[Help] Astral Projection.

[Shade]

About a month ago I kept getting the urge that my legs were falling when laying in bed, sort of like in a dream you get the falling sensation, only this was wide awake just reading or listening to music.
I have had some astral projections experiences but never have I felt it in that way, it’s usually during asleep paralysis where I can move a part Of my body out. I dedicated 2 days to full o my meditation, I think I slept maybe 3 hours total the rest was meditation. All chakra points till it felt like every part of my body was fried, then I relaxed and tried to let my body just lift up or out (mimicking the sensation I had in my legs) but to no avail. I know that the process can take many hours to do so I plan to keep trying when days permit but if anyone has any suggestions that’d be great.
to give an idea what it feels like, the sacral and root chakra is extremely tense, I move the sensation up, I can’t get to my heart so I start from head to neck (it’s more like top of forehead, beginning on left and right side and making a tangle down to put pressure on my forehead, after a while the pressure moves up my head, after I get the Sensation to go to the back of spine and throat) then meet in the middle in the heart from sacral to throat in order to get that sensation. ) idk if that help clarifies anything I may be missing,
the only extreme one I had was similar to being in a void during an NDE. the astral projection process seems to get skipped out. any insight would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Konsciencia]

That sounds awesome!!! But what are you trying to achieve? I didn't quite understand where you was getting at.

 

[Xardas]

This sounds very interesting. I have to admit that I have not tried astral projection yet, but I know how it is with soul travel, which is a slightly different matter and a bit safer for beginners.

 

[Shade]

That sounds awesome!!! But what are you trying to achieve? I didn't quite understand where you was getting at.

I didn’t know at first, I had the experience during sleep paralysis, then I literally died. Few years later and the experiences were close. Not the same but similiar, I then… regretfully admit I swore id figure out what it was I felt. In the void so I took enough “meds” to experience death, I had a trusted friend who did his best to bring me back but to no avail. /@@ I heard in that void that then was @jtx not yet his time” I heard someone talking about OBE’s and NDEE’s and he mentioned the void.. j never heard anyone mention the void excsept for seeing @the white light or tunnel, but he didn’t say that and k didn’t experience that, his exact words were “it feels like your going home home” and myrxa t thought were “oh I’ve been here before, I’m going home” an amalgamation of all this including the sinking feeling med me Tj be more serious about astral projection and as mentioned before I’ve ev
exoeruevced this state uh meditation. nkt just during dearh, i husr want to know, how do I existence inbetween the void and that if the living. I can give in with Bectskfez about experiences buf fgDs the that of it.

 

[Konsciencia]

I didn’t know at first, I had the experience during sleep paralysis, then I literally died. Few years later and the experiences were close. Not the same but similiar, I then… regretfully admit I swore id figure out what it was I felt. In the void so I took enough “meds” to experience death, I had a trusted friend who did his best to bring me back but to no avail. /@@ I heard in that void that then was @jtx not yet his time” I heard someone talking about OBE’s and NDEE’s and he mentioned the void.. j never heard anyone mention the void excsept for seeing @the white light or tunnel, but he didn’t say that and k didn’t experience that, his exact words were “it feels like your going home home” and myrxa t thought were “oh I’ve been here before, I’m going home” an amalgamation of all this including the sinking feeling med me Tj be more serious about astral projection and as mentioned before I’ve ev
exoeruevced this state uh meditation. nkt just during dearh, i husr want to know, how do I existence inbetween the void and that if the living. I can give in with Bectskfez about experiences buf fgDs the that of it.

Oh yeah, when I was in prison. There was a time where I have died too. Yes... The Void is real. However, my own version of the Void, was pure white. It was like I was The Light itself. I would see images of AI and other stuff I can't remember right now. But yeah, that was one hell of an experience. But when I died, it didn't feel like I've died. It felt like I popped out of my body. Then, I came back without a struggle. One of the best experiences I've had.

 

[Shade]

Oh yeah, when I was in prison. There was a time where I have died too. Yes... The Void is real. However, my own version of the Void, was pure white. It was like I was The Light itself. I would see images of AI and other stuff I can't remember right now. But yeah, that was one hell of an experience. But when I died, it didn't feel like I've died. It felt like I popped out of my body. Then, I came back without a struggle. One of the best experiences I've had.

I experienced something similar in seg, they leave the light on 24/7feed you once a day a mixture of all 3 meals called “loaf” and in that experience you rather crack or you leave your body, and it is an esthetic experience. It’s different than the void But it’s… reminiscent
after a few weeks you lose track of time you lose track of everything, like sll ego, you question everything till you are laying there with your thought and not sure if they are real and you have an experience I think very few people can actually relate to. It’s kinda cool knowing someone else has experienced that version.

