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My journey with traditional witchcraft has been, frankly, underwhelming. I learned to perform “desesperos” using candles, and—guided by an elderly woman—I even attempted an “amarre” (binding ritual) to Saint Anthony. It achieved one goal: stopping someone from leaving the country; however, it never restored my connection with that person, which was my real intent. I also tried a “retorno” spell (to bring that person back) with a green bottle and candle, but saw no results. So, my experiences so far have been mixed at best. I suspect part of the issue is that I struggle to fully grasp how these practices are supposed to function, which might influence their effectiveness for me—but that’s just my own hypothesis. For anyone interested, the specific rituals I mentioned can be found in Karen Lara’s “Recetario de magia blanca.”

After those forays, I shifted to what I now call “faux Goetia,” working with the Gallery of Magick books like “Demons of Magick,” and moved away from folk witchcraft entirely. That was, until just last week, when I met—through a friend—a woman who practices with tobacco and Santa Muerte. Her approach is incredibly straightforward: she smokes a large Cuban cigar while praying to Santa Muerte.

This got me thinking (as I often do) about the mechanics, meanings, and implications behind these practices. One thing about folk magic is that you often find yourself in the position of a supplicant—ultimately asking for a favor with no guarantee it will be granted. While I understand this dynamic, it doesn’t fully sit right with me. So I began to wonder: is it possible to approach Santa Muerte in the same way magicians evoke Goetic spirits, rather than simply beseeching her?

This line of questioning brings up a lot of difficult, possibly unanswerable, questions for me. Is Santa Muerte analogous to Azrael, the angel of death? If that’s the case, perhaps she could be worked with as one would with angelic spirits (for instance, using tools like the Almadel). If not, is she more of a chthonic entity to be treated as a spirit that must be compelled or coerced? Would traditional divine names like Adonay, YHWH, or AGLA have any authority over her? The cult of Santa Muerte is highly syncretic: sometimes she’s venerated alongside other saints or the Catholic God, other times the practice resembles hoodoo infused with elements from the orishas.

To be clear, I have no intentions to act on these ideas without better understanding—they’re purely speculative thoughts, not plans. I’m not about to risk disrespecting Santa Muerte. I just wanted to share this train of thought, lay it all out, and see what insights others might have. Beyond the basics, I admit I know very little about Santa Muerte herself.
 

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There was a member on the old WF who worked with her a lot. Here's one of the archives threads for example:

 

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This book by Warlock Asylum is a must have. It explains the basic symbolism and syncretism, along with some deep biblical and gnostic stuff. You'll be blown away. It's not a step by step grimoire though. I can't recommend it enough.

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My journey with traditional witchcraft has been, frankly, underwhelming. I learned to perform “desesperos” using candles, and—guided by an elderly woman—I even attempted an “amarre” (binding ritual) to Saint Anthony. It achieved one goal: stopping someone from leaving the country; however, it never restored my connection with that person, which was my real intent. I also tried a “retorno” spell (to bring that person back) with a green bottle and candle, but saw no results. So, my experiences so far have been mixed at best. I suspect part of the issue is that I struggle to fully grasp how these practices are supposed to function, which might influence their effectiveness for me—but that’s just my own hypothesis. For anyone interested, the specific rituals I mentioned can be found in Karen Lara’s “Recetario de magia blanca.”

After those forays, I shifted to what I now call “faux Goetia,” working with the Gallery of Magick books like “Demons of Magick,” and moved away from folk witchcraft entirely. That was, until just last week, when I met—through a friend—a woman who practices with tobacco and Santa Muerte. Her approach is incredibly straightforward: she smokes a large Cuban cigar while praying to Santa Muerte.

This got me thinking (as I often do) about the mechanics, meanings, and implications behind these practices. One thing about folk magic is that you often find yourself in the position of a supplicant—ultimately asking for a favor with no guarantee it will be granted. While I understand this dynamic, it doesn’t fully sit right with me. So I began to wonder: is it possible to approach Santa Muerte in the same way magicians evoke Goetic spirits, rather than simply beseeching her?

