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[Pyrokar]

How do i do this....

Hello.

Okay, it's something.
I am a long time lurker of various forums like this, of course i dare not say i saw them all but damn i saw a lot of them, however i don't actually "like" the usual sort of people you would find on this type of subject (you know the type.) so i never approached any before.
So why here why now? After the crash of Zlib i came to respect work and effort put into actually maintaining and learning as a community away from
a parent site like reddit (ew) and such, but does this forum have any resources i couldn't readily find on shadow libraries..?

one exhaustive dive later

Okay, you got the good sh** i admit it.
So i will try to add a voice both as a thanks for all the uploads and my own good,
I have spent a good part of a decade compiling and going over many resources, most of the big names, lots of the contemporary authors
i read an article of an author complaining about piracy, somewhere in there he said
"They don't even read the books, they just endlessly hoard them" somehow i took it personally enough to put in the time and actually read everything
i download, i was just unlucky enough for that book to be Dee's Monas Hieroglyphica.....

Went a bit off track, another question i imagine is a good icebreaker, how did i get into the occult?
Well i imagine like many or all of us here i was certainly born with it. My roots are in the Balkans and that's a whole other can of worms for another thread,
had my fair share of experiences i did not know how to explain, even had a Babushka actually curse me ( i was this chubby crazy kid living in it's own universe, she called me over into her yard, primed me up like a chicken for slaughter then rubbed off a burning cigarette on my shoulder while chanting, doing the weird eye thing, the whole shebang - she then calmed me down and sent me on my way, i legit forgot about the interaction until years later, i don't think much of it)

But my real drive was my Grandmother. She had dementia and i spotted the moment in her eyes when it clicked, forgetting and remembering.
From that scare i had decided to do what i can and avoid that, although plenty spiritual i am also pragmatic and... well sorta militant, even if magick was real
asking God or anything else to hand you a win is against my nature.
So i hit the books and became a bloodhound, particularly for mentalism, hypnotism, psychology. And only then did i take the turn into the occult for real.
Really, my homework in mentalism has been and remained a big advantage compared to so many would be practitioners.

Anyway!! If i have to classify my self i have seen some call it "gothic" , being a sort of freepicking from multiple disciplines for whatever is adaptable to my self.
Like i said, probably over a decade in the making i threw my best years in and doubled down on research, it is now over. Certainly i will go for more but there comes a time when one must practice what they preach, i have a whole inventory of operations ready to begin but something is holding me back, i drew it up to being lazy but as time flies by i confess to some doubts.

To be more specific, my area of interests would start with Sekhmet and i suppose Hecate but only them, i see you clutching your crystals about to @ me but i highly doubt we are thinking of the same thing. Also i have a single Goetia i keep close to my heart on account of us having the same name. I lean into the left hand path (minus the scooby doo villain mentality), little bit of Tibet, sprinkled with Chaos. seasoned by the likes of William Gray and a few more.
To put it simply i excel at personal things, trances ,pathworking, augmentation, servitors, sigils, . Also i am not one of those "science" types that plague the Chaos ranks.

I am chatty and certainly open to questions and conversations at anytime, just don't expect me to share my whole practice, i've grown quite protective of it and the work it took.

Aaaaaaaaand... that is all. I noticed these threads are meant to be a hi and bye so i apologize for the long post, You may now begin to adore me.

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

Hello and welcome to the forum. Our library is fairly expensive, but can always welcome more good reads.

 

[Pyrokar]

Very well. i accept your challenge, finishing up mega account and once i figure out how, i will upload a few. Let none say im not a proper guest!

 

[Ziran]

i apologize for the long post

No problem, I enjoyed reading it

You may now begin to adore me.

Ahhhhhh, thank you. I liked you already, but now I have official permission.

I am chatty and certainly open to questions and conversations at anytime

Love-it....

mentalism

I would appreciate reading more about this. What is 'mentalism'? What are its roots? What are its uses?

 

[Pyrokar]

Mentalism is the art of faking magick. what the old witchhunters were chasing around, the gypsy fortune teller trade, the discovery of witches
this is also the place where hypnotism started to develop outside the ranks of priests etc.
later on, and i do apologize if anyone is into it, it became new age.
It started with a couple of sisters putting on a show of seances, they figured out how to make "ectoplasm" and built up on that foundation
into many tricks usually revolving around ghosts and spooky phenomena, the old style of the craft includes a lot of card and paper work
like you might write the name of a loved one and it would burn up or float or whatever, they could levitate tables n shit, it was showmanship
The author of Sherlock Holmes was a grand hater of the seance era and brought a few famous people with him to support his claims, like they would be asking for the medium to establish connection with a fake family member that died.

