[Help] Conversing with suprasensible powers?

[Mars]

Spirits, "Demons", "Angels", Gods, Astral Entities or whatever term you call them. Actually I'm quite militantly pagan, so I'd like if this thread does not contain abrahamic world views. Theres no demons or angels in my Weltanschauung.
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How do you do it? What is there to it? I kind of struggle with this. I'm actually jealous of people that say they see them, interact with them or whatever. None of the things I tried doing worked so far. "Selling your soul" if it really only was so easy as everyone says or people in the music business apparently do.

Either I'm completely inept for this, shunned or something else. Like really. This topic is a bit sentimental for me.

I love seeing and feeling the Entities during "sleep paralysis" but it's so fleeting and super random, that some pity themselves on appearing to me. It happened perhaps 5 or 6 times in my life but thats it, and never could I actually talk with them.

I don't know of any (actual) haunted houses or I would try that. I cut my teeth when people tell of paranormal encounters or hearing noises late at night from their attic or whatever. I never have this. It's so fucking boring.

Can anyone please help me? Or perhaps send an entity or so my way? Yeah I don't care if its scary or whatever, it might be the most interesting thing to happen to me in this boring life. What do I need to do? Or what do they want from me? What can I do for them? It's not like that I ask them to make me famous or something, but seeing them here and there and feeling them would genuinely make life more interesting. I could perhaps burn down churches for them (I would do this regardless lol)

Anyway, I literally develop a way to get guranteed sleep paralysis every night to raise my chances in experiencing something, but other that it actually works to induce "sleep paralysis" I have not much luck In seeing them. Is it possible that I did something, perhaps unconsciously that repells them? If thats even possible. Because I did instruct someone that never had proper sleep paralysis on what to do and he actually had quite a profound experience talking with one. (He wasn't lying or trying to fool me and the topic of entities did not came up prior)

I do genuinely appreciate any insights into this you want to share with me.

 

[Aeternus]

I talked with various entities, from Nordic, go Greek and even Babylonian.

What I can certainly say about all of them is that they are very intelligent and also, they communicate answers indirectly sometimes.

You don't need to develop any kind of getting guaranteed sleeping paralysis as it is not good for your spiritual, physical and mental health.

Instead, try asking the Deity you wish to contact for an answer on a specific question, and contemplate (at least try to) contemplate on more subtle answers with hidden meanings.

For example, when I contacted Odin, the Father of the Nordic Gods, I asked for answer regarding ethical destruction (I was in a spiritual war with an egregore). After a few hours (as the problem was a bit urgent), Odin communicated with me with subtle images of the Thurisaz rune which is used for destruction and also a certain runic combination for banishing the egregore.

And this is just one of the other numerous examples of how Gods can communicate with you.

One way to communicate with Nordic Gods for example, and I use it as well, is connecting with them by vibrating their sacred names in a trance state from meditation.

I can also attach a video for contacting Odin, really good:

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I use to vibrate O-DDD-IIIII-NNNN until I feel some small cold sensation, much like a shiver, and then I wait some time for either direct or more subtle answers

 

[Pyrokar]

as they say "maybe it's for the best"
there is just something eerily suspicious going on i can't quite point to...from the approach to the motive it's all fishy.

Light Yagami over there might profit from meditating on:
"people never converse, they just talk at eachother, they don't listen just wait for their turn to speak"

you give nothing so you receive nothing, a phone call with just silence.
the spirits are the ones who listen, you can be sure of that.

who do you want to speak to? why? because you're bored?
That's worse than the cynics who expect entities to prove their existence, just because they think they're entitled

your method is ....interesting- since when is lucid dreaming the way to...nah im not going there,
nice venue to look for a crowd however. The shadow people are known for charming conversation

maybe they have nothing to say to you since you have nothing really worth answering.
or on the other extreme, they might have said plenty but you can't listen.

either way im starting to sound like Roma so lets see what the experts have to say

 

[Aeternus]

as they say "maybe it's for the best"
there is just something eerily suspicious going on i can't quite point to...from the approach to the motive it's all fishy.

