmm... MHD is a theory of plasma dynamics in which the plasma is treated as a fluid. But at the point when you superheat an element and you strip away the electrons - and - melt the nucleus - displacing the weak force and the strong force - an entirely new realm is achieved.
this seems like wild speculation, are you talking about cern? plasma is no new realm, its a simple electrical effect, Birkeland explained it well i think

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I am unsure if it is a "fundamental force" or a condition where the weak and strong forces combine into something new, or what"?"

I consider this an exciting topic and could drag us into a greater understanding of the forces that might constitute magic.
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sorry, i dont believe in the weak/strong force fairy tale, its just more posturing to avoid simple truth, the structure forms in layers and is organized like plasma does, the SAFIRE experiment illustrates the effect nicely, although not a direct correlation to the atomic structure...

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