 

[Konsciencia]

I experienced something similar in seg, they leave the light on 24/7feed you once a day a mixture of all 3 meals called “loaf” and in that experience you rather crack or you leave your body, and it is an esthetic experience. It’s different than the void But it’s… reminiscent
after a few weeks you lose track of time you lose track of everything, like sll ego, you question everything till you are laying there with your thought and not sure if they are real and you have an experience I think very few people can actually relate to. It’s kinda cool knowing someone else has experienced that version.

Wow!!! I guess I am not the only one!!

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Hey Shade, you wanna know something? I've had two dreams where I died and went to the other side in those dreams. They were insane, but I Love them.

 

[Asteriskos]

I experienced something similar in seg,

What is "seg" if I might ask?

 

[Konsciencia]

What is "seg" if I might ask?

It is segregation. It's where they place you in prison, when you do something wrong. So don't go there.

 

[Asteriskos]

It is segregation. It's where they place you in prison, when you do something wrong. So don't go there.

The military "brig" bad enough, no plans for "seg", thanks for the heads up!

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where I can move a part Of my body out.

If you haven't tried anything from Franz Bardon's book Initiation into Hermetics, there's some good exercises on "exteriorizing" an arm, etc. under full voluntary control, which eventually can lead to full projection. It's a tough course though. Been a long time back and I haven't finished it.
Just something that might be of some help.

 

[Mars]

About a month ago I kept getting the urge that my legs were falling when laying in bed, sort of like in a dream you get the falling sensation, only this was wide awake just reading or listening to music.
I have had some astral projections experiences but never have I felt it in that way, it’s usually during asleep paralysis where I can move a part Of my body out. I dedicated 2 days to full o my meditation, I think I slept maybe 3 hours total the rest was meditation. All chakra points till it felt like every part of my body was fried, then I relaxed and tried to let my body just lift up or out (mimicking the sensation I had in my legs) but to no avail. I know that the process can take many hours to do so I plan to keep trying when days permit but if anyone has any suggestions that’d be great.
to give an idea what it feels like, the sacral and root chakra is extremely tense, I move the sensation up, I can’t get to my heart so I start from head to neck (it’s more like top of forehead, beginning on left and right side and making a tangle down to put pressure on my forehead, after a while the pressure moves up my head, after I get the Sensation to go to the back of spine and throat) then meet in the middle in the heart from sacral to throat in order to get that sensation. ) idk if that help clarifies anything I may be missing,
the only extreme one I had was similar to being in a void during an NDE. the astral projection process seems to get skipped out. any insight would be greatly appreciated.

Do you hear sounds? It should sound like an old biplane starting up (piston engine) and then towards a jet engine. It should be so loud that it feels as if your eardrums explode. Then your body must vibrate from within. Your teeth clicking and heart literally pumping out of your chest or into the throat.

Also don't be afraid of dying in this state, actually this is the best state to be in when you die, because you are not surprised or "taken off guard" as if you die through an accident or suddenly. And you likely won't get deceived during the after death process.

Actually you need to surrender fully to it. You are not allowed to care if you die. Then it happens.

It is a very distinct pull in your neck. And you move how you would move your material body.

Yes lights and whatever appear either from above your visual field or from the sides. Like have you ever seen an Aurora in real life? This is how the light fades in. And once you see things you don't even recognise it, its so natural. And suddenly your room looks different or whatever. It is similar as if you make your vision go blurry and out of focus and then focus in. The same feeling, you feel it on your eyes.

Also stop with the drugs bullshit. You don't need anything to achieve this state. And if you need drugs to reach this state, you don't deserve to experience it.

 

[Shade]

Do you hear sounds? It should sound like an old biplane starting up (piston engine) and then towards a jet engine. It should be so loud that it feels as if your eardrums explode. Then your body must vibrate from within. Your teeth clicking and heart literally pumping out of your chest or into the throat.

That’s very good info to know, i haven't heard it as loud as an old plane but got to the point of something akin, it starts off ringing with a bit of vibration and then it starts getting deeper with more… “substance”? its More of a tangible sound, I get what you mean though, the few times I did pull part of my body out has been through sleep paralysis so that may be why I’m not accustom to the sound )I was way too focused on “oh sh- that’s my arm coming out of my arm“ sort of experience if ya get it lol. The vibration in the head was extremely intense but that felt more physical than coming with sounds in that instance. Looking back the extreme vibration could have came with the sound you mentioned, I just had a more textile thought process.

