Laws of exorcisms ?

[loady]

Hello im seeking the opinion of real evictors of spirits to lend me their expertise in evaluating the statements in the following text im about to paste here below ,

"During an exorcism the entity may speak, but its words and plea's will not have any meaning or do any good of preventing of its removal from your mind and body. It has rules and "spiritual laws" that it is bound to and that it has to obey no matter what words that it chooses to use.

The other rule and law that it must follow with out any exception is that it must not return or torment in any way the body and mind of where it is being pulled and removed from.

The words of the person performing the exorcism will ( or should ) speak of these laws and requests during the sessions as a reminder to the entity(s) that he/she is removing from you"

You can read about priests that enact very prolonged rituals spanning over days, weeks and months to battle exorcisms which makes me think that the fellow are spewing nonsense at least in part because it has been made clear to me that some laws needs to be followed by the spirits that torment its prisoner

But not everyone is an priest and follow the churches praxis in expelling entities ...

Im more interested in a sorcerers perspective ..

 

[Wise Owl]

Everything in universe is subjugated to laws of nature, nothing can escape it. Thus, if the entities you speak about are indeed real, they must adhere to those laws.

 

[loady]

Everything in universe is subjugated to laws of nature, nothing can escape it. Thus, if the entities you speak about are indeed real, they must adhere to those laws.

Its not that simple . Laws that applies to some dont apply to others in some cases , but i had in mind the laws conveyed in relation to exorcisms specifically , especially does laws alluded to within the text i posted in my ts.

 

[Ziran]

The other rule and law that it must follow with out any exception is that it must not return or torment in any way the body and mind of where it is being pulled and removed from.

" ... that it must not return ... "

In my experience, this is false. Relapse is a major problem. This is why some ( not me ) advise the afflicted to make ( often extreme ) lifestyle changes to prevent a "re-infection". "Re-infection" is in quotes because it is not a literal infection.

 

[loady]

" ... that it must not return ... "

In my experience, this is false. Relapse is a major problem. This is why some ( not me ) advise the afflicted to make ( often extreme ) lifestyle changes to prevent a "re-infection". "Re-infection" is in quotes because it is not a literal infection.

Hello Ziran thank you for actually contributing to the subject matter .

I welcome the opinion of other mages and sorcerers /advanced occultists if you guys want to contribute

 

[Amur]

The entities usually 'grow into you' as time passes of the possession. They become part of you and so forth. So that is why it's important for example for those who have awakened to use rituals such as banishment that rids your aura of any alien influences to keep it pure. It also removes any possessions and further makes it impossible for anything to latch on to you.

Our body is a fractal bound to the pentagram so that might help some. But you can also use a different approach which is Growing it unto God-Self or your Higher Self, which means that it becomes you. It's another tactic that should work.

 

[loady]

" ... that it must not return ... "

In my experience, this is false. Relapse is a major problem. This is why some ( not me ) advise the afflicted to make ( often extreme ) lifestyle changes to prevent a "re-infection". "Re-infection" is in quotes because it is not a literal infection.

What if the possesion was due to a soul contract made in the past ( in this lifetime) where one of the requests was litterary that a force could control someone s free will as they do see fit no matter what they say or do ?

In addition What if the subject had no history of being possessed prior to the contract

Shouldnt breaking the contract , minimize their return or even make it impossible for those exact same forces to return

Assuming its a true that a soul contract break should Vanish then ive wasted alot of money of services online ( alot of fakes ) to the point of being broke in the moment

Is anyone knowledgeable about soul contract breaking that could take on a case pro bono. Im honourable man and would of course pay for the service at a later stage ( by januari /20 /2025 )

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The entities usually 'grow into you' as time passes of the possession. They become part of you and so forth. So that is why it's important for example for those who have awakened to use rituals such as banishment that rids your aura of any alien influences to keep it pure. It also removes any possessions and further makes it impossible for anything to latch on to you.

Our body is a fractal bound to the pentagram so that might help some. But you can also use a different approach which is Growing it unto God-Self or your Higher Self, which means that it becomes you. It's another tactic that should work.

The banishment trough the medium of the pentagram , can it work trough remote if i hire someone to do it for me ? What about the issue of identification of the deties , if they hide behind a proxy , is there reliable methods to reveal their identity ?

You seem knowledgeable, i hope you dont mind if i pm you to discuss things further ...

