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Hello everyone! I was wondering if possibly anyone had resources to share on the history and or practice of Icelandic magic. From what I know, the history is, unfortunately, pretty undocumented so any bits of info anyone has to share is greatly appreciated, I'm hopeful there's more out there than the little I've found. Thank you!
 

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I guess here's a couple things I have. Looking by through the library here could be helpful. Finding a title of a specific book their requesting for it to be added could also help with finding the history of Iceland.

One title I think moght be helpful thats right here on the Library is called Ghost, Trolls, and Hidden People: Angels Anthology of Icelandic Folk Legends.

Another resource thar I find helpful is a website called JSTOR.org and just typing in Icelandic magic heaped a lot of results. One article called "Celtic Elements in Icelandic Tradition" and many many more. So those are the resources I can share.
 

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Not my forte , but an academic source for ground truth.

A Piece of Horse Liver
Myth, Ritual and Folklore in Old Icelandic Sources
-University of Iceland Press
Translated by Terruy Gunnell and Joan Turville-Petre
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Trollrún
A Discourse on Trolldom and Runes in the Northern Tradition
by Nicholaj De Mattos Frisvold
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Cyprianus:
St. Cyprian and the Black Book in Scandinavian Folklore
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"Simone’s latest work, Cyprianus: St. Cyprian and the Black Book in Scandinavian Folklore is a translation focusing on recorded oral traditions of Cyprian, the Black School, the Devil and of course, the Book of Cyprian. This collection of myths represents a living record of the local beliefs, superstitions and above all practical advice on how to negotiate an encounter with the spirits of this most powerful book of magic.'

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There are others, who I forget. Search for "Scandinavian Black Books"
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Here's the first one:
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And the second.
 
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Stephen Flowers aka Edred Thorsson has written several books about Icelandic practices, unfortunately almost everything we know about that practice comes post the Christianization of Iceland, with very little of the indigenous culture remaining. Ive been traveling so I don’t have access to my library but a Google search of texts by him will give you several titles.
In all fairness he receives a lot of criticism for having been a satanist and ceremonial magician who tries to syncretize that, along the the Kabbalah tree of life, onto indigenous Teutonic cultures. However, his books do contain a lot of archaeological evidence and linguistic information about documentable history, so as long as you read it with a sense of scholarly skepticism, you’ll find them worth reading.
 

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Icelandic Magic: Practical Secrets of the Northern Grimores by Stephen Flowers is a good read. The first half goes over a lot of what's known about the history of magic in Iceland, both pre- and post- Christian. The second half is a grimoire of spell staves compiled from various manuscripts like the Galdrabok, along with instructions for working with them.
 
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Icelandic Magic: Practical Secrets of the Northern Grimores by Stephen Flowers is a good read. The first half goes over a lot of what's known about the history of magic in Iceland, both pre- and post- Christian. The second half is a grimoire of spell staves compiled from various manuscripts like the Galdrabok, along with instructions for working with them.
Flowers actually did a translation of the galdrabok and it was available from a rune group in Texas that he founded (or was involved in founding), runagild or something like that. It wasn’t a very large text, if I remember correctly it was about the size of those zines, if you know what they are. It was like 10 bucks if I remember right, I kind of regret not buying one when it was available, you might be able to find one somewhere or online.

nearly all of those medieval Icelandic “staves” are basically variants of the solomonic sigils, including the infamous “helm of awe” now found everywhere on everything “”Viking”” that’s being mass produced as “authentic pagan symbolism” (the directions for using it literally say to call on Jesus Christ, ZERO mention of any pagan deities) So pagan, so trad. Skal and whatever else. 🙄

now I’d like to see a copy of the redskin book that bishop in Iceland is allegedly buried with. Of course whether or not such a book actually existed in the first place or whether it was actually buried with him is another matter. I generally try to go through life as agreeably as possible with my contemporaries, and avoid things like threatening, grave robbing, and, you know, conjuring up some Bedouin elder who has been trying to be dead for the past 400 years between being assailed by every would be Gandalf aspirant who wants a peek at his personal notes. I swear I think some “magicians” are about as dense as your average mutt cattle blundering through life. Like you KNOW that if you force someones front door and try to rob them they’re probably going to be slightly perturbed by that, and you MIGHT get them to throw some lead at you or thump you with a piece of lumber or whatever. What makes you think it’s going to be different just because it’s “ye magickal artes” and to top it off, the fact that you’re Questing after it basically admits that the rightful owner is batting in a higher league than you are to start with.
 

