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How did you decide which occult system to follow?

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I'm always curious about other people's paths in the occult. I'm a bit of a basic bitch, so I've never truly dived into anything fully. There's so many interesting ideas out there and I find it hard to stick to one. I'd like to try this year to really focus on something, but I don't even know where to start at this point.

What occult system do you follow now, or have you followed in the past? What has made you change your mind on certain systems after learning more about them? What books have helped you on that journey? I'd love to know!
 

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I'm inclined to think there is only one "occult system". It's simply so big that if two people approach it from opposite sides, they might never see the common middle shared between them.

The big thing that's stuck out to me from brushing up against every discipline is the overlap. Like with numerology, you can find a dozen systems that all agree on the importance of numbers, but the correspondences don't overlap (e.g a "3" isn't assigned the same meaning by everyone). What I take from that is: We have to find our own correspondences. Same with astrology, you can read a million how-to-read-a-chart blogs, but eventually you'll have to depend on your own interpretation, because every one of those blogs is someone's interpretation. No one has the perfect immutable core that your practice ought to be built on, and I'm highly skeptical of anyone who claims to have such a thing.

The best thing IMO you can do to develop your practice is to focus on the fundamentals that come up in every discipline. It doesn't matter what kind of majique you study, they all tell you to clean your working space before you begin, for example.
 

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I'm a "compartmentalist" when it comes to the occult lol. For spirit work I use Grimoire Tradition (except for my ancestors), for basic spells I use hoodoo, for more involved rituals since I'm a classical Hermeticist by religion (no, not the Kybalion nonsense) I'll use Graeco-Egyptian ceremonialism, much like we see in the PGM. For ancestor work I use hoodoo necromancy. The list goes on and on. So I don't follow one system fully. I use different systems for different needs. But I never combine them. I hate when people say their practice is "eclectic". To me, all I hear is them saying their practice is confused.
 
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Like with numerology, you can find a dozen systems that all agree on the importance of numbers, but the correspondences don't overlap (e.g a "3" isn't assigned the same meaning by everyone). What I take from that is: We have to find our own correspondences. Same with astrology, you can read a million how-to-read-a-chart blogs, but eventually you'll have to depend on your own interpretation, because every one of those blogs is someone's interpretation. No one has the perfect immutable core that your practice ought to be built on, and I'm highly skeptical of anyone who claims to have such a thing.

I start thinking all those systems exist as egrogoric forms and when you use them you actually connect to something people use.

You can also use your very own meaning into that. But in that case you use your personnal will and power. You actually decide "The High Priestess represends your friend cause this is how you see your friend. That's not Artemis, that's not the Lady of The Lake, that's not Isis... That's your friend Jane. So mote it be."
 

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I start thinking all those systems exist as egrogoric forms and when you use them you actually connect to something people use.

You can also use your very own meaning into that. But in that case you use your personnal will and power. You actually decide "The High Priestess represends your friend cause this is how you see your friend. That's not Artemis, that's not the Lady of The Lake, that's not Isis... That's your friend Jane. So mote it be."
Totally. The use of a system empowers the system's use. The same tarot spread would be read differently by two tarot readers, but the one who drew the spread is the one whose system empowers the reading (outside of an apprenticeship scenario, where the reader is drawing while shadowing someone else's interpretation).

One of my teachers told me that "after a certain point in everyone's development, we all become chaos magicians". Meaning that after you've studied enough, eventually you use your own system that is an amalgam of everything you've found that worked. You only stick with someone else's system until you've experienced the parts that worked for you and the parts that didn't. After that, you abandon what doesn't work and keep what does.
 

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Going back to the roots of a previous system that i have been practicing for years. Before discovering the origins, i was doing these daily rituals that of course laid the foundation and the order was much like a school teaching you the basics but after some time of this daily regimen it just felt like i going to church on Sundays.
The meaning of these rituals were lost and just recently i found that the original teachers were going at an entirely different direction with it than what i got from the order. Following the trail back eventually led me to Solomonic magic and all that it entails and i felt wonderful. No more lack of results, feeling that it was all in my head.
At last rewards for a long time of study and practice, if you can call it that what i previously did.
True knowledge
 

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I'm always curious about other people's paths in the occult. I'm a bit of a basic bitch, so I've never truly dived into anything fully. There's so many interesting ideas out there and I find it hard to stick to one. I'd like to try this year to really focus on something, but I don't even know where to start at this point.

