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Honestly, what is the point of incarnation?

Wildchildx11

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I know you come to earth to experience, spiritually evolve and learn, but I supposed often I feel quite a bit disheartened and disappointed by the whole experience of being here, because I feel as such, I mean I'm not really stagnating, but I sometimes do because the things that the earth values don't really feel like the things that I value, or the best place to be for my spiritual evolution. I mean, I'm going to be straight, it's not very focused on things such as charity, kindness, serving others which has brought me satisfaction and growth and being on in a realm which prioritizes profit and material comforts seems to be rather counter-active towards my spiritual growth, and I wonder if this is really the best place to be incarnated in?

I mean, I'm not getting down on myself, and honestly, not to get too new agey. What do you consider to be the purpose of incarnation? Do you just come to evolve so you can access higher planes of the astral realm in-between lives where things feel and look prettier? Isn't that sort of pointless too in the large scale of everything? I mean, I wouldn't call the astral realm to be illusionary, because it's described as feeling and being more real than this realm, but sometimes I wonder, what is the point of everything?
 

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Existence has no intrinsic 'point'; 'meaning' is a human thing. You need to find a purpose for yourself. It doesn't have to be world-shaking, it can even be quite daft. I myself, set out to discover the scientific basis of magic and have a good time. Your Mileage May Vary.
 

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You scold yourself in vain for having more material than spiritual things in you. There is no one true truth, why we came here, whether we will come back again, and the fact that you need to be a servant spiritually, to help everyone. Just a reminder that no one has come back from the other side of the world yet and held a press conference talking about what's next for us. OK, I chose this incarnation myself, so only I decide how to develop and what road to follow. If we believe the theory that we choose our next incarnation, it means that we know how we will live it, and it means that you should live it the way your soul wants you to live it, to live it in such a way that it is good for you. If you look at the situation from the point of view of magic. Materiality and spirituality are like priesthood and witchcraft practice. The sorcery approach is ideal for ordinary people and for practitioners of other traditions who turn to the Gods to solve worldly or sorcery questions. The sorcery way implies turning to the Gods from time to time to solve certain current issues. The situation arose - turned - thanked - left the practice until the next time. In life it is usually about social issues - interaction with state authorities, business, whatever is within the sphere of influence of one or another Deity. In witchcraft - strengthening of complex rituals, ‘safety net’ during dangerous rituals, protection from unpredictable situations. For example:
- a deal or a case where there may be a trick, a setup on the part of the partner, force majeure, etc. In our country many people make some ‘grey’ schemes, give bribes - such are the realities of life. And we have to break down these walls and obstacles using magic. Priesthood (what you are worried about, that you are not spiritual enough, and there is no desire to be favourable) is really spiritual worship. These are daily actions that are aimed at serving God alone, you have to observe all the fasts, all the rules, know all the theory and put it into practice without in any way breaking any dogma. I as well as you do not like to be just spiritual, because then, in Maldives I will visit only in my head, imagining them during meditation))))) And more material sorcerers will send me a postcard from the Maldives) I don't like it. I want to send postcards. That's why I choose materiality. Diluting it with spirituality, as a way to gain personal power to have enough energy to run the ritual. It's like working in the same profession with the same result.
Only one will go to work in a corporation where instructions, stable salary channel and predictability. But also frames, format, dress code and ‘bows before the boss’.
And the other will go to the free bread freelancer. He does as and when he wants, there is no one above him. But the responsibility is also all on him. In priesthood, your ritual will be fulfilled if God wills it and sees fit. And a witch - she influences reality with whatever forces she works with. And remove from your head the opinion: ‘I do not donate to charity, or today I did not transfer my grandmother across the road, so God does not give me (what you need). You will not become spiritually richer from this. You can become spiritually richer by reading books, meditating, developing your creative potential. Fill yourself up. And this filling can be projected into materiality. Why are we given magic at all?) To come here and learn to go into the Astral?)
 

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why does a stone reincarnate? so you can bump your toe against it.
does the stone care? no, its the other that is hurting. can the stone help? no, the stone just is....

when you like to feel what i wrote, you might want to hug a tree. i mean make an energetic connection with a tree, by touching it and talking with it in your head. they teach patience and moving with the seasons.
 

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Like Robert said, on an individual basis, there isn’t a point except for the one you decide on. Chase the material for selfish reasons or to use it to help others. Help others and swear off the material. Swear off the material and focus on your own spirituality. Realizing that you choose can both be freeing and frustrating at times. Personally it’s currently my magic and more recently learning to contently putter around the house with my wife and watching her face light up whenever we finish whichever project she currently has us working on.

