Genesis genealogy

voidcat · Thursday at 3:32 PM

So I have been thinking about the claim that the first 10 generations of the bible is a prophecy for Jesus. I learned this as a kid in a book called A Closer Look at the evidence by Richard & Tina Kleiss.
Adam: Means "man"
Seth: Means "appointed"
Enosh: Means "mortal, frail, miserable"
Kenan: Means "sorrow, dirge"
Mahalalel: Means "blessed God"
Jared: Means "shall come down"
Enoch: Means "commencement, teaching"
Methusaleh: Means "his death shall bring"
Lamech: Means "despairing"
Noah: Means "comfort or rest

I've now looked up some info regarding the claim. Seems a guy named Chuck Missler broke down the reasons for a claim like that tho im unsure where it originated. The guys methodology was awful. For example the word Lamech doesn't have common roots with the English lament which is where the guy got the idea it meant despairing. Like...he legit looked at the word lament and Lamech and thought hmm must mean something similar. That's crazy. They two different languages. No one is actually sure what Lamech actually means. There's speculation no one's sure. The Hebrew word for lament transliterated is qiynah.
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This is interesting to me. I left Christianity a long time but I'm wondering what other sort of lies I was told about the bible regarding old testament prophecies being fulfilled in the new testament by jesus and such. Also what lies that book might very told me I read it as a kid so I didn't have critical thinking skills to criticize said book.

Ziran · Thursday at 5:13 PM

voidcat said:
I'm wondering what other sort of lies I was told about the bible regarding old testament prophecies being fulfilled

In my conversations with Christians, I've found that anything which is going backwards, reverse engineering the Old Testament, looking for Jesus, is contrived rubbish.

Imo, speaking for myself, they're not lies, they're feel-good material for those that already believe. "Midrash" "Fan-fiction".

Amur · Thursday at 5:28 PM

Lamed is actually the leader letter in the hebrew language which means that it's in the middle of the aleph-bet and it's also going down into the ground as well as into the sky. Qabbalists regard it with extra sanction, as Aleph-Lamed is a synonym for 'God'. It's Gematrial value is 30. 30 = 5*6, so pentagram times hexagon. Which means it's both microcosmos and macrocosmos.

voidcat · Thursday at 6:13 PM

Ziran said:
In my conversations with Christians, I've found that anything which is going backwards, reverse engineering the Old Testament, looking for Jesus, is contrived rubbish.

Imo, speaking for myself, they're not lies, they're feel-good material for those that already believe. "Midrash" "Fan-fiction".

Yeah seems that way regarding any proof regarding Christianity actually. Not lies but more like echo chambers. Growing up as a Christian reading books on evidence for Christianity was normal but i was taught not to read arguments against it unless it's to debunk them. In the circles I was in arguments for Christianity was more to cement faith rather them convince nonbelievers it seems. I mean looking back a lot of the arguments they said atheists make were flat out wrong no atheist would actually make such arguments. Sort of like a strawman made up to feel good about your own faith.

I'm not saying all Christians are like that just the circles I was in were like that. As were the books I was exposed to.

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Amur said:
Lamed is actually the leader letter in the hebrew language which means that it's in the middle of the aleph-bet and it's also going down into the ground as well as into the sky. Qabbalists regard it with extra sanction, as Aleph-Lamed is a synonym for 'God'. It's Gematrial value is 30. 30 = 5*6, so pentagram times hexagon. Which means it's both microcosmos and macrocosmos.

I know Lamed is a hebrew letter. Not sure bout the rest of what you wrote. But I was talking of the name Lamech. That's not spelt the same transliterated

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Yeah lamech is spelt:
לֶמֶךְ

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Lamed aleph and mem

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Unless I got that wrong I am still learning the Hebrew aleph bet. Sleepy too currently.

Amur · 2024-12-27T10:48:13+0000

voidcat said:
Yeah seems that way regarding any proof regarding Christianity actually. Not lies but more like echo chambers. Growing up as a Christian reading books on evidence for Christianity was normal but i was taught not to read arguments against it unless it's to debunk them. In the circles I was in arguments for Christianity was more to cement faith rather them convince nonbelievers it seems. I mean looking back a lot of the arguments they said atheists make were flat out wrong no atheist would actually make such arguments. Sort of like a strawman made up to feel good about your own faith.

I'm not saying all Christians are like that just the circles I was in were like that. As were the books I was exposed to.

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I know Lamed is a hebrew letter. Not sure bout the rest of what you wrote. But I was talking of the name Lamech. That's not spelt the same transliterated

Post automatically merged: Thursday at 6:21 PM

Yeah lamech is spelt:
לֶמֶךְ

Post automatically merged: Thursday at 6:23 PM

Lamed aleph and mem

Post automatically merged: Thursday at 6:25 PM

Unless I got that wrong I am still learning the Hebrew aleph bet. Sleepy too currently.

Ahh yeah sorry must've been too tired also and thought you meant Lamed

Never heard of Lamech, will check into it, thanks for correcting me.

voidcat · 2024-12-27T18:09:10+0000

Amur said:
Ahh yeah sorry must've been too tired also and thought you meant Lamed Never heard of Lamech, will check into it, thanks for correcting me.

Lamach is the name of Methusaleh's son. But there's also a second Lamech. That one murdered a guy and was polygamous if I recall correctly. He's mentioned here because he was in one the 10 first generations of mankind

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I may be confusing facts here hang on ill have to check

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Clarification after checking: Yes Genesis 4 a guy named Lamech defended from Cain murders a guy marries two women. The Lamech tho in this linage here listed in the OP and in Genesis 5 was born from Seth's line and was righteous. He was Methusaleh'sson and would sire Noah.

Ziran · 2024-12-27T18:22:59+0000

voidcat said:
No one is actually sure what Lamech actually means

? Are you looking for information about the meaning and/or significance of the names as recorded in Genesis genealogy ?

voidcat · 2024-12-27T18:30:49+0000

Ziran said:
? Are you looking for information about the meaning and/or significance of the names as recorded in Genesis genealogy ?

Yes.

Darn first 10 generations keep bugging me coming to mind. Even bugged a dream I had which what inspired this post

Ziran · 2024-12-27T18:35:37+0000

Amur said:
Never heard of Lamech, will check into it

It's contrasted with Noach ( Noah ). נח | למך
See how Lamech is going up and down, but, Noah is 'flat', for lack better word?

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