Will your heart still race even if you’ve given over fully/ is it a prerequisite? If so the only way I can think of getting my heart to race in these experiences would be excitement rather than fear. To induce fear I’d need to distract myself and that messes with the awareness of the present.

but as mentioned my greatest success has come from sleep paralysis and many people find that sensation (and sometimes visuals) frightening but knowing the process behind why it happens takes the fear out of it in my experience. Now it’s an excitement of knowing I can start to get my body out fully.
thanks in advance, the answers to these questions and any commentary on the experience will be a big help so I can modify my approach.

 

[Mars]

That’s very good info to know, i haven't heard it as loud as an old plane but got to the point of something akin, it starts off ringing with a bit of vibration and then it starts getting deeper with more… “substance”? its More of a tangible sound, I get what you mean though, the few times I did pull part of my body out has been through sleep paralysis so that may be why I’m not accustom to the sound )I was way too focused on “oh sh- that’s my arm coming out of my arm“ sort of experience if ya get it lol. The vibration in the head was extremely intense but that felt more physical than coming with sounds in that instance. Looking back the extreme vibration could have came with the sound you mentioned, I just had a more textile thought process.

Will your heart still race even if you’ve given over fully/ is it a prerequisite? If so the only way I can think of getting my heart to race in these experiences would be excitement rather than fear. To induce fear I’d need to distract myself and that messes with the awareness of the present.

but as mentioned my greatest success has come from sleep paralysis and many people find that sensation (and sometimes visuals) frightening but knowing the process behind why it happens takes the fear out of it in my experience. Now it’s an excitement of knowing I can start to get my body out fully.
thanks in advance, the answers to these questions and any commentary on the experience will be a big help so I can modify my approach.

Yes sleep paralysis is the best way to get into it. I developed a way to get into sleep paralysis regularly and learned so many things from it. An important factor is sound/ vibration. This explains why tibetan monks use those bowls to meditate or the "AUM" sound. Which I was able to hum during sleep paralysis and it sounded otherworldly.

I wouldn't have replied because there is so many phonies out there and people that lie to look good, but what you described with the arm, and in this detail made me realise you actually experienced it. So I wanted to give you my insights so you can go further. I had no one teach me or tell me any of this. No master or guru. So I am allowed to say whatever I learned. You won't learn this stuff anywhere except some very high circles.

I have never ever heard or read someone describe that. And yes I had this too. It's when you move your subtle body as opposed to your material one. My working thesis is, that your subtle body is fully integrated into your material one. And you move your subtle body which in turn moves the material one. But during sleep paralysis the signal to your material body is severed, hence when you try to move your material body is not moved, only the subtle one.

My other thesis is, that sleep paralysis activates the samsara reincarnation matrix. It sends a signal that your body is deprecated and request samsara. However receiver runs some checks and notices that this is a false request and drops it. As I noticed timeouts. 4 minutes is the longest I was able to be in sleep paralysis until I was forcefully pushed out. I think it's a fail safe.

However when you manage to sheath out the body it can't push you in again without you wanting too. And you enter astral travel or whatever. I use this state sometimes for remote viewing as I can fully get everything. But its super nasty too.

When you die it is exactly like sleep paralysis. And you see yourself getting pulled out of the neck. As this is the easiest method to get out of the material body or out of dream bodies. As dreams happen on the astral plain and your subtle body inhabits whatever dream body.

The heart racing happens because of excitement I guess. However it seems to be a phantom feeling. It felt as if the heart was racing but I didn't felt the blood pumping as fast as the heart beated. Same with the teeth shattering and clicking. I think this happens when the subtle body gets out of sync with the material one. As matter is just collapsed energy vibrating differently.

I sometimes have sleep paralysis 16 times a night, I get in and out because I want to experiment. One of the things that I find weird is that never ever was I able to see the beings when I conciously entered this state. The beings only appear during "natural" sleep paralysis. Which makes me wonder if either the beings can induce it, or if your subtle body gets scared, when you are dreaming, and desperately wants to get back into the body again.

As one of my methods to induce sleep paralysis is to abort dreams. Its the most reliable one. So I get to sleep -> dream -> abort dream -> sleep paralysis.

And because the dream was aborted to quickly and connection not yet fully established to the material body, you are in that limbo state (sleep paralysis).

 

[Shade]

Yes sleep paralysis is the best way to get into it. I developed a way to get into sleep paralysis regularly and learned so many things from it. An important factor is sound/ vibration. This explains why tibetan monks use those bowls to meditate or the "AUM" sound. Which I was able to hum during sleep paralysis and it sounded otherworldly.