-Eld
 

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Be the best Wild Child you are meant to be.
Eat a doughnut in Berlin. Drink a finely pressed coffee in Turkey.
Take up basket weaving. Fire a cannon. Swim the Panama Canal.
Regardless of whatever you seem fated to accomplish during this incarnation, just be the best Wild Child you are.
Everything else is just semantics.
 

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I see a lot of materialistic existentialist philosophy in this thread. Existentialism to me always had the air of hopelessly looking up at the stars and feeling like an insignificant spec. In existentialism, there is no purpose, no god, no whimsy or mystery, because the philosophers themselves didn't understand enlightenment, they had assumed that they were already fully evolved and matured beings because they were "educated" and respected among their fellow "academics", so anyone who possibly thinks that there is "something to get" that they already don't is preposterous, this is the reason why in the West ancient traditions and non-scientific viewpoints are spat on as infantile & barbaric. To me existentialism reeks of blindness, and the "there is no meaning, you have to make your own." is just stating the obvious, and perpetuating the trap of defining yourself by your grindset and its results, but everyone is entitled to their opinion. I prefer internal validation rather than external.

I have come into contact with a lot of new-age people and all they talk about this whole "life contract" and "you chose to be here to spiritually evolve" schtick. They gaze off into the distance and bask in their psychological salve, knowing that everything is a-okay. There have always been "new agers" throughout religious & mystic history, (their bullshit makes up plenty religious canon across the globe) people who are early on the trail and think they "get it", when really they're just holding up a picture of reality while understanding nothing. Their worldviews are hazy and underdeveloped, unthought out and tainted with wish-fulfilment, which is isn't a bad thing in itself, everyone is spiritually a child at some point, but the problem is some people are planted in bad soil and stay children their whole material lives, (thus requiring further incarnations to mature) then their numbers grow, until there is almost no good soil left on the Earth and the birth of a human with a soul in the world of the soulless becomes a clinical diagnosis. I'm not all knowing, but I'm not ignorant either. I'm sharing my perspective in the honest hopes that it will help you evolve within your living flesh and grow, because the stakes of understanding yourself are your very existence, they couldn't get any higher, understanding this couldn't be any more important, so put down your social-media for a minute.

Incarnation is defined by most traditions as spirit coming into flesh, something as individual and unique as a spark of light (so not at all), coming into a totally unique and unreplaceable shell of flesh, a unique looking human in a totally unique setting (A thermodynamic miracle, if you will ). The shell has individuality, but the spark of light is totally without identity because it itself is a shard of the material that makes up reality. The dynamic is difficult to grasp because it can be described as 1 entity (The All), a partnership of 2 (A shard of The All powering a bag of flesh), or 2 entities who's communication creates a 3rd, like the process of Hegelian Dialectics, making it a trinity, they're all applicable.

Either way, everything in the physical cosmos is transient, adapting, evolving, like one all-encompassing stream. The flesh of the individual dies away and the spark of spirit is left stripped of what it identified as, having been pushed up out of the stream. Hungry to be defined in any way, likely just as unconscious as it was before it last entered the stream, it dives into the material again and gets lost in identification with its shell, before losing its identity again and continuing the cycle endlessly, the direction of the cycle perpetuated by the decisions the spark makes while alive, this can only be truly understood when solar consciousness is experienced and the spark is awakened within the flesh.

Evolution happens through death and rebirth, and man is that final stage between the animal and the divine. Regardless of how rare and special this incarnate opportunity is, you're born a human, that means you can be aware of your animal instinct, and also realize the divine awareness you have, your flesh and spirit both. The purpose of your life is to advance, spiritually, like you claim, but to do that you need to willingly give up your animal nature & it's ego, to die and be reborn while alive. Wildchildx11 needs to die and be seen as the illusory construct that it is, caging the divine spark that you are.

The "purpose" of incarnation is the awakening of the spark so that it can act with its full power within the stream and outside of it, rather than being limited to the power of its meaty shell while in-stream, then coming out of it a blank, unconscious spark of light.
 