What occult system do you follow now, or have you followed in the past? What has made you change your mind on certain systems after learning more about them? What books have helped you on that journey? I'd love to know!
Reading the Secret teachings of all ages got me curious about kabbalah and magick topics, and then llewellyns complete book of Ceremonial magick led me to start with chic cicero's Golden Dawn, working through the elements and balancing yourself really makes sense, has solid rituals, Qabbalistic Cross, Lesser Banishing for Pentagram, Hexagrams, the grand and supreme version. They give you a good foundation to build on, but still has places that could be better.
Bardons initiation book has useful tips too for mental exercises, element work, but not really a useful system, not to mention all the blinds in Initiation and the Practical evocation stuff with his spirit catalog being coded was not useful.
Gallery of Magick books offer a superior spirit catalog to work with but they lack any system to guide people for over all development, leaves it wide open for people to just dabble and flounder around between books.
And Jareth Tempest's GoM like books on pathworkings and his work with attunements what he calls direct magick distracted me from GD work.

And lately from various source's and things i've read, Quareia's seems to be a more complete system and still has a number of ceremonial components but seems to cover more. She breaks the information up into manageable chunks on her website with the lessons and the main selling point is i havent seen her focusing much on words in other languages. To me one of the main downside of kabbalah and not having access to all the texts, hints theres always some other secret way etc is problematic when working through tree of life.
 

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I started off with internet witchcraft, as it is so often called these days, and Hellenic Polytheism. Many fond memories of discovering witchcraft through tumblr haha. In the last few years, I've settled more comfortably into Wicca as a general umbrella to exist under and study the occult through. I used to distinguish what I was doing as not Wiccan, but I think the number of times my mother would offhandedly refer to me as Wiccan despite my protests somehow wore me down and I decided to take it more seriously.

I still experiment with all kinds of new things-- I think it's important to find what works for you and try out a lot of different things if you're unsure. Recently, I've been feeling really inspired by the Pseudomicon by Phil Hine and have been incorporating that into my general practice. I like ceremonial magick and the grimoire tradition as well. As a holdover from my early days, I still do a lot involving the Greek goddess Hekate and I like incorporating PGM-style rites into my practice. I'm a history buff so old stuff really appeals to me. I spend a lot of time reading academic texts on the history of magic and paganism, it's fun and cool and if I go to graduate school, I'll probably focus on that as my field of study.
 

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What occult system do you follow now, or have you followed in the past? What has made you change your mind on certain systems after learning more about them? What books have helped you on that journey? I'd love to know!
Indonesian, Candali, Djinn, Chaos magick, Runes. Working on building an original system. Tried and quit Damon Brands stuff, the Qliphoth, Norse paganism, Sumerian Paganism, Necronomicon, Lovecraftian, Santa Muerte, "Western" dragon magick, probably more but i can't remember. All the ones i quit sucked in their own ways, but werent getting me what i wanted in the way i wanted it. Santa Muerte I liked, but she wouldn't respect my boundaries. All the others I quit were much worse than her, many of which appear to have been intentionally sabotaging my spiritual development. I didn't change my mind on any systems based on learning, but on practice, especially how i felt the system viewed me. I am not interested in being a battery for some entity's magick system, or a "guest" in an afterlife that I can't leave.

No books were helpful lol.
 

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Sorta of born and raised in a religion. A lot of curiosity (and unanswered questions) then took me into several various systems. A ton of experimentation and experiences help create my current meta-model. It feels right and has proven useful from a practical standpoint in practicing and understanding magick.

So here I am.

-Eld
 

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Wow! Love this conversation. I love hearing the roads other people have traveled!

On a practical level the tech I use is very similar to God-King’s, with a bit more Verum as my go-to grimoire. I mostly work within a Folk Catholic framework when reaching toward The Mystery but flip to a more Alexandrian “Christo-pagan “ (Ugh, need a better word) framework for the sublunar realms, with help from some saints and a very special Lady.