But the pinnacle of Mentalism has been and remained cold and hot reading. By using ANY medium (tarot cards, grains of sand, corn, the bottom of the coffee you drank) the practitioner would display knowledge of the client to a vast degree, we know these today as mediums
Again apologies to any believer, maybe you/your aunt really is a gifted medium but most all of these especially around the USA were using cold reading to leave the impression that they knew things about you that you never told anyone.
one of the golden rules of doing readings is "turn every no into a maybe, turn every maybe into a yes, turn every yes into a - i knew it"

Yes, it's all a trick, HOWEVER the impact is not a joke - quite the opposite. A certain level of responsibility falls on your shoulders when oblivious normies are glued to your every word so the advice given better be good, because if you do believe in the supernatural giving harmful directions to someone you know you are "manipulating" this would be a strike on your karmic "file", and the client might assault you too.
The craft has gone through quite an expansion to such an extent that the best mentalists will never tell you what they are, the lower ranks include the usual types of hacks that might approach people at restaurants and perform ESP's and the like, very non impressive.
The upper levels include a nearly supernatural observation, emotional intelligence - not only can they tell when you are lying, they can tell when you imagined the lie in your head before you say it, The memory skills of a mentalist is unmatched - literally.

I believe that might be a good enough short introduction you couldn't directly find off a single google search, now for some easter eggs
There was a cold reader who started giving his clients crystals, of course he had worked out a system of which one to give to whom and
then, years later when someone cornered him in public and presented a crystal he had given him, the practitioner was able to baffle everyone
there, obviously he had forgotten the man but the crystal gave him all the info he needed and it looked like he read his whole life on the spot.

There is another great trick, if you hold a person by the arm or shoulders you can "Read" their muscle responces, in this way you can have a client hide something anywhere in the room (the best of the best could find things hidden in a CITY radius, just consider how impressive that was)
you do it by leading them and pattering (patter - speech skills related to the performance) "dont tell me where it is, just think about it, think about it and look at my eyes, focus clearly...." then they were able to do it even by giving the client a string, then they were able to do it while driving in a car. (the same trick is used to drive a car blindfolded)

Then you got a mentalist who was being the topic of discussion, they had planned to call him and do a radio show, right as they were talking about it the mantalist called them and apologized as he was busy and could not appear, this same trick was used on a US trial case in the same way, im sorry but i forgot the specifics as this is pretty underground info, i do believe that it happened.
its quite impressive and i have no idea how they did it.

I could, and would go on but i imagine this is a wall text already so i'll leave it to any further questions or when i think of a good thread
meanwhile take a look at this, this is a trick i used in my college course it only failed me once but as an average occultist i could never produce half the interest or "deification" with basic mentalism - what i mean by that is the attitude, go in and tell someone you are a magus they will laugh at you, do a little razzle dazzle and they will forever retell the story and be far more suspectible to additional phenomena so that you might do some real occultism without being weighed down by worrying how you appear to them.

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[Konsciencia]

Welcome to the forum friend!

 

[Ziran]

I could, and would go on but i imagine this is a wall text already

Thank you so much for typing it out. I loved reading it. It's facinating. Before today, I had only heard the term, "mentalism", but, I didn't know what it was. I appreciate level of detail you provided and the examples, and I feel the passion you have for topic. The post wasn't too long for me. Maybe for others, but, it's exactly what I hoped for when I asked the question.

For me, a "wall of text" is a stream of consciousness where there are no paragraph breaks. The author appears to have no consideration for what will make the it easier for the the audience to read and understand.stand. Planning? Proof-reading? Editting? Formatting? Nope. None of that matters. They're just flooding the editor with words and clicking "post-reply" for their own self-gratification.

For me, it's not the length of the post that defines a "wall of text". Maybe for others it is? I don't know. I asked you the question hoping for a passionate detailed reply, and that's what happened. I felt like you were sharing with me; it wasn't self-gratification. Although I do hope you enjoyed typing it out, because I enjoyed reading it.

