Grimoirium Verum Substitutions

[G. Ephraim]

Greetings,

I am hoping to get some insight from the community on potential substitutions for substances in the Grimoirium Verum. Specifically, the use of "moles blood" in the preparation of the knife used in making the circle. While I am not necessarily opposed to the use of animal blood in this work, I'm finding that it may be next to impossible to obtain this and the alternative option of locating a molehill and attempting to trap a mole is less than appealing. I have given thought to the use of pomegranate juice in place of mole blood as the correspondence between the fruit and the animal's associations with travel between the chthonic underworld and the world of the living seem to suit the general purpose and intentions.

If anyone works with the Verum system of spirit contact and can give insight on this it would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Pyrokar]

I don't work with it.

But i think i'd have a good laugh trying to catch a mole.

my vote? it's all symbolic. They all have some mystical bs always involved, this we can separate in two categories
one - the item/ingredient is to the liking or favor or connection to the entity
two - the item is a representation of the "currency" of the offering,

i'd rather work out some bs estimation worth of the effort/rarity of the requierments to my circumstances
Would much rather burn 200e in fire than go through the hoops of getting some of the dumbass things rituals require

My ninja where am i gonna find - well okay there are shops for everything these days- but getting up to go find a cloak woven
by virgins during the eclipse on a rainy day while Obama sings the national anthem is not an expectation they can demand today.

 

[HoldAll]

Right off the top of my head: beetroot instead of pomegranate juice because beetroots grow underground just like moles do. Mind you, I've got zero experience in the ceremonial magic department but I can imagine the juice you extract from a beetroot (no idea how it's done, probably some sort of vegetable alchemy ) yourself is more potent than store-bought one. I wish you the best of success!

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Additionally, you could try to thicken that beetroot juice with corn starch, for example, to give it a texture more similar to blood.

 

[Xenophon]

Right off the top of my head: beetroot instead of pomegranate juice because beetroots grow underground just like moles do. Mind you, I've got zero experience in the ceremonial magic department but I can imagine the juice you extract from a beetroot (no idea how it's done, probably some sort of vegetable alchemy ) yourself is more potent than store-bought one. I wish you the best of success!

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Additionally, you could try to thicken that beetroot juice with corn starch, for example, to give it a texture more similar to blood.

You could probably extract beet juice using small chunks of it in a garlic press. Or, better yet, just grate the beet then use a lemon press. (It holds more.)

 

[tiger's eye]

you definitely could use any blood or red ink in this kind of ritual.if you read the hole book,you will find that some ways even need to use your own blood.other grimoires also like it too.some blood may be have some symbolises in there,but I think the most important is the blood could to be ink that write something.because there has no cheap or ink that easy to find at that time.