Light Yagami over there might profit from meditating on:
"people never converse, they just talk at eachother, they don't listen just wait for their turn to speak"

you give nothing so you receive nothing, a phone call with just silence.
the spirits are the ones who listen, you can be sure of that.

who do you want to speak to? why? because you're bored?
That's worse than the cynics who expect entities to prove their existence, just because they think they're entitled

your method is ....interesting- since when is lucid dreaming the way to...nah im not going there,
nice venue to look for a crowd however. The shadow people are known for charming conversation

maybe they have nothing to say to you since you have nothing really worth answering.
or on the other extreme, they might have said plenty but you can't listen.

either way im starting to sound like Roma so lets see what the experts have to say

I can agree with you. Higher realm beings such as the Gods are never to be bothered just because we are bored.

We reach the Higher Beings for spiritual guidance and development, while at the same time remembering that we have to develop on our own after receiving the said guidance from the Higher Beings.

After all, it is not like the usual Messenger - WhatsApp chat with our work colleagues for example. Spiritual guidance and Messenger-WhatsApp chat really differ from one another

 

[Mars]

from the approach to the motive it's all fishy.

If people were only so wary of other things in life too.

you give nothing so you receive nothing, a phone call with just silence.
the spirits are the ones who listen, you can be sure of that.

who do you want to speak to? why? because you're bored?

I did asked what I should do or what I could do for them. I don't know how to "call" on them. Also it's for them to come to me, not for me to go to them. Who? Apollo perhaps or Mars. Or whoever is pitying themself on coming.

they might have said plenty but you can't listen.

That's what I fear. I do sometimes hear a voice but it's only one liners. Never telling me what to do, only what not to do.

who do you want to speak to? why? because you're bored?
That's worse than the cynics who expect entities to prove their existence, just because they think they're entitled

Bored as in this life doesn't have much to offer besides working, paying taxes and consuming whatever new product corporations bring out.

Perhaps because I want someone to tell me what to do?

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One way to communicate with Nordic Gods for example, and I use it as well, is connecting with them by vibrating their sacred names in a trance state from meditation.

Interestingly, this exact concept is also found in hinduism. With OM for Krsna for example. Where do you have this from?

 

[Xenophon]

Re: being told what not to do, wasn't that all that Socrates' daimon did for him? Just warned him away from contemplated actions, but did not provide overt guidance. At his trial, Socrates noted that the daimon said nothing and he took this as a sign his course of action was approved.

 

[Pyrokar]

Im not buying it.
feels more like a spellbeging session than anything else

you're saying, you don't pick out any spirit at all, don't do anything preliminary, no banish, no invocation, no evocation, nothing
you just go to sleep and then you're angry you can't make contact???????????????

Also it's for them to come to me, not for me to go to them. Who? Apollo perhaps or Mars. Or whoever is pitying themself on coming

this attitude is terrible, exactly like the "well if they're reaaaaaaaaaalll why won't they show meeeeeee" kids. if i was a spirit i'd ghost you too.(heh)
neither Apollo nor Mars would ever be caught dead taking pity on anyone. Hoes had to turn into plants for even slight chance of safety
ain't no one taking pity out here

if you really, honestly don't know how... then
you have two options. either get a different asmr bineural beats track, you hack.

or you can go to our library and pick out one out of a million books hosted, might try planetary magick or olympian spirits
(you're looking for Phaleg dont thank me)

there is no way to skip reading a book in this business, no one can tell you put 2 white candles up your nose and 2 black ones in each ear
then hop on one foot and call the name of your ex from highschool, it works for me.

in other words it's not an app, it's a code, if you don't understand it you can't do anything with it,
hit the books young padawan then you can be angry when it still doesn't work lmao

 

[Aeternus]

Interestingly, this exact concept is also found in hinduism. With OM for Krsna for example. Where do you have this from?

