Can you really be your own god?

[slim116]

Trying to understand LHP a bit better, not here to tear it down.

So LHP is about individuation, becoming your own divinity right?

Where you don't need others and you become greater than all the other "sheep"?

But how can one believe that when something simple such as the act of buying food from a store you have so much dependence on others. You are dependent on the store, the worker there, the truck drivers that brought the food, the factory workers that processed it, the farmers that grew it?

Just living in our specialised society, we are heavily reliant on others for goods and services.

Does that not feel like lying to yourself?

I say this because I thought LHP was great and thought it was the best way to approach life, but i got into conflict with a coworker and management threatened my job security, and realised dam, im not a god, im a small human, a cog in something bigger, and i need to play nice in the company so i can i keep my family fed and have a roof over our heads. A very humbling experience.

After that experience I felt like LHP goals were a delusion for me.

Am i misunderstanding the LHP?

And im talking more of the Western LHP which is more individuation. Not the Tantric Eastern LHP which is experiencing the divine through taboo.

 

[Keldan]

So many people misunderstand the concept of the LHP. At its core, it’s about individuality, making choices from your own center instead of living as a reaction to other people. Over time, that becomes individuation, as in you trust yourself more, and you grow into your own power with a solid sense of who you are. It’s not about being greater than anyone else.

Most books exaggerate this because the authors know some magick and then write as if they’re literal gods and goddesses. That creates an unrealistic godhood individuality that people mistake for LHP. But buying food from a store doesn’t disprove individuation. That’s material interdependence, and it’s part of living in a civilization. Interdependence is not the same as spiritual dependency.

The sheep mindset is also a trap. When LHP gets distorted, it becomes ego inflation as it makes you think “I’m superior, everyone else is a sheep.” That’s not individuation. That’s insecurity dressed up as ideology.

If you approached LHP expecting it to make you untouchable, then yes, that version is a delusion. If you approach LHP as a path of self-development, then a humbling experience at work doesn’t disprove it. It actually tests whether your practice is real. Real power isn’t the absence of limits, it’s the ability to navigate limits.

Individuation doesn’t mean you owe nobody anything. It means you stop owing your identity to fear and approval.

 

[magick&psionics]

you really have to like yourself in order for this to work out. enough to worship yourself/higher self at least. but yes you can gain god like powers

 

[Hastrologer]

Trying to understand LHP a bit better, not here to tear it down.

So LHP is about individuation, becoming your own divinity right?

Where you don't need others and you become greater than all the other "sheep"?

But how can one believe that when something simple such as the act of buying food from a store you have so much dependence on others. You are dependent on the store, the worker there, the truck drivers that brought the food, the factory workers that processed it, the farmers that grew it?

Just living in our specialised society, we are heavily reliant on others for goods and services.

Does that not feel like lying to yourself?

I say this because I thought LHP was great and thought it was the best way to approach life, but i got into conflict with a coworker and management threatened my job security, and realised dam, im not a god, im a small human, a cog in something bigger, and i need to play nice in the company so i can i keep my family fed and have a roof over our heads. A very humbling experience.

After that experience I felt like LHP goals were a delusion for me.

Am i misunderstanding the LHP?

And im talking more of the Western LHP which is more individuation. Not the Tantric Eastern LHP which is experiencing the divine through taboo.

Hello! I think you answered your own question. The moment you find yourself working to feed your family, then you discover you are not a god. You could become your own boss, though.

 

[magick&psionics]

theres a balance. youre not going to be able to change everything with LHP theurgy(god work) sometimes we have to understand that we are still apart of the human race and as a species were perfectly imperfect. i got called a God and a Great spirit a few times. it felt good, i almost let it go to my head. but i still wasnt able to change my situations that i get myself in. because even tho i got called a God/Great spirit, and i do consider myself to be a powerful spirit when im not in my human body. i still got humbled as well. i do have to pay attention to my mundane human tasks, because if i dont i sink. so its more a balance. humans can do what gods cannot(the mundane) and Gods/Great spirits can do what humans cannot(the magnificent) its about learning how to balance that.

 

[Mannimarco]

Where you don't need others and you become greater than all the other "sheep"?

But how can one believe that when something simple such as the act of buying food from a store you have so much dependence on others. You are dependent on the store, the worker there, the truck drivers that brought the food, the factory workers that processed it, the farmers that grew it?

Just living in our specialised society, we are heavily reliant on others for goods and services.

An infant may be considered dependent on all those people, plus its parents, working together to give it food. An adult works, acquires money, and trades it for the food. That's not dependence, that's commerce. I am not sure why you're so concerned with the idea of dependence, but buying things is not anti-LHP.

but i got into conflict with a coworker and management threatened my job security, and realised dam, im not a god, im a small human,

Liking a philosophy by itself does nothing. LHP ascension/apotheosis is a colossal undertaking, taking many years, if not decades. It also has a decent rate of failure. Your whole energy body will need to be healed, transformed, and massively expanded. This will require thousands of hours of meditation, energy work, healing and making allies of many parts of yourself, invocation of demons, etc. If working the usual qliphothic materiel, there will be ENDLESS tests, trials, and "lessons" from demons. If you had already done all this, and achieved LHP apotheosis, you would not be asking the questions you are. So according to the normal LHP worldview, you are in fact "not a god", and are indeed a "small human".