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I would recommend this books in this order :
1.The Other Side of Death - C Cohen
2.On Life After Death - G T Fechner
3.After Death the Disembodiment of Man - P B Randolph
4.The Growth Of The Soul - A P Sinnett
5.Journey of the Soul & the Ethereal World - E Drollinger
6.The Soul Or Rational Psychology - E Swedenborg
7.Reuben Swinburne Clymer - The Divine Spark
8.Reuben Swinburne Clymer - Higher Soul Culture
9.Reuben Swinburne Clymer - The Iluminated Faith
10.Reuben Swinburne Clymer - Way To Godhood

I was seeking the almost same thing and other things and these titles really opened some doors on my perception ✨
 

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I see a lot of materialistic existentialist philosophy in this thread. Existentialism to me always had the air of hopelessly looking up at the stars and feeling like an insignificant spec. In existentialism, there is no purpose, no god, no whimsy or mystery, because the philosophers themselves didn't understand enlightenment, they had assumed that they were already fully evolved and matured beings because they were "educated" and respected among their fellow "academics", so anyone who possibly thinks that there is "something to get" that they already don't is preposterous, this is the reason why in the West ancient traditions and non-scientific viewpoints are spat on as infantile & barbaric. To me existentialism reeks of blindness, and the "there is no meaning, you have to make your own." is just stating the obvious, and perpetuating the trap of defining yourself by your grindset and its results, but everyone is entitled to their opinion. I prefer internal validation rather than external.

I have come into contact with a lot of new-age people and all they talk about this whole "life contract" and "you chose to be here to spiritually evolve" schtick. They gaze off into the distance and bask in their psychological salve, knowing that everything is a-okay. There have always been "new agers" throughout religious & mystic history, (their bullshit makes up plenty religious canon across the globe) people who are early on the trail and think they "get it", when really they're just holding up a picture of reality while understanding nothing. Their worldviews are hazy and underdeveloped, unthought out and tainted with wish-fulfilment, which is isn't a bad thing in itself, everyone is spiritually a child at some point, but the problem is some people are planted in bad soil and stay children their whole material lives, (thus requiring further incarnations to mature) then their numbers grow, until there is almost no good soil left on the Earth and the birth of a human with a soul in the world of the soulless becomes a clinical diagnosis. I'm not all knowing, but I'm not ignorant either. I'm sharing my perspective in the honest hopes that it will help you evolve within your living flesh and grow, because the stakes of understanding yourself are your very existence, they couldn't get any higher, understanding this couldn't be any more important, so put down your social-media for a minute.

Incarnation is defined by most traditions as spirit coming into flesh, something as individual and unique as a spark of light (so not at all), coming into a totally unique and unreplaceable shell of flesh, a unique looking human in a totally unique setting (A thermodynamic miracle, if you will ). The shell has individuality, but the spark of light is totally without identity because it itself is a shard of the material that makes up reality. The dynamic is difficult to grasp because it can be described as 1 entity (The All), a partnership of 2 (A shard of The All powering a bag of flesh), or 2 entities who's communication creates a 3rd, like the process of Hegelian Dialectics, making it a trinity, they're all applicable.

Either way, everything in the physical cosmos is transient, adapting, evolving, like one all-encompassing stream. The flesh of the individual dies away and the spark of spirit is left stripped of what it identified as, having been pushed up out of the stream. Hungry to be defined in any way, likely just as unconscious as it was before it last entered the stream, it dives into the material again and gets lost in identification with its shell, before losing its identity again and continuing the cycle endlessly, the direction of the cycle perpetuated by the decisions the spark makes while alive, this can only be truly understood when solar consciousness is experienced and the spark is awakened within the flesh.

Evolution happens through death and rebirth, and man is that final stage between the animal and the divine. Regardless of how rare and special this incarnate opportunity is, you're born a human, that means you can be aware of your animal instinct, and also realize the divine awareness you have, your flesh and spirit both. The purpose of your life is to advance, spiritually, like you claim, but to do that you need to willingly give up your animal nature & it's ego, to die and be reborn while alive. Wildchildx11 needs to die and be seen as the illusory construct that it is, caging the divine spark that you are.

The "purpose" of incarnation is the awakening of the spark so that it can act with its full power within the stream and outside of it, rather than being limited to the power of its meaty shell while in-stream, then coming out of it a blank, unconscious spark of light.
About us being a child, i believe we are always a child as long as we exist in duality. I see virtually no way of fully knowing things and in my opinion i see it as lieing to myself if I were to ever declare I know no matter how much i uncover in this this world I live in.

Understanding is limited by perspective, and you can look at perspective like an outfit you put on. The choice of outfits is endless.
 
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