If you are talking about the video, it is from the channel Mimir's Well which I watch and use many videos for Nordic meditations. I remember I even used his Hagalaz meditation for establishing progress in my spiritual journey, and also his Uruz rune video for healing an incessant head pain which bothered me a lot.

As for the concept, I tried the same of vibrating the name and I found it has ties to a lot of pantheons (even Abrahamic one, but I won't talk about it here so as to not derail from the topic you created).

Vibrating the name is actually the key to establish the special connection with the desired entity and then the said entity, based on your request, will either decide to communicate with you directly, or with the help of subtle messages (dreams, numbers appearing, symbols related to the message the entity wants to send you, sometimes physical appearances of some symbols like feathers, specific types of birds, etc).

I can even relate to what I previously described as subtle messages. I remember I asked for answer on a specific meditation on the crown chakra, and I started to get subtle hints of purple (violet to be more specific) whenever I tried to think about the Sahasrara chakra. I would not even think specifically about the Sahasrara chakra and I would see and be attracted to the color violet much like a magnet.

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The element of thought as it is called here is also associated with aether.

And although Aeter is very advanced to manipulate and use, if one has the ability and time to do it, can also do the meditation of aether to strengthen their aura and spirit communication:

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[catpottery]

Spirits, "Demons", "Angels", Gods, Astral Entities or whatever term you call them. Actually I'm quite militantly pagan, so I'd like if this thread does not contain abrahamic world views. Theres no demons or angels in my Weltanschauung.
-

How do you do it? What is there to it? I kind of struggle with this. I'm actually jealous of people that say they see them, interact with them or whatever. None of the things I tried doing worked so far. "Selling your soul" if it really only was so easy as everyone says or people in the music business apparently do.

Either I'm completely inept for this, shunned or something else. Like really. This topic is a bit sentimental for me.

I love seeing and feeling the Entities during "sleep paralysis" but it's so fleeting and super random, that some pity themselves on appearing to me. It happened perhaps 5 or 6 times in my life but thats it, and never could I actually talk with them.

I don't know of any (actual) haunted houses or I would try that. I cut my teeth when people tell of paranormal encounters or hearing noises late at night from their attic or whatever. I never have this. It's so fucking boring.

Can anyone please help me? Or perhaps send an entity or so my way? Yeah I don't care if its scary or whatever, it might be the most interesting thing to happen to me in this boring life. What do I need to do? Or what do they want from me? What can I do for them? It's not like that I ask them to make me famous or something, but seeing them here and there and feeling them would genuinely make life more interesting. I could perhaps burn down churches for them (I would do this regardless lol)

Anyway, I literally develop a way to get guranteed sleep paralysis every night to raise my chances in experiencing something, but other that it actually works to induce "sleep paralysis" I have not much luck In seeing them. Is it possible that I did something, perhaps unconsciously that repells them? If thats even possible. Because I did instruct someone that never had proper sleep paralysis on what to do and he actually had quite a profound experience talking with one. (He wasn't lying or trying to fool me and the topic of entities did not came up prior)

I do genuinely appreciate any insights into this you want to share with me.

What is your sleep paralysis method?
Just curious.

 

[stalkinghyena]

How do you do it?

I talk to them. I do this all the time, and I watch the world. That is, I talk to them with the recognition that their language, their response, does not have to conform to my expectations or even my conception of language. That's why studying symbolism is important - and not just what I am comfortable with or what pleases my sensibilities. It takes a little bit of effort and patience. I ask them to teach me their language, to show me how to listen to them, not just today but every day.
It's basically a game. I watch for unusual things, things that are out of place - not so much for the "paranormal" as the "not normal". Sometimes these are things that I feel can be decoded. I think the spirts just love math. I keep a notepad handy.