 

[Pyrokar]

I had experiences on some forums where i was sort of laughed at for my tendency to write a lot
but what you said really is what it is all about you hit the nail on the head. In that i have learned not to constrain my self in the future
because if i want to share i should, and the worthy will manage the effort.

Last but not least, mentalism is also the reason i dont subscribe to things like....damn i forgot what they call it when you have a pendant
like in Charmed when they circle it above a map and it just sticks to where the plot happens,
this sort of "divination" is a complete INVERSE hoax and is special in that regard
What do i mean by that? well the phenomena functions by ideomotor psychology, or unconscious physical reaction
So, what happens is you might work out that you will hold a pendant (or whatever it was fin called) and gently roll it side to side
you would then establish that if it goes left its a yes and if it goes right its a no
In this way you can literally talk to yourself and your sub. to work out personal things do i like Becky or do i like Stephanie? type of thing
also you could lose something, bring in the pendant guy and find your item because even if you forgot your mind would send you the right way
but as far as the occult goes, it's not valid at all, i am stunned by the amount of practicing occultists who swear
by this operation, knowing what i know, i just agree softly like wow amazing but deep down im like ...bruh.
Finally, as i don't do divination i won't comment on it as a whole, other things might be "real" , but this sort is 100% not.

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[Ziran]

I had experiences on some forums where i was sort of laughed at for my tendency to write a lot

That's rude, of course. But occasionally I have encountered people who seem to rarely engage in a conversation. Their words are really just for themself. In writing, the author loves reading their own words in their own writing style back to themself. In speech, the speaker loves hearing their own words in in their own voice in their own ears. And this self-love sets up a feedback loop, an echo-chamber, in their own mind. It's like preaching to the choir, but the author themself is both the preacher and the choir. Almost everyone does this. It's a matter of degree.

like....damn i forgot what they call it when you have a pendant
like in Charmed when they circle it above a map and it just sticks to where the plot happens,

If you're referring to ideomotor divination, that's a ouiji board or a "spirit board", right? Some do it with "spirit writing" or "automatic writing". In China, they do it with paint and a paint brush, there's a ritual that goes along with it, and a very unique method for handling the brush. There, the channel/medium is chosen, or more accurately, identified. It's not something anyone is expected to be able to do. I think the practice has merit, but, just like everything, there's a right way to do it.

So, what happens is you might work out that you will hold a pendant (or whatever it was fin called) and gently roll it side to side
you would then establish that if it goes left its a yes and if it goes right its a no
In this way you can literally talk to yourself and your sub. to work out personal things do i like Becky or do i like Stephanie?

I would call this a form of scrying. Not all scrying is like this, but, what you're describing is an expression of the subconscious mind?

 

[Pyrokar]

In speech, the speaker loves hearing their own words in in their own voice in their own ears. And this self-love sets up a feedback loop, an echo-chamber, in their own mind

Hey... you got some mentalism in you after all. That was weirdly accurate and well put, and you mentioned similar things before. Is it some part of your practice? i was curious at first but now i know there is something there.

Yeah,no i don't joke around with the Asians whatever it is like for them im confident they are for real about it.

and lastly yes, it's all subconscious, the shallow type too, Basically no matter how hard you try to hold the thing without moving it you will eventually start. Like i said there is some value in it, just not deserving of the hype.

 

[Ziran]

Hey... you got some mentalism in you after all. That was weirdly accurate and well put, and you mentioned similar things before. Is it some part of your practice? i was curious at first but now i know there is something there.

I am certainly not trying to do anything. I'm just listening to you and replying. I've only heard of mentalism. I remember seeing it maybe on America's Got Talent?

Yeah,no i don't joke around with the Asians whatever it is like for them im confident they are for real about it.

I'm not asian, but I'm enamored with daoism. I'm a white american from the suburban midwest. Cincinnati to be exact. But I currently live in the Pacific Northwest.

... i'm living on the air in Cincinnati ...​

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[Pyrokar]

What i meant was, where was all of that coming from? This introspective about people in conversations, writing ? That went super deep and
"the human paradox" type of beat . Whatever it is, you are wise about people, that much im sure.

Oh i never meant to say you were Asian, merely that whatever way they use pendulums etc is likely different from the version i am attacking above

And lastly, i see your Steve Carlisle, and i raise you.... Gene Pitney, just so you know not to mess with me

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