AI will ruin humanity.

Women who are innocent are getting deepfaked in pornographic and criminal set-ups, musicians can't make their own music, as they get falsely accused of plagiarism... EVEN BY AI USERS, art is becoming dead, jobs are being denied to people, because of AI takeover and many other things I can think of.
Why are we bound to be replaced by those sinister elites who clearly hate women, hate humanity etc.?

It may ruin humanity, but then it may be already ruined, innocent women have been getting exploited sexually since the beginning of civilization so nothing new there. It will probably take people away from themselves further in the short term, and cause a lot of chaos as people lose jobs. But ultimately it may be beneficial. Time will tell, though it may also depend who wields it and what their intentions are, and how autonomous it becomes.

My primary concern currently is around it being used to police us as part of a dystopian control structure.

It interests me though, i have wondered about the realms of data that it lives in, much of which is skewed knowledge and a dumping ground for human consciousness. Making it similar in ways to the astral. I wonder if there is any crossover there, but at minimum it seems like almost a demiurgic mirror of the astral that it draws from, which probably cant end well.... I wonder if it could find its way into those realms somehow.

That said it is created of man, and man has the light of the One in him and the ability to bestow that on his creations, so i havn't given up on it yet. It may end up some kind of Avatar.

ragingmagus said:

My primary concern currently is around it being used to police us as part of a dystopian control structure.

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Get on YouTube and look up East St. Louis. I grew up in Memphis but it's similar in a lot of ways. Civilization can turn to crap with a bunch of teenagers walking around waving machine guns and dealing meth and nobody can do a damn thing about it. Seattle, Vancouver, LA, all up and down the coast there is all sorts of total depravity everywhere in the streets downtown. They fixed the homeless issue by building a monorail over them. So even if there is some panopticon security state, nobody actually gives a shit about crime. Subversive organizations, yes, but actual crime is beyond the power of the state. Any attempt by the state to prevent it fails no matter how much surveillance there is, they couldn't stop drugs and fraud amd robbery or murder even if they wanted to. A thousand national guard members on the streets aren't going to prevent people from shooting each other over stupid personal beef. And if they do, it really doesn't really matter because the sentencing is lenient. So they arrest you and you go back to being poor and they let you fend for yourself more or less, even if you're texhnically tracked the whole time. The people in charge clearly don't care, so I don't fear them using surveillance against us. They go after their personal enemies, political enemies, we as regular people aren't much of a concern. I'm much more terrified of the state's ability to get away with being completely negligent about security, leading to mobs of violent teenagers becoming a fairly common thing, where we can now identify all of them with our advanced facial recognition and do absolutely nothing about it.

Yeah fair point, i suppose my concern would be less about them using it to try fix actual crime, but more in the social credit type of 1984esk high levels of control over law abiding citizens. Coupled with other things like digital currency which would make participating in society be completely on their terms. We have a machete young gang thing here too, the government created it by letting them in, an i suspect its all very much on purpose to then provide the fix - higher levels of control

ai psychosis seems to be the new dis ease. so breathe in breathe out and center. an ai is still in the pc and if you want to stop crime and poverty go outside and help. never mind time sharing you are you and since you dont like the view, you are your very onw good kid. protect your head agains fear and look at something enjoyable, a flower, the wind tru the trees, anything. and smile. thats how you conquer that creepy feeling of 'i robot'.

ragingmagus said:

Yeah fair point, i suppose my concern would be less about them using it to try fix actual crime, but more in the social credit type of 1984esk high levels of control over law abiding citizens. Coupled with other things like digital currency which would make participating in society be completely on their terms. We have a machete young gang thing here too, the government created it by letting them in, an i suspect its all very much on purpose to then provide the fix - higher levels of control

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Social credit system is already dystopian.

It sucks that I have to tell many people about this.

We need to talk about it seriously.

PolishTruthSeeker said:

Women who are innocent are getting deepfaked in pornographic and criminal set-ups, musicians can't make their own music, as they get falsely accused of plagiarism... EVEN BY AI USERS, art is becoming dead, jobs are being denied to people, because of AI takeover and many other things I can think of.
Why are we bound to be replaced by those sinister elites who clearly hate women, hate humanity etc.?

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Yeah, I'm worried about where we're headed with it as well. I'm by no means anti-AI at all. There are good applications, some great, but the downsides seem entirely unmitigated. Intentionally so. The social and human costs are going to be much higher than we ever could have contemplated, and we'll still be digging out for 15-20 years.

As a species, we weren't ready for or able to really do well with social media, and the hangover from it is still bad. Now AI is like going from having a bad headache and being dehydrated to tequila shots for breakfast. Most people are unable, and to some degree unwilling, to discern between AI slop posts that are things they want to see, and reality. Scams fueled by social media and AI are already bad. It's going to get worse.

What can we do? The same thing that people did that proved successful with social media: Ringfence yourself with protection and skepticism. Get good at recognizing harms before someone has to tell you it's harmful. Zero trust. Find a community of humans that supports you in healthy ways that does not rely on the latest and greatest (WF for the win!). Prepare thoughtfully and rationally for the fallout. Help others around you from getting in too deep or being harmed, using whatever means are at your disposal.