One thing I like to do is to make or find an image of a spirit and talk to it. There's other technical things that go into it, but I find doing such a thing is a good way to anchor a practice of "conversation" with things that don't have physical ears or mouths.

It's so fucking boring.

Would you feel better if they scared the living shit out of you? Sometimes that's what it takes.

 

[Mars]

Re: being told what not to do, wasn't that all that Socrates' daimon did for him? Just warned him away from contemplated actions, but did not provide overt guidance. At his trial, Socrates noted that the daimon said nothing and he took this as a sign his course of action was approved.

I don't know if this would be too easy in my case. To just assume because I don't hear a voice or feel a pull it's approved. For a lot of things I had it "Don't say this now, shut up" or "Halt" actually as I tried how far I could push doing things in sleep paralysis. And in other cases there wasn't anything and it caused me great distress. It happened when playing video games and grinding for fucking lot "this mob has the skin you want" but why can It not tell me where I should go with my fucking life. Politics? YouTube? Making music? Being a menace to society? Creating a startup? Nothing. I tried it all and stopped during various stages. I do like the freedom of choosing but I would like to ask "Is this my path" and then a yes. Or perhaps if it would tell me what to do. I don't care what it is. I'm a Kshatriya and my daimon is based on passion, eros and emotion. I would love having a spiritual guide or brahmin giving me advise or what to do. But all it does is making me angry for not being able to realise myself.

I actually do not like talking this personal But as I said, this topic is sentimental for me.

If you are talking about the video, it is from the channel Mimir's Well which I watch and use many videos for Nordic meditations. I remember I even used his Hagalaz meditation for establishing progress in my spiritual journey, and also his Uruz rune video for healing an incessant head pain which bothered me a lot.

As for the concept, I tried the same of vibrating the name and I found it has ties to a lot of pantheons (even Abrahamic one, but I won't talk about it here so as to not derail from the topic you created).

Vibrating the name is actually the key to establish the special connection with the desired entity and then the said entity, based on your request, will either decide to communicate with you directly, or with the help of subtle messages (dreams, numbers appearing, symbols related to the message the entity wants to send you, sometimes physical appearances of some symbols like feathers, specific types of birds, etc).

I can even relate to what I previously described as subtle messages. I remember I asked for answer on a specific meditation on the crown chakra, and I started to get subtle hints of purple (violet to be more specific) whenever I tried to think about the Sahasrara chakra. I would not even think specifically about the Sahasrara chakra and I would see and be attracted to the color violet much like a magnet.

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The element of thought as it is called here is also associated with aether.

And although Aeter is very advanced to manipulate and use, if one has the ability and time to do it, can also do the meditation of aether to strengthen their aura and spirit communication:

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Thank you a lot! This feels like a very good starting point! I appreciate your replies.

What is your sleep paralysis method?
Just curious.

Too much to type out now, but in a nutshell, sound of a 56k modem dial up/handshake(actually what the sounds do), and something that relates back to your material body when you are in the dream body, before you go to sleep you need to "dial into" a specific tune you hear and fall asleep to it. If you feel the sleepyness in your neck or stomach then its guranteed. Having a snack beforehand helps too. I have an updated article planned on my home forum, I can send it to you once its finished.

Would you feel better if they scared the living shit out of you? Sometimes that's what it takes.

Yes. Actually I hate all these videos of hauntings (if they are even real to begin with) and all that people do is scream and run away. I will not do this. Not to act cool or whatever but because I genuinely want to understand it. Like I'm very good at learning languages when I hear people talk it. I think perhaps I can learn more about life and the universe if I can witness something like this. Seeing them during sleep paralysis scares me a lot too, while it's not their appearance (which is actually quite enticing) its their presence. It's as if they disrupt reality.

Like imagine having a compass needle inside you always reliably pointing towards north. Than suddenly it violently explodeds in a certain direction and the whole compess gets pulled into this direction too. Like have you ever felt a tank rolling by you very close? Or a freight train? It's like this. This immense mass in a tiny spot. Disturbing. But also so interesting. Why is it like that? What can I learn?