I used to be able to enter sleep paralysis by laying flat on my back and putting my hands rather straight out or crossed over my chest but sadly it’s only like 10% of the time I can get on that state, Thanks for sharing your method.

wouldn't have replied because there is so many phonies out there and people that lie to look good, but what you described with the arm, and in this detail made me realise you actually experienced it. So I wanted to give you my insights so you can go further.

Thank you for replying, yes I usually don’t like asking for help in these matter specifically because many people make claims, wether true or not, they usually are a bit unhelpful (although o appreciate everyone’s insight). Your dream method sounds viable.
As far as seeing the beings I had that stop when I was laying in my spare bedroom )I have my sister and nephew my main room$ and o saw the shadow move slowly past my door, I wasn’t scared I was absolutely furious because I was thinking of my nephews safety, I didn’t close my eyes I ripped myself up as hard as I could and ran at it and still physically saw it move which by all accounts, doesn’t seem possible by any means, I thought they were a product you saw only actively in sleep paralysis. (He has or had, night terrors when he was a kid) since then sleep paralysis has become more rare and the figures don’t show anymore, it may be coincidence. But I can’t help but think of the 2 being related.
Thank you for sharing your thesis’s Mars, the way you explained the heart racing and teeth chattering makes a lot more sense now. I wonder if my blood was pumping faster but I was focusing it correctly and that’s what kept me laying down with the hard vibration in my mind, possibly with chakras pulling the energy up would provide a better experience, and you mentioned the back of your neck… are you referring to right above your throat to the back where it feels like the brain and spine connects?
I was first able to feel that recently during meditation so perhaps I just want ready at those moments in the past.
looks like I got a lot of work to do but with your info it gives me a guide. I appreciate that.

 

[Mars]

You are welcome! As long as this info doesn't find it's way paywalled in a book or somewhere else. Illumination should be free.


Regarding the neck, yes! The spine itself, probably the Atlas bone or similar. But it's difficult to locate. So don't get set that it has to be this and where they connect. But it is in the neck. Focusing on this area to relax also helps to get into a flow state. When I feel sleepy, the feeling always comes from the neck. And a certain lightness and rhythmically pulling (like a sine wave) happens there after exiting sleep paralysis.

With all those things my mindset is to assume things, but not to bend over backwards and "die on the hill" for it. I take things as "working assumptions" or "thesis" so I can advance and go forward. All these things, like Magic or remote viewing need a framework and very strict structure. So I create one based on my assumptions and experiences and go with it, but go back and change aspects. The fact that I never had anyone mention this except Paracelsus and Evola leads me to believe that 90% of the shit regarding magic and whatnot on the internet is false.

Like the episode you stated with your arm. Only someone that actually experiences this limbo state or astral projection can have this. Many people like to say "Oh it's different for everyone" but no it isn't. It is exactly the same.

I talked with so many people online and offline and they all say the same thing. Everyone has the same structures in dreams, everyone experiences sleep paralysis the same, everyone has the same wet dreams and so on.

Like my analogy with the Orange. An Italian says its an "Arancia" an anglo says its an "Orange". Now they can either fight and all think the term they have for it is the right one, or accept that they all describe the same, only the word differs.

Like in mathematics. You cannot speak with a chinese person linguistically if you are from the west. But you can "speak" with him through maths.

Magic, metaphysics or whatever also all speaks and works like this. New age with its poisonous egregore made people believe that it all is different for everyone. But they have been deceived by Maya. Imagine being tasked with explaining how a PC works. And you ask a little child, a 20 year old with no interest in electronics and then a 50 year old professor that teached electronics for 30 years and gets regularly commissioned to work for General Electrics or SpaceX.

And unfortunately, how it is, that when it comes to magic, metaphysically and so on, people only take the words of the "little child" for granted and think the professor is just "having an opinion".


Evola stated that those beings might be spirits of the deceased that kind of like a rogue computer virus go on and do shenanigans on the astral plain, and or that there are some of the "ascended masters" inbetween. That sometimes visit people to check out what's going on.

I do not have nightmares or night terrors anymore. Whenever it happens I become the nightmare. I turn it around. I see it as a challenge to turn the situation around. I often dream about Monsters and desaster. But I always look for ways to defeat them or outsmart them.

