Just another Qabbalah thread

[Audiolog Edu]

I just started reading Dion Fortunes "The Mystical Qabbalah" and it says that Qabbalah was revealed to the Chosen people of Israel through Angels, I did not knew this, Ive heard few stories about how it was revealed but not this one, I think one of this stories Ive heard was that the Hebrew people learned it in Egypt.
What do you know about this topic guys?

 

[StarOfSitra]

Many ancient cultures had their magic or vocabulary given by angels or spiritual forces. An example can be seen in Odin with the magical runic alphabet. These kinds of common myths are part of universal knowledge; no one is more powerful than others—just choose those that resonate most with your soul. The only thing that truly matters is the knowledge behind it, the archetype. The rest is simply the way different cultures explain it. Qabbalah is not more important or special than runes, and runes are not more important or special than Qabbalah.

 

[HoldAll]

"The Mystical Qabalah" is a fine book but let's not forget that Hermetic Qabalism is a very simplified version of Jewish Kabbalah that evolved over centuries into ever more directions and grew ever more complex as authors often contradicted each other and sometimes even themselves, so strictly speaking, there's no such thing as one single, definite Kabbalah to be analysed or believed in. The Qabalah Dion Fortune learned from her teacher Theodore Moriarty is a streamlined version combining several Jewish Kabbalistic strands at the expense of others (for example Isaac Luria's teachings), also adding far-fetched correspondences that would have appalled the old rabbis, e.g with tarot cards or pagan planets/gods, like equalling Hod with Mercury or Netzach with Venus. The Hermetic Qabalah's greatest achievement is probably the famous Tree of Life glyph, and I've yet to find out if it was even used in Jewish Kabbalah - it's probably the result of Christian Cabalah and printing, since an intricate glyph like the Tree of Life would likely be garbled and distorted in the manual copying of ancient manuscripts. Dion Fortune more or less codified Hermetic Qabalah and turned disparate mystical philosophies centered on the Torah, Talmud, Mishna etc. into one single independent and workable occult system.

However, it's true that some Kabbalistic teachings have come about as a result of revelation from above. Several Kabbalistic rabbis claimed to have been taught be ancient prophets (Elijah was a favorite) and

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or mentor angel (maggid later came to mean 'preacher'). Isaac Luria was said to commune regularly with angels when he studied the Zohar on an island in the Nile in Egypt in the 16th century but any attempts to link the Jewish Kabbalah to the Jewish Captivity in Egypt (which many scholars say never happened anyway) or the 'wisdom of the pharaos' are ridiculous. When the Jewish Kabbalah began to emerge in late 12th century Provence, the Egyptians had been Muslims for hundreds of years; as early as at the time of the Greek Magical Papyri (2nd - 7th century AD), there was nobody left in Egypt who was able to read or write hieroglyphics.

So well, yeah, angels were involved at certain stages of the Kabbalah's transmisson too.

 

[Audiolog Edu]

Many ancient cultures had their magic or vocabulary given by angels or spiritual forces. An example can be seen in Odin with the magical runic alphabet. These kinds of common myths are part of universal knowledge; no one is more powerful than others—just choose those that resonate most with your soul. The only thing that truly matters is the knowledge behind it, the archetype. The rest is simply the way different cultures explain it. Qabbalah is not more important or special than runes, and runes are not more important or special than Qabbalah.

Thank you, I personally work with Greek Qabbalah but the system I used is not for beginners so I am studying from Israel Regardie or Dion Fortune, etc. Greek Qabbalah is what personally resonates to me.

"The Mystical Qabalah" is a fine book but let's not forget that Hermetic Qabalism is a very simplified version of Jewish Kabbalah that evolved over centuries into ever more directions and grew ever more complex as authors often contradicted each other and sometimes even themselves, so strictly speaking, there's no such thing as one single, definite Kabbalah to be analysed or believed in. The Qabalah Dion Fortune learned from her teacher Theodore Moriarty is a streamlined version combining several Jewish Kabbalistic strands at the expense of others (for example Isaac Luria's teachings), also adding far-fetched correspondences that would have appalled the old rabbis, e.g with tarot cards or pagan planets/gods, like equalling Hod with Mercury or Netzach with Venus. The Hermetic Qabalah's greatest achievement is probably the famous Tree of Life glyph, and I've yet to find out if it was even used in Jewish Kabbalah - it's probably the result of Christian Cabalah and printing, since an intricate glyph like the Tree of Life would likely be garbled and distorted in the manual copying of ancient manuscripts. Dion Fortune more or less codified Hermetic Qabalah and turned disparate mystical philosophies centered on the Torah, Talmud, Mishna etc. into one single independent and workable occult system.

However, it's true that some Kabbalistic teachings have come about as a result of revelation from above. Several Kabbalistic rabbis claimed to have been taught be ancient prophets (Elijah was a favorite) and

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or mentor angel (maggid later came to mean 'preacher'). Isaac Luria was said to commune regularly with angels when he studied the Zohar on an island in the Nile in Egypt in the 16th century but any attempts to link the Jewish Kabbalah to the Jewish Captivity in Egypt (which many scholars say never happened anyway) or the 'wisdom of the pharaos' are ridiculous. When the Jewish Kabbalah began to emerge in late 12th century Provence, the Egyptians had been Muslims for hundreds of years; as early as at the time of the Greek Magical Papyri (2nd - 7th century AD), there was nobody left in Egypt who was able to read or write hieroglyphics.

So well, yeah, angels were involved at certain stages of the Kabbalah's transmisson too.

Thanks man, I am still unaware of many facts about occultism and well I better ask people who know than just belive everything any book might say, I am very sckeptic but since I got attacked with black magick or witchcraft or who knows what, I am truly searching for Hermetic White Magick.

 

[Sunnylil]

If you seriously want to study authentic Jewish Kabbalah, there’s a post here with some really solid recommendations.

Check the comment by @Frater BIA
at the bottom of the post — it explains everything in detail. (Many of these works are available here on WZ in the Book Shares section).

Dion Fortune writes about Western Kabbalah — it can’t really be compared to Jewish Kabbalah.

It’s only enough to get a very basic and partial understanding of a few real Kabbalistic concepts.

I’d start with “Inner Space: Introduction to Kabbalah, Meditation and Prophecy” by Aryeh Kaplan.


Seeking Recommendation - Resources for getting started in Qabbalah / Kabbalah?