 

[IllusiveOwl]

Tarot and I-Ching work for me. I ask, and something above me answers. Specifically I channel "The All", not a specific spirit or entity, just the energy-field that supports and nurtures all beings. I-Ching is easier in my opinion, I find Tarot to be a more beautiful and elegant system that's better once you got a handle on Divination. I-Ching to me is like a reliable Volvo, and the Tarot is like a Dodge Charger.

What's important is to be clear what you're asking for, make it a respectful and ritualized process that you have unyielding faith in, and you can't go wrong. I have done readings on myself and for many people in my college, never has a reading been unhelpful or inaccurate. Someone even once asked the I-Ching how to get ahead in their math class and it was helpful.

If you want to speak with entities, I suggest Divination or a good old fashioned Ouija-Board, should you wanna risk Exorcist-level mayhem.

 

[stalkinghyena]

Yes. Actually I hate all these videos of hauntings (if they are even real to begin with) and all that people do is scream and run away.

They are mostly pop-level bullshit. Occasionally there are gems, but I consider these curiosities. When they are not corny they prove nothing but do spark interest. Interest = energy in my calculations.
The active ideology that cannot be filmed is basically animistic - if we see the world in terms of living shadows, then its a short step to a dialectic that reveals the actual doors to the "otherworldly".

Seeing them during sleep paralysis scares me a lot too, while it's not their appearance (which is actually quite enticing) its their presence. It's as if they disrupt reality.

If I understand you correctly, I guess from that angle you are in a liminal state where resistant elements of your ego are in abeyance, so it is easier to perceive. Another way to put it is that in this state you are in a "twilight zone" where "they" either dwell or where its easier to interface. But you are also vulnerable to the influences, and this causes a subconscious fear reaction. So, could you break down these elements and possibly create a "tool kit" out of them?

What I mean to say is, can you recreate the "psychic flavor" of the awareness you experience in sleep paralysis in your waking awareness? I believe it is possible, even while walking down the street. I'm talking about a willed altered state of consciousness modelled of the memory of a state without the specific conditions that generated that state.

 

[Mars]

What I mean to say is, can you recreate the "psychic flavor" of the awareness you experience in sleep paralysis in your waking awareness? I believe it is possible, even while walking down the street. I'm talking about a willed altered state of consciousness modelled of the memory of a state without the specific conditions that generated that state.

Now that's an interesting proposals. Thank you for this idea. I can try meme-ing myself back into it, but what should this do? That feeling is exclusive to their appearance, not necessarily to sleep paralysis or whatever this state is.

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See if I could experience only 1 actual haunting or whatever paranormal event I could compare it to that feeling and go from there.

 

[Wintruz]

There is a useful book called On Becoming an Alchemist by Catherine MacCoun (I'm almost certain that it's in the library here) which talks a bit about learning how to trust our psychic impressions as communications from either our personal daemon or from the daimones/messengers of the gods (it's not the gods themselves, they're too pure for us to be able to directly interact with them until much later stages).

This requires a certain kind of balance and a certain application of rationality. When we accept impressions literally and uncritically we are in danger of pursuing delusions like so many in the New Age movement, etc. However, when we consider dreams, impressions, images that appear in our mind's eye, strange/random thoughts, etc. as messages that have lost some of their subtly in the process of reaching us (remember, they are leaving refined levels of consciousness to reach out to our, often, very unrefined consciousness) we learn to see these things as both guidances and portals through which we can communicate back. If you look back upon times when you have been engaged in spiritual work, these impressions will have been there, but they will have either been unrecognised or else dismissed as mental debris.

I've heard positive things about Ramsey Duke's book How To See Fairies to help with similar situations. If those two books aren't working then invoking Freyja frequently and spending a few minutes throughout the day in a quiet state of receptivity will probably open you to seeing what's already happening around you.