 

[beardedeldridge]

Long day and night of a kids party where I ran around like I was a kid again and then medicated with a healthy amount of vodka. So if I miss something my apologies up front.

Are there universal laws or constants, yes but the ones you mentioned aren’t among them.

A spirit you’re trying to force to leave isn’t going to be terribly helpful. So yeah most of what you get is going to be forced out of them, lies, half truths, and postering.

Re-possession/infestation/etc is definitely a thing regardless of which tradition you look into.

There isn’t a contract you can make that you can’t break.

You can’t really sell your soul, it’s more of a noncompete clause.

Repeating things during an exorcism is as much for the exorcist and possessed as for the possessor.

You’re probably overthinking this thing and blowing it out of proportion. A forceful and consistent banishing ritual of some type is probably all you need.

-Eld

 

[loady]

Long day and night of a kids party where I ran around like I was a kid again and then medicated with a healthy amount of vodka. So if I miss something my apologies up front.

Are there universal laws or constants, yes but the ones you mentioned aren’t among them.

A spirit you’re trying to force to leave isn’t going to be terribly helpful. So yeah most of what you get is going to be forced out of them, lies, half truths, and postering.

Re-possession/infestation/etc is definitely a thing regardless of which tradition you look into.

There isn’t a contract you can make that you can’t break.

You can’t really sell your soul, it’s more of a noncompete clause.

Repeating things during an exorcism is as much for the exorcist and possessed as for the possessor.

You’re probably overthinking this thing and blowing it out of proportion. A forceful and consistent banishing ritual of some type is probably all you need.

-Eld

Thank you for advice mate , much appreciated .

 

[OberonFromTheHills]

Josephine McCarthy explain that an exorcism (with no Judeo Christian dogma) takes two magicians (who are good at banishing)

One of them must remove the spirit and the other one has to send it in What she calls "the Void".

 

[loady]

Josephine McCarthy explain that an exorcism (with no Judeo Christian dogma) takes two magicians (who are good at banishing)

One of them must remove the spirit and the other one has to send it in What she calls "the Void".

Thank you for sharing mate !

 

[whome]

I shared a house with a fellow who complained about possession.

When the entity was removed it instantly returned.

It seems that the fellow should not have been living in that house and knew it. Living where he knew he should not was deliberate wrong-doing. That wrong-doing was an ongoing invitation to every passing dark spirit

 

[loady]

I shared a house with a fellow who complained about possession.

When the entity was removed it instantly returned.

It seems that the fellow should not have been living in that house and knew it. Living where he knew he should not was deliberate wrong-doing. That wrong-doing was an ongoing invitation to every passing dark spirit

Thank you for sharing your perspective mate

 

[Ziran]

What if the possesion was due to a soul contract made in the past

1) A contract is a material construct administered by both parties at a specific time and at a specific place. Because spirit is not limited to time and spirit is not limited to place, spirit is not limited ( bound ) to the contract made in the past. The body is bound, but not the spirit. At death, when spirit detaches from body, whatever vows, oaths, contracts which were made are on that body ( that particular form ) and are rendered null and void.

2) Excluding cases of mental illness, the free-will of the human intellect ( an aspect of spirit ) has full dominion over the thought forms possessing it. Possession by a foreign entity ( assuming such a thing exists ) requires consent of the afflicted. Consent can be revoked at any time. This is, more or less, the underlying mechanism which produces a successful exorcism. And. Consent can be re-established at any time. This is the root cause of relapse.

3) Belief in possession continuing over the course of multiple mortal lifetimes and/or of "generational" curses is very common among the afflicted, and is often encouraged by exorcists. For the afflicted, they are looking for answers to their dilemma: "Why is this happening to me?" When they cannot find a rational explanation, the the-desire-to-know can become overwhelming, evolves into desire-to-blame, and the individual often settles on an unprovable and unfalsifiable belief: "it must be something that happened in a past life, there is no other explanation." It's perfectly natural to come to the conclusion, but it's still wrong. Exorcists often feed into this misconception as well. It explains why their client continues to relapse. It also sets up, and justifies, a sort of on-going treatment for the afflicted, and therefore, the exorcist benefits by encouraging the false notion. The exorcist now has repeat ( paying ) customers.