Don't become like Kyle Odom and think they will turn you into a slave and subjugate you. Be the one that subjugates them. I do recommend you, if you go further, to read Kyle Odom's manifesto. And to ground yourself in the uphanishads. As you will encounter very bizzare and horrific things while in those states and beyond. And it is easy to get consumed by it. Like Kyle Odom who ended up seeing reptilians everywhere and how they have a secret plan to keep humanity enslaved. He ended up going full schizo. If you want an example, one time I heard a voice announcing to me, while in this state: "Do you want to experience how the CIA breaks people?" -"yes" then I heard screams and sounds of people being violated, tortured and all that. In my room.

And I think this happens to some and then they start to believe they are "targeted" and whatnot. Or go crazy. But this is is just one aspect of existence. I also have episodes where cute catgirls sit on my lap and press their smelly feet into my face. With every sense stimulated as well. Touch, smell, arousal etc.

You are in control of this. Always. If something comes up that you don't like, challenge it. Fight it, or abort immediately. Don't assume you are surrendered to it and have to endure it. Often the negative episodes are here as like guardians or whatever. To test you before you get further. It is incredibly satisfying to fight this and win. The beings still give me troubles however. It is the immense sensation of fear they can introduce. And I will overcome this too. Get up and walk to them and look them straight into their glowing red eyes. Be like Alexander, but on the astral plain.

 

[Shade]

You are welcome! As long as this info doesn't find it's way paywalled in a book or somewhere else. Illumination should be free.

I concur, luckily WF has time stamps and is feemy accessible.

New age with its poisonous egregore made people believe that it all is different for everyone.

One thing that bothers me about the new age is the forced positivity without the heart backing it, it seems like their persona (their as in broad term, most not all) think of enlightenment as a “love all and always be positive”. In My view it’s a passive state, a state of authenticity. it Takes effort with the metaphysical body not just the outward spoken words (but I am a bad example of this as I can jump from extremes, so even I take what I say with a grain of salt I don’t work on it as I should) it’s like you are yourself but not who you have always gotten to know yourself as. Idk if that makes any sense at all, only way I can explain it, it’s not something I really enjoy, I like my vices of that makes sense.

Don't become like Kyle Odom and think they will turn you into a slave and subjugate you. Be the one that subjugates them. I do recommend you, if you go further, to read Kyle Odom's manifesto. And to ground yourself in the uphanishads. As you will encounter very bizzare and horrific things while in those states and beyond. And it is easy to get consumed by it.

Oh I’m never afraid of that, o have an adrenal gland issue, the more dangerous the situation the more I’m able to focus and it keeps my mind from racing. I will heed your advice though and read his manifesto.

You are in control of this. Always. If something comes up that you don't like, challenge it. Fight it, or abort immediately. Don't assume you are surrendered to it and have to endure it. Often the negative episodes are here as like guardians or whatever. To test you before you get further. It is incredibly satisfying to fight this and win.

No matter how bad things get one vice is I don’t give up if I’m really into something. (recently tore up my hand trying to land a sword trick and just wouldn’t give up, this comes into play with danger calming my mind and letting me focus on one thing but slowly I’ve been trying to use breathing meditations as a practice for calmness.
With kundalini or chakra meditation )wordage for me is odd I learn on the fly by practicing) I use a method where I am focusing on a few things at the same time And it’s worked amazingly.
Ya know how your body has that electromagnetic force around it? (Bare with me I’m sure you’ll understand even if many people don’t) I’ll feel the energy going up the root, sacral till it gets to my solar, but push down from the crown to my throat and have them meet at the hear center, but have the energy circulate, not just stay at the heart. Kinda like a toroidal field of a magnet
(idk.. it’s hard for people to get what I mean if they have a really hard time feeling energy or think of it as psychosomatic, when in reality, feeling Energy is a very tangible feeling and the method I described is a really euphoric experience.)

in regards to experiences I know what you mean about seemingly negative things being a guardian or for the best, I think of it as extremely ”bad” psychedelic experiences (which I’m not trying to compare them, when I saw my arm my mind was still sober. as opposed to when on psychedelics they mess with your thinking) When it comes to horrors though, there are a ton of new experiences that I’m eager to get acquainted with (in a healthy way) in the astral.

I’m eager to see what the astral is like in its entirety, being able to come face to face with forces that you know aren’t just a chemical con job of some hallucinogen. it sounds terrifyingly beautiful. new challenges to face and new experiences to grasp.

From what you’re saying it seems like the more “fear” you overcome the further you can explore and take in? (I don’t want to put words in your mouth)

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The. It giving up factor is my issue it seems, I’m having trouble surrendering.

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The not giving up factor is my problem it seems* it’s not so much fear as it is allowing myself to be paralyzed physically.

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Fear of surrender