I'm not really down with the normie kabbalistic/qliphothic LHP worldview, but it appears you're reasoning from within that framework.

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After that experience I felt like LHP goals were a delusion for me.

LHP goals are not a delusion, you just haven't achieved any of them.

 

[DeviousDivine]

I would just like to add that from my understanding the main goal of becoming a god in addition to what others have said has to do with not returning to "source" after death and maintaining individualism

 

[Nastya]

I would just like to add that from my understanding the main goal of becoming a god in addition to what others have said has to do with not returning to "source" after death and maintaining individualism

Doesn't that kind of feel like trading one heaven for another?

 

[HoldAll]

I would just like to add that from my understanding the main goal of becoming a god in addition to what others have said has to do with not returning to "source" after death and maintaining individualism

Exactly. Apotheosis was only ever granted to exceptional individuals so if you wanted to become one of Blavatsky's Ascended Masters, an Ancient Greed god, or a Buddhist bodhisattva, for example, you'd have to be very special indeed. When I first heard about E.A. Koetting's website I was flabbergasted at the sheer audacity of its name but later learned that becoming a living god was in fact the ultimate goal of the LHP, so it isn't so far-fetched, at least in theory.

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, individuals or whole civilisation have the option of Subliming, basically becoming utterly transcendent. He doesn't treat the subject altogether seriously, more in the vein of Terry Pratchett, and it's never quite clear whether the Sublimed retain their identities in their supernatural realm or are absorbed into a kind of Eyn Sof, Source, etc. The Sublimed never interfere with mortal affairs, so being god-like and having unlimited power probably means very little if you refuse to throw your weight about on your erstwhile plane because it's so dead boring.

I think the crux is really retaining your identity. In mythology, few gods act mature and rational, that's why the stories and legends about them are so colourful and exciting - because they're like people, jealous, angry, petty, easily deceived, oversexed, etc. Would you like to seen your flaws multiply a thousandfold? Or your neighbour's, for that matter? Or would all those flaws fall away once you don't have a physical body anymore? It could probably be like that in the case of Iain Bank's Subliming where no eternal Mount Olympus soap is being played out but we'll never know, his books being works of fiction.

For my part, I'm unable to take the concept of becoming a living god literally. It's like Crowley's "Every man and every woman is a star" - everybody may have the potential but realising it is another matter. It's an idealist goal to strive for; if you don't mind that this goal may never be attained by you in this lifetime but continue striving nevertheless, it means that you're on a spiritual Path, pure and simple. It's the same with enlightenment: it won't be reached next year, in ten years or maybe never but you still keep on trying. However, enlightenment is more like the RHP aim of melding with the Infinite where you lose your individuality and definitely don't become like a god.

 

[Hastrologer]

Doesn't that kind of feel like trading one heaven for another?

Hello Nastya! It could be interpreted as trading heaven for something else, not necessarily another heaven. That is something curious, don't you think? "Becoming a god" seems more like a failed magician tantrum instead of a functional "arcanum system". Becoming a god while still being subject to physics laws and human authority doesn't sound like a triumph to me.

 

[Vysas]

So many people misunderstand the concept of the LHP. At its core, it’s about individuality, making choices from your own center instead of living as a reaction to other people. Over time, that becomes individuation, as in you trust yourself more, and you grow into your own power with a solid sense of who you are. It’s not about being greater than anyone else.

Most books exaggerate this because the authors know some magick and then write as if they’re literal gods and goddesses. That creates an unrealistic godhood individuality that people mistake for LHP. But buying food from a store doesn’t disprove individuation. That’s material interdependence, and it’s part of living in a civilization. Interdependence is not the same as spiritual dependency.

The sheep mindset is also a trap. When LHP gets distorted, it becomes ego inflation as it makes you think “I’m superior, everyone else is a sheep.” That’s not individuation. That’s insecurity dressed up as ideology.

If you approached LHP expecting it to make you untouchable, then yes, that version is a delusion. If you approach LHP as a path of self-development, then a humbling experience at work doesn’t disprove it. It actually tests whether your practice is real. Real power isn’t the absence of limits, it’s the ability to navigate limits.

Individuation doesn’t mean you owe nobody anything. It means you stop owing your identity to fear and approval.

The only one that a man should measure himself against is his former self; everything else is distortion. The left hand path is an approach to life and the living of it-- and also dying. If your goal is to become a god and remains such-- and if that is what you chase with all you are, you will fail entirely.