This line of questioning brings up a lot of difficult, possibly unanswerable, questions for me. Is Santa Muerte analogous to Azrael, the angel of death? If that’s the case, perhaps she could be worked with as one would with angelic spirits (for instance, using tools like the Almadel). If not, is she more of a chthonic entity to be treated as a spirit that must be compelled or coerced? Would traditional divine names like Adonay, YHWH, or AGLA have any authority over her? The cult of Santa Muerte is highly syncretic: sometimes she’s venerated alongside other saints or the Catholic God, other times the practice resembles hoodoo infused with elements from the orishas.

To be clear, I have no intentions to act on these ideas without better understanding—they’re purely speculative thoughts, not plans. I’m not about to risk disrespecting Santa Muerte. I just wanted to share this train of thought, lay it all out, and see what insights others might have. Beyond the basics, I admit I know very little about Santa Muerte herself.
As a consecrated muertero, or one who respects, worships and practices Santa Muerte, I can say this: She cannot be approached through, so to say, regular ceremonial magick. She is a primal force in Her essence, and at the same time, as Absinthe most excellently put it, She is your own personal death. As a primal, or a force of nature, She can be addressed solely and I repeat, solely through prayers and devotion.
One aspect that is crucial to understand is this: She is completely indifferent to our desires, requests or troubles. In the end, it is all a zero sum game to Her, and that is precisely why we can hope that She will grant our requests; it is all the same to Her.
That said, there is a similarity between working with Her and other Spirits: it is a constantly building relationship based on respect. You cannot expect that She will grant your desire the moment you set up an altar to Her; it takes time. Not just respect to Her alone, but to all things related to Death; there are some individuals who wrote books about working with Death that involve digging out bones, working with them, commanding the dead etc; in Santa Muerte, such things are taboo, and can only end in bitter tears.
So to sum it up, Her cult, as the other often misunderstood cult/religion of Quimbanda, is a means to gradually know thyself, not a means for granting desires and whims.
If you keep that in your mind, and approach Her with respect, you can develop a very succesful relationship.
 

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Janel Longoria has a ton of free info on Santa Muerte.
is it possible to approach Santa Muerte in the same way magicians evoke Goetic spirits, rather than simply beseeching her?
Not like christian ceremonial magickians, no.
Is Santa Muerte analogous to Azrael
no. They have some similiar functions, but they are different entities, like how the major of Boston is not the major of Baghdad.
is she more of a chthonic entity to be treated as a spirit that must be compelled or coerced? Would traditional divine names like Adonay, YHWH, or AGLA have any authority over her?
no.
The cult of Santa Muerte is highly syncretic: sometimes she’s venerated alongside other saints or the Catholic God, other times the practice resembles hoodoo infused with elements from the orishas.
And some folks worship her as an Aztec Goddess, and some Demonolaters venerate her along with, and in the same fashion as, qlipothic demons. And i'm sure there are a bunch more approaches I don't know about.


If you want a relationship with her, i'd suggest divination on whether she's interested, how its likely to turn out, and what the best approach would be.
 

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So to sum it up, Her cult, as the other often misunderstood cult/religion of Quimbanda, is a means to gradually know thyself, not a means for granting desires and whims.
Well i’m not really interested in self knowledge atm. I’m interested in results.

If you want a relationship with her, i'd suggest divination on whether she's interested, how its likely to turn out, and what the best approach would be.
I wish I wasn’t shit at tarot divination.
 

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I wish I wasn’t shit at tarot divination.
If tarot isn't doing it for you, try the pendulum. There are all kinds of free dowsing charts available online that you can print, or draw them out yourself.
 

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Well i’m not really interested in self knowledge atm. I’m interested in results.


I wish I wasn’t shit at tarot divination.
You won't see fast results with La Flaquita.
 
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