I did not expect to be a Catholic, even if a very weird one, but I had a very powerful experience in that “mythstream” that fundamentally changed me that I was like, dammmit, okay, fine.

I grew up in a very scientific Unitarian household with a Jewish-British father and a Mexican-American mother. So I had some bits of Kabbalah on one side, and Mexican folk magic on the other, you know , basic stuff, like putting butter on a burn. But I was raised to be a modern with all the sensibilities. Loved the arts, comics, and Dungeon and Dragons, and table top RPG’s. Went to work in the video game industry.

I did my first 'spell' when I was around 8 after coming across a grimoire in the school library. I am old enough that that was in the 1970’s before the Religious Right swept though the States and wiped away all the last remaining bits of the Weird 1970's. Like a lot of Gen-X magicians – and there were not that many of us then ,I did the whole 20th century Robert Anton Wilson to Crowley to OTO after having read Huson's ‘Mastering Witchcraft’ round age 12.

But pretty early in my magical career, after having summoning a demon from my cobbled together system of Goetia – to go spectacularly well at first, then spectacularly wrong - ( I will do not want to give the grim details, the fear is not helpful) I figured I , like pretty much like everybody else in the English -speaking occult world , really knew next nothing about sorcery. (FYI, When Crowley writes about what he calls "Magic" he is really writing abut mysticism, not sorcery) So when it presented itself I took and the opportunity to learn from the Vodou community , which helped me which tremendously. I brought all this back later to my Goetia practice.

Back then, nobody knew anything and we were just figuring stuff out. The benefit was there was not this firehouse-to-the-face of low-quality occult jabber jabber, promising you Supreme Power for 10 payments of $66.60 to invoke the Dark Flame of Satan’s great hairy testicles, or whatever comic book character, or literary figure, is most popular at the moment. :)

On the plus side there is a whole bunch of great stuff, so much so that now there all no secrets Well, except for the mysteries you have to discover yourself though your practice.

What system to follow, I do not think that matters much until ones gets down to the individualized sublunar world. Aside from that, choose a system and stick with it, rewrite your subconscious (theosis). The spirits (daimons) meet you halfway and manifest half according to your personal bullshit - what Aurum Solis called your "Deep Belief" what your nephesh (animal soul) expects them to be - and the other half in alignment with The Mystery.

So if I you expect the daimons (spirits) to be impressions and thoughts in you head. They will! If you expect energy then they will appear as energy. If you expect them to be UFOs, fairies, or pagan gods. They will too! But they are half us – half our bullshit - and half The Mystery, and that is a far more a personal journey that learning the technologies of magic and sorcery.

My take - my personal bullshit - is a Stellar to Solar Pantheism expressed in a very pagan Folk Catholicism - from the Uncreated, the Nous, to Demiurge to Solar Demiurge , then the daimons, both above and below.

I used to keep all my system separate but they all sot of slotted together on their own. , But but they all have origins in the ancient Mediterranean area’s Alexandrian Synthesis, which includes both NeoPlatonism, Christianity, and early Pre-Talmudic pre-rabbinial “Gnostic” Judaism (which is Neoplantonism expressed in that culture) , but now expressed in my rather Luciferian , very Mexican, pagan Folk Catholic framework.

But that is just me. Other frameworks and personal cosmo-conceptions can work as well.
 

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I'm always curious about other people's paths in the occult. I'm a bit of a basic bitch, so I've never truly dived into anything fully. There's so many interesting ideas out there and I find it hard to stick to one. I'd like to try this year to really focus on something, but I don't even know where to start at this point.

What occult system do you follow now, or have you followed in the past? What has made you change your mind on certain systems after learning more about them? What books have helped you on that journey? I'd love to know!
well, when you follow the esoteric paper trail, you come to realize the mainstream systems have nothing to do with actual spiritual wisdom.

for example, once you start to see the connection between the serpent in the garden and jeusus, Sethian Gnosticism just seems to, at the very least, the most intellectually honest way to honor my christian heritage while realizing that we are the true determining factor of our own fate in our path to the divine, not rituals, priests, and their empty promises and threats.