Contracts, pacts, vows, oaths, transgressions, any harm caused, in each mortal lifetime is bound to that particular lifetime where that particular soul is in that particular form, but, many prefer to blame some unknowable cause from a past life. Desire-to-blame is the cause of many many malignant thought forms. It grants consent implicitly to other possessions and causes relapse. I treat "blame" like a demon. The desire-to-blame, itself, needs to be evicted.

 

[loady]

1) A contract is a material construct administered by both parties at a specific time and at a specific place. Because spirit is not limited to time and spirit is not limited to place, spirit is not limited ( bound ) to the contract made in the past. The body is bound, but not the spirit. At death, when spirit detaches from body, whatever vows, oaths, contracts which were made are on that body ( that particular form ) and are rendered null and void.

2) Excluding cases of mental illness, the free-will of the human intellect ( an aspect of spirit ) has full dominion over the thought forms possessing it. Possession by a foreign entity ( assuming such a thing exists ) requires consent of the afflicted. Consent can be revoked at any time. This is, more or less, the underlying mechanism which produces a successful exorcism. And. Consent can be re-established at any time. This is the root cause of relapse.

3) Belief in possession continuing over the course of multiple mortal lifetimes and/or of "generational" curses is very common among the afflicted, and is often encouraged by exorcists. For the afflicted, they are looking for answers to their dilemma: "Why is this happening to me?" When they cannot find a rational explanation, the the-desire-to-know can become overwhelming, evolves into desire-to-blame, and the individual often settles on an unprovable and unfalsifiable belief: "it must be something that happened in a past life, there is no other explanation." It's perfectly natural to come to the conclusion, but it's still wrong. Exorcists often feed into this misconception as well. It explains why their client continues to relapse. It also sets up, and justifies, a sort of on-going treatment for the afflicted, and therefore, the exorcist benefits by encouraging the false notion. The exorcist now has repeat ( paying ) customers.

Contracts, pacts, vows, oaths, transgressions, any harm caused, in each mortal lifetime is bound to that particular lifetime where that particular soul is in that particular form, but, many prefer to blame some unknowable cause from a past life. Desire-to-blame is the cause of many many malignant thought forms. It grants consent implicitly to other possessions and causes relapse. I treat "blame" like a demon. The desire-to-blame, itself, needs to be evicted.

Thank you for your extensive input , much appreciated mate

Be well
Riad

 

[Morell]

Hello im seeking the opinion of real evictors of spirits to lend me their expertise in evaluating the statements in the following text im about to paste here below ,

"During an exorcism the entity may speak, but its words and plea's will not have any meaning or do any good of preventing of its removal from your mind and body. It has rules and "spiritual laws" that it is bound to and that it has to obey no matter what words that it chooses to use.

The other rule and law that it must follow with out any exception is that it must not return or torment in any way the body and mind of where it is being pulled and removed from.

The words of the person performing the exorcism will ( or should ) speak of these laws and requests during the sessions as a reminder to the entity(s) that he/she is removing from you"

You can read about priests that enact very prolonged rituals spanning over days, weeks and months to battle exorcisms which makes me think that the fellow are spewing nonsense at least in part because it has been made clear to me that some laws needs to be followed by the spirits that torment its prisoner

But not everyone is an priest and follow the churches praxis in expelling entities ...

Im more interested in a sorcerers perspective ..

Exorcism...
First about possession.
There are two kinds that I observe so far - fake and real possession. Real one is spirit from outside. usually when you do magic ritual with friendly spirits, they can possess you, but loose the hold because they tire themselves or simple let go when you tell them. They can rally control what you say or how you move, but as far as I can tell, they seem to be doing only during the ritual.
Some malevolent ones can appear too. FearEaters for example are a thing, I think they are some remains of former humans that keep feeding on emotions. But the emotions they cause are pretty obvious.
For these spirits you usually have to do exorcism only once, doing it with banishing ritual is usually enough. spirits bound to places are worse, but even that can be dealt with, the best way is to make some agreement so that you can live along in peace.

The fake possession is not done by external spirit, but rather by you yourself. You are like a mind with admin rights to your body. but it can happen that your soul/mind shatters by stress or trauma and forms another mind, that also has admin rights to your body. And if not integrated back so that you are one and whole again, you can really form a monstrous demon. These are however practically impossible to exorcise, because they BELONG there. Exorcism might help, but only for a time, because it is like a painkilling pