Book Discussion Has anyone read "Io Typhon" by Harper Feist?

I heard about it and was intrigued. Not putting it in the book requests because it seems to have been a from 2023/4 without a digital version If someone on here happened to get it, did you work with it at all? What was your experience?

I have a copy, it’s sort of a devotional poem, not really a practical book to use. I’ve never resold a book before, but it would be my first to go!

I think it’s mainly a contemplative art piece to appreciate and contemplate if you’re into Feist’s style of things. I really prefer Don Webb’s and the Temple of Set’s approach to Set-Typhon more.

And to be honest, after buying it, I’m a little suspicious of what comes from Jack Grayle & Miskatonic books. I know in the ”rare occult book” world, Miskatonic is known to lowball sellers and then mark up a lot. All the re-prints of Hekataeon with more and more being added also seems like a carrot game.

ashlesha said:

I have a copy, it’s sort of a devotional poem, not really a practical book to use. I’ve never resold a book before, but it would be my first to go!

I think it’s mainly a contemplative art piece to appreciate and contemplate if you’re into Feist’s style of things. I really prefer Don Webb’s and the Temple of Set’s approach to Set-Typhon more.

And to be honest, after buying it, I’m a little suspicious of what comes from Jack Grayle & Miskatonic books. I know in the ”rare occult book” world, Miskatonic is known to lowball sellers and then mark up a lot. All the re-prints of Hekataeon with more and more being added also seems like a carrot game.

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Really appreciate this review! Sounds like it is not that worth it- I am picky about devotional poems and prefer making my own; I'd rather have books that speak to the practical side of things.

I feel a bit similarly with Samuel David's stuff; I know Grayle/Miskatonic published books he wrote on Inanna and Tammuz/Dumuzid. I haven't read those but his Rod & Ring leaned a lot more purely devotional than I was expecting. Not bad if that's what you're looking for, but it wasn't for me.

I have worked with the Hekataeon and found it useful, though. And it seems like there is finally a "standard edition" for it instead of the limited runs.

glaive said:

I feel a bit similarly with Samuel David's stuff; I know Grayle/Miskatonic published books he wrote on Inanna and Tammuz/Dumuzid. I haven't read those but his Rod & Ring leaned a lot more purely devotional than I was expecting. Not bad if that's what you're looking for, but it wasn't for me.

I have worked with the Hekataeon and found it useful, though. And it seems like there is finally a "standard edition" for it instead of the limited runs.

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I think a devotional aspect to one's practice adds a LOT, but it really needs a lot of personal passion and extra research to get into. I don't think a lot of the "rare" books on the matters really add a lot to people's personal devotion. It's more like fluff for collectors, sycophants, and armchair magicians.

That's great that they now have a standard edition for Hekateon. I didn't find it all too useful, since I usually go back to the PGM & Jason Miller's material for working with her, which is a little easier overall

Have you worked the rituals in Hekateon?

ashlesha said:

I think a devotional aspect to one's practice adds a LOT, but it really needs a lot of personal passion and extra research to get into. I don't think a lot of the "rare" books on the matters really add a lot to people's personal devotion. It's more like fluff for collectors, sycophants, and armchair magicians.

That's great that they now have a standard edition for Hekateon. I didn't find it all too useful, since I usually go back to the PGM & Jason Miller's material for working with her, which is a little easier overall

Have you worked the rituals in Hekateon?

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Yes, exactly! I would rather work on my own "rare" book of devotional material than use others' for the most part, lol.

I've done some of the Hekataeon rituals, but after I found Jason Miller's Hekate course on here, I started doing that more extensively. It is a bit easier to get into, at least it does not require horse skulls! I've gotten the most use out of the Hekataeon for 1) inspo for remixing PGM spells and 2) using the sigils to call on specific aspects of Hekate when needed. I often prefer to make my own sigils as well, but these ones do seem to work for me.

glaive said:

Yes, exactly! I would rather work on my own "rare" book of devotional material than use others' for the most part, lol.

I've done some of the Hekataeon rituals, but after I found Jason Miller's Hekate course on here, I started doing that more extensively. It is a bit easier to get into, at least it does not require horse skulls! I've gotten the most use out of the Hekataeon for 1) inspo for remixing PGM spells and 2) using the sigils to call on specific aspects of Hekate when needed. I often prefer to make my own sigils as well, but these ones do seem to work for me.

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The leaked material for Grayle’s PGM course was really useful for me to make my own rites in the same way. Stuff like horses heads and all the material required really got in the way of moving forward with the Hekateon, and didn’t really offer much to add in my life that I couldn’t achieve on my own or with my other practices.

I really like Jason Miller’s style of orientation! It blends much more with the stuff I’m already into. How long have you been keeping up with it? I took the course at the start of 2022 or 2023 and found it to be an amazing companion throughout my practice.

ashlesha said:

The leaked material for Grayle’s PGM course was really useful for me to make my own rites in the same way. Stuff like horses heads and all the material required really got in the way of moving forward with the Hekateon, and didn’t really offer much to add in my life that I couldn’t achieve on my own or with my other practices.

I really like Jason Miller’s style of orientation! It blends much more with the stuff I’m already into. How long have you been keeping up with it? I took the course at the start of 2022 or 2023 and found it to be an amazing companion throughout my practice.

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I have been doing it since around July! I'm taking it slow, have worked through a little over half of the first SoH course, and am liking it a lot. I feel like it's helped boost my practice in general more than I expected. I'd struggled doing anything daily in the past, but I've stuck with the mantra and have started adding additional "dailies" to it as well.

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These are both quite interesting reviews. While I tire of the "couture" limited-release esoteric book scene nowadays, something devotional/akin to spiritual liturgy sort of makes sense in this context (at least the attention to detail with how it's bound, and etc). That said, I'd like to see more on legitimate strains of drakonian/ophidian currents being published beyond the usual we've seen for the past 15 years or so.

Typhon in particular is an intriguing abyssal spirit/god/titan, especially when one considers his syncretic merging with Set/Sutekh in the PGM materials. One of the more interesting and hardcore strains of this very notion I personally practiced over a decade ago (the Draconian Setianism of the Misanthropic Luciferian Order, know known as the Temple of the Black Light) in which Set and Apep have a very unique sort of relationship with one another, almost as if Apep is invoked as a kind of adverse Khem-ian variant of Shakti, empowering He-Who-Stands-Alone (Set and, by proxy via invocation, the aspirant themselves).

glaive said:

I have been doing it since around July! I'm taking it slow, have worked through a little over half of the first SoH course, and am liking it a lot. I feel like it's helped boost my practice in general more than I expected. I'd struggled doing anything daily in the past, but I've stuck with the mantra and have started adding additional "dailies" to it as well.

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I can't remember where Jason said it, but in one of the courses he states that the core nature of the Hekatean practice that was revealed to him are the 4 fixed behenian stars that he put on his book Protection & Reversal Magic. Antares, Aldebaran, Spica, and Regulus. So while a lot of the PGM material are basic curses or blessings, taking her on in the mandala elevates your life in so many different directions. I recently did the Grand Rite again (I usually do it once or twice a year) and she pointed out 3 or 4 different MAJOR life turns I had in the past 3 years that she herself took credit for. Really amazing!!!

Thee Nightfool said:

These are both quite interesting reviews. While I tire of the "couture" limited-release esoteric book scene nowadays, something devotional/akin to spiritual liturgy sort of makes sense in this context (at least the attention to detail with how it's bound, and etc). That said, I'd like to see more on legitimate strains of drakonian/ophidian currents being published beyond the usual we've seen for the past 15 years or so.

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Completely agree, which is why I find the work by Don Webb and the Temple of Set more compelling for embodying the same aim that Peter Mark Adams says for embodying the current of Set, while keeping the material very grounded in a sober view of left-hand mysticism. Webb's Seven Faces of Darkness is essentially a mini grimoire for Set that embodies what Feist went for in a much more practical approach, rather than poetic invocations with nothing else. As for Frater Acher, I haven't really liked much of what he has published, except Black Abbot White Magic. His writing style is very flowery and looks deep, but the essential message of all of his writing is generally superficial to me.

If I broke down his review for IO Typhon it just props up the book as a way for disenfranchised people to find comfort in taking on a current of chaos & desire. Not really that much different than how the average person comes into modern Luciferianism. Adam's review has way more depth!