Yes indeed, luciferian Christianity is in fact not an oxymoron but a beautiful alchemical synthesis and you can admire that fact.
 

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Native Spirituality. Waabano.

Other than this, I have dabbled in Wicca and Hermeticism(and most Orders involved) but the root to my practices have changed throughout the years.

Currently for the last eight months, I have been spending time at a local Russian Orthodox Monastery with two Stavrophores and a Schema Monk and undergoing Ascetic pursuits. Since my car accident in late 2023, I have taken a more mild approach to life and seek spiritual solitude.
 

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I've been using a lot of Golden Dawn/Thelema stuff for many years(like lbpr twice per day and liber resh) and I use Chaos Magic to "decode" rituals/grimoires and re-encode to my practice structure(sigils, kameas, energy pathwork...). For ancestor work I use Quimbanda.

Chaos Magic is "the language" of magic to me, as it was when I started, a few decades ago
 

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Those are some good questions. I talked about my previous practices (tarot, Chaos magic, Ogdoadic magick, modern grimoires) when I introduced myself, so rather rehash that I'll answer this question:

What occult system do you follow now . . .

I'm currently working with the Angelic Realm through a system very similar to DSIC in a traditional grimoire. Because of ongoing operations that's all I'm going to say for now, except that the experiences have been very powerful.

As for the question in the title of the thread, the short answer is 'divination'.

The long answer is that the internet has really fueled a growth in occult awareness and publishing. I love to read, I'm a bit ADD, and there is so much going on in the occult world that I found myself stuck when it came to moving on and choosing something new. I'd been stuck for a while just trying to decide what I wanted to practice. I found myself considering five - yes, five - different paths/systems of magick. I was truly stuck at the crossroads, suffering from the mental paralysis of having an 'embarrassment of riches' to choose from.

Of course, divintation was the answer. I came up with the following Tarot spread for each path I was considering. It's an 8 card spread in 5 rows, and goes like this:

1st row, 1st (and only) card: significator - draw it, don't choose it. Trust the cards to tell you who you are right now.
2nd row, 1st card - What obstacles stand in my way on this path?
2nd row, 2nd card - How can I remove the obstacles?
3rd row, 1st card - What do I stand to gain spiritually from this path?
3rd row, 2nd card - What do I stand to lose spiritually from this path?
4th row, 1st card - What do I stand to gain materially from this path?
4th row, 2nd card - What do I stand to lose materially from this path?
Row 5, 1st (and only) card - Who will I be after one year of diligent practice on this path?

I used 5 different decks, one for each path, but that was a luxury and not a necessity. The results were clear, only 2 of the potential 5 spreads were promising. Then I just followed my intuition and choose one of the two - the Angelic Realm.
 
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I started with chaos magic, then dove deeper in and somewhere along the way I realized that chaos magic is just diet hermeticism, and then I reexamined myself and my path before going fully hermetic.
 

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I'm always curious about other people's paths in the occult. I'm a bit of a basic bitch, so I've never truly dived into anything fully. There's so many interesting ideas out there and I find it hard to stick to one. I'd like to try this year to really focus on something, but I don't even know where to start at this point.

What occult system do you follow now, or have you followed in the past? What has made you change your mind on certain systems after learning more about them? What books have helped you on that journey? I'd love to know!
In the early years I took a very, very expansive approach to things, trying anything that really caught my attention/interest and seeing how it panned out. Somethings worked beautifully, others weren't for me.

As time went by, what stuck, what I came back to again and again, were those systems that really spoke to my soul and, interestingly, in simplified forms, those themes had been in my life since childhood. Most of us already have our key/system in a crude form, we just haven't identified it as such. For me then, it's about educating and refining what's already there rather than being a "convert". We can, of course, expand ourselves through being a convert, we can learn from such things and a psychological reset is needed sometimes, but, unless it really resonates with our Essence, it won't take permanently.

These days, I describe my path interchangeably as "Vampyrism", "Left Hand Path Sufism", "Trika dressed as Dracula", "Hedonistic Mysticism", etc. It involves states of yearning, increasing the manifestation of Being, personal transformation. It Works for me.
 
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