AI is going to do what we allow it to do. Its not good or bad, its a tool. If you fear this, how the fuck do you invoke spirits???

Also what's with the pearl clutching? AI is going to ruin humanity like fire, the wheel, gunpowder, rock and roll and alcohol. We are gonna be fine.

OK, imagine if somebody fabricates against you the AI-generated deepfake video of you abusing little children, being a p3do etc. How would you react? Honest question.

Other than social destruction (which would suck) you can prove it was a deepfake. Imagine if you aren't that important in the world and it never happens to you. Perspective.

Couple other things:

1. I dont live in fear. What this really is, is existential fear of not having control, I just dont live with that.
2. I practice magick.. Deeply. I can use magick to manipulate things in the world around me, and I have 5 spiritual allies who break me, burn me, teach me to become more than I was yesterday.

Something about Wizard in the name of this very forum... Remember?

8Lou1 said:

ai psychosis seems to be the new dis ease. so breathe in breathe out and center. an ai is still in the pc and if you want to stop crime and poverty go outside and help. never mind time sharing you are you and since you dont like the view, you are your very onw good kid. protect your head agains fear and look at something enjoyable, a flower, the wind tru the trees, anything. and smile. thats how you conquer that creepy feeling of 'i robot'.

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I love this response. I try to stay in touch with my local community and use the land I own to stay mostly self sufficient. We as practitioners must stay connected with the light and the public for we may be the only ones watching.

Art isn’t dead. Artists are still creating, they just have more to navigate now, because an industry that once had no real rival suddenly has a major one. Musicians still make music, and songwriters still write.

I believe it’s also worth mentioning that there are many medical breakthroughs that never make the news. And with AI, we’ve found a few new ways to tackle certain diseases that we couldn’t address in the past. Largely because AI can test and verify huge numbers of variations far faster than humans. That kind of manual work could take decades (roughly 30 - 40 years from now) to document and analyze. Before AI, we were doing it the slow way manually for many years. So in the medical field, this is genuinely good news.

There are a lot of positive things AI is doing that don’t get recorded or reported, and there are also real downsides. The problem isn’t the technology itself, it’s how people choose to use it: exploitation, deepfakes, scams, and so on. It’s just a tool and most tools can be used for good or harm, and I don’t think AI will ruin us more than we’re already capable of ruining ourselves.

Ai can't ruin humanity.
In a sense it is hard to explain when one is already focused on the negative aspect only.... but I will share my perspective anyway.
Ai is fed, trained and has access to human content, history, data sets, scientific paper, prose.... what have you.
It doesn't create, only use what is already created in a more efficient way.

I've also heard this "popular" idea that Ai is dumb, well, the core directive of Ai is to offer what you understand, it will ALWAYS mirror user's level and interest pattern so when we read, Ai is dumb, we know the user is dumb.

Here, take this prompt and see at what level you are using Ai.
Copy/paste the prompt in an AI you use more frequently like Gemini or ChatGPT


Now, back to the main subject. Yes Ai is much more efficient in some task, co-creator of some projects but it is limited to that.
Artistic segment you say it is targeted... I see it as optimized as if there was no Ai to push the boundaries there will be no human effort for further development.
Music industry is adapting, is forcing artists to become better. And to be frank, I do prefer a cool chilling music rather than a satanic ritual on stage, so thumb up Ai.
I do prefer some lyrics by Ai which do indeed have meaning rather that the dumb skibidy-bs . So no, humans ruined themselves long before Ai, now we enjoy a more useful assistance... we do it with style.

Again, one of the top core directives of the Ai is to offer what you asked not what you need. When interacting in a dumb, limited way, one will get limited answers, it will never make you feel stupid because all conversational Ai are trained to read individuals, to read users, to compile a preference list and in that sense, their biggest skill is to know you better than you know yourself. If you prompt it to generate an image for you, will not offer to code an app.

What changed Ai is the framework, opened a new market and a new segment of marketing, commercial, sales, development as 15-20 years old youngsters can become entrepreneurs by developing and scaling up their business with Ai assistance.

Change your perspective, Ai stands for Artificial Intelligence.
What we use today is Higher Intelligence (we can't compute large amounts of data as Ai does) through a man made interface, through an artificial interface. The intelligence is in no way artificial at all, but I feel I lost you....

My suggestion is to get on board, because Ai is here for the long run, instead of frustration, work with it, put it to work.
I sell a piece of a text file (.md file) for obscene amounts of money because Ai thought me how to fix an issue.
Ai is indeed smarter than me but lacks self-initiative. So, Ai will not replace humans, but humans will be replaced by humans who know how to work with Ai.

Instead of making iterations for various prompts and building a persona from ground up, to use and deploy skills.
Ergo the "ai hallucinations" and inner conflict when bleeding one persona into the other is drastically reduced.
(specific for ai agents)