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I think, most of Flowers Books is a fantasy exploit of his scientific works. He knows, what his readers want to read. ;-)
 

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Icelandic Magic: Practical Secrets of the Northern Grimores by Stephen Flowers is a good read. The first half goes over a lot of what's known about the history of magic in Iceland, both pre- and post- Christian. The second half is a grimoire of spell staves compiled from various manuscripts like the Galdrabok, along with instructions for working with them.
Flowers is an interesting read but his translation isn't great, the edition of "The Galdrabok: an Icelandic Magic Grimoire" I read had some very unfortunate mix-ups, particularly regarding the staves copied from the Huld Manuscript. Granted I haven't read any of his newer books on the topic. I would advice at least being cautious while reading his works

I think, most of Flowers Books is a fantasy exploit of his scientific works. He knows, what his readers want to read. ;-)
I can't deny his take on PGM for instance was very entertaining, with a hellinized Tree of Life, serpent Jesus, greek gematria and so on. There is also no doubt in my mind all of it was complete nonsese
 
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Flowers is an interesting read but his translation isn't great, the edition of "The Galdrabok: an Icelandic Magic Grimoire" I read had some very unfortunate mix-ups, particularly regarding the staves copied from the Huld Manuscript. Granted I haven't read any of his newer books on the topic. I would advice at least being cautious while reading his works


I can't deny his take on PGM for instance was very entertaining, with a hellinized Tree of Life, serpent Jesus, greek gematria and so on. There is also no doubt in my mind all of it was complete nonsese
This has been one of my issues with the whole (modern) ceremonial magic/kabbalah mindset. So it’s a complete system that explains how and why the universe works. Okay fair enough. But modern western ceremonial magicians dating back to the 1800s took on like this “Christian missionary” mentality with it, they were like, okay the Kabbalah explains how the world works, Kabbalah has answers to everything, Kabbalah is the One Cosmic Transcendent Universal Trve Magick , but instead of persecuting everyone who was operating with a different OS, they just hammered those systems into a Kabbalist framework. Oh you have (insert different ethnic gods and goddesses, herbs, rituals, etc) then those correspond to X sephirot or X path on the tree of life. Suddenly the tree of life is applicable to everything and, with classic perennialist, Neoplatonist dogma, since every culture reveres some kind of tree, that’s proof that the tree of life format is applicable. It’s not logical but it’s been accepted for decades now, to the point that if you are researching Chinese folk magic, or the practices of some remote African or Amazonian tribe group, or pretty much ANY book that isn’t some dry anthropology report, the first thing you’ll see is a tree of life illustration.

that’s one of my issues with flowers. You open his books and he’s automatically trying to take you down the road of “this rune goes here on the tree of life” and his luciferian assumption that “the magician becomes Odin in the ritual in order to become their own god”. This is all modern shit you can’t show me anything from the historical record that says anything about ancient Teutonic sorcerers believing they were gods themselves, or that the tree of life has any relation whatsoever with Yggdrasil. I hadn’t seen his book on the PGM, that sounds hilarious honestly, but you need to remember he did start his own religion of like a modernized, open to outsiders Zoroastrianism. There’s no doubt he’s spent his entire life in different magical groups, traditions, done a lot of research, but that doesn’t necessarily make everything he says valid. I thought it was hilarious when I saw him and his wife had published a book about bdsm, then I saw they had written something about being swingers. Oh boy.
 

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Yeah, I feel like such an asshole and dream killer to post this.

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Thanks for sharing this, I watch a fair number of Esoterica’s videos and generally find them to be pretty factual.
I will say that one of my eternal pet peeves with the whole esoteric/mystical/magical world is this assumption of the Neoplatonist narrative that we return to “the one” and that we are separated from god, that ideas are a truth and physical reality is a lie, etc. As a reconstructionist pagan and historian I wonder how many of modern practioners would be getting hemlock cups if they lived in traditional pagan societies. NOT for being witches, sorcerers or magicians, but for impiety, blasphemy and atheism????

Flowers books mention Burreus and sledge brings up a great point about how modern people completely ignore how much of their beliefs and practices are 1,000% a continuation of Abrahamic theology. They’ll write endless pages of cope and torture logic like a Spanish Inquisitor before they ever admit that nearly everything in modern magic is basically judeo Christian with a pinch of Islam sprinkled throughout.

not Icelandic but we get into the whole Armanen runic thing from the late 1800s which takes folk etymology 🤮 other extreme stretches of imagination as literal fact and profound wisdom. Sure enough you can find out that j-Zeus von Nazareth was NOT an actual Jew but an Aryan Teutonic Archetype just like Odin and, surprise! The Germanic people are the lost tribes of the Bible. Lucky us!!! Totally not copied from the 18th century British government employees Anglo israelism. Interestingly enough ariosophy of von List and his contemporaries/rivals (I’m looking at you, Karl Maria Willigut) and descendants like Gorsleben and others is considered a denomination of Blavatskys Theosophy, which to my mind has been pretty thoroughly discredited.
 

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whole esoteric/mystical/magical world is this assumption of the Neoplatonist narrative t

Yeah, I'm half Neoplatonic (on my dad's side, heh) and all that dualism I make fun of as "Bad Neoplatonism." 20th Century modern magic really only had this tool before the Grimoire Revival. Which was also an Anglo thing. Mexico, Brazil and Haiti never lost them.

I am more a Neoplatonic Panethiest that localizes us all into a Daimonic Idealism, and even further down to a Demiurgic Folk Catholic grim trad Verum practice (since we are the Demiurge, imho, who makes all this space-time reality) , but I do appreciate what these deep dives new pagan reconstructionism is doing now. Good stuff.

If you have not, check out Stefanie von Schnurbein's massive academic survey:

Norse Revival, Transformations of Germanic Neopaganism
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We should all laugh at ourselves, but what people were doing back in the 1970s was kinda hilarious as they were getting going.

Hell, I think the whole 'The Christians ate our homework' gambit was to keep people from noticing how cringe they were. They brought in Michael Harner and his "Core Shamanism," wedded it to Jung and UFOs, so now Odin is an extraterrestrial. That said, i think eveyone has much better tools now to look at Pre-Christian animism wihtout trying to fold it all into a totalizing Neopagan religion.
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Oh, just to add here. Pardon the soapbox.

I am not a fan of fact-checking people ritual frameworks. It may not be my thing, but don’t listen to anyone who says you have to be 100% historically valid to be ritually effective. I don't want anyone to stop what they are doing, This is all a dream, so dream something beautiful .

Speaking as the Demiurge, you are Him too, (call him "Zeus" if you don't like the word "God") Just dream the reality you want. It will become true. And it will always have been true, for you and anyone who enters into your sub-quantum reality. Mine is just made differently where daimons walk through walls and summon you into their world. But that is what I wanted and grim trad magicians want. You make you own sub-quantum reality the way you prefer. Then throw and party and invite us over for a bit!
 
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Yeah, I'm half Neoplatonic (on my dad's side, heh) and all that dualism I make fun of as "Bad Neoplatonism." 20th Century modern magic really only had this tool before the Grimoire Revival. Which was also an Anglo thing. Mexico, Brazil and Haiti never lost them.

I am more a Neoplatonic Panethiest that localizes us all into a Daimonic Idealism, and even further down to a Demiurgic Folk Catholic grim trad Verum practice (since we are the Demiurge, imho, who makes all this space-time reality) , but I do appreciate what these deep dives new pagan reconstructionism is doing now. Good stuff.

If you have not, check out Stefanie von Schnurbein's massive academic survey:

Norse Revival, Transformations of Germanic Neopaganism
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We should all laugh at ourselves, but what people were doing back in the 1970s was kinda hilarious as they were getting going.

Hell, I think the whole 'The Christians ate our homework' gambit was to keep people from noticing how cringe they were. They brought in Michael Harner and his "Core Shamanism," wedded it to Jung and UFOs, so now Odin is an extraterrestrial. That said, i think eveyone has much better tools now to look at Pre-Christian animism wihtout trying to fold it all into a totalizing Neopagan religion.
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Oh, just to add here. Pardon the soapbox.

I am not a fan of fact-checking people ritual frameworks. It may not be my thing, but don’t listen to anyone who says you have to be 100% historically valid to be ritually effective. I don't want anyone to stop what they are doing, This is all a dream, so dream something beautiful .

Speaking as the Demiurge, you are Him too, (call him "Zeus" if you don't like the word "God") Just dream the reality you want. It will become true. And it will always have been true, for you and anyone who enters into your sub-quantum reality. Mine is just made differently where daimons walk through walls and summon you into their world. But that is what I wanted and grim trad magicians want. You make you own sub-quantum reality the way you prefer. Then throw and party and invite us over for a bit!
And that’s a really good point. I’m all for reconstruction of my ancestral beliefs as much as possible and investigating ancient magical practices, but how many people today have a lion skin belt for goetic rituals? Honestly, who does? There’s a lot to be said about the study of the past but that doesn’t automatically discredit modern innovations. Look at the GoM books. We’ve seen real results with people who follow the psychological model of science and chaos magic is so fascinating and, obviously getting results. Isnt that what magic is about? Is there a point in buying and making ritual items and memorizing phrases and whatever else to get a job or heal a disease if it doesn’t work. This has always been one of my favorite arguments in response to people who think magic is just superstitions and not real: would you keep planting crops and irrigating, weeding, etc if you never got any harvests? Would you keep going to work if you never got paid? Would you go see a doctor if everyone knew they couldn’t do anything to help? Of course not. Life is about results. As a pagan traditionalist I’m 100% opposed to syncretism in religion. As a historian I understand syncretistic practice is almost inevitable with magic. The Icelandic “black books” literally call on Jesus, Mary, Odin, and Satan in the same ritual. The PGM refers to Egyptian and Greek and Jewish gods together. These rituals worked for at least one magician. Results are what magicians are all about, at least practical magicians, which I would say is probably 98%+ of all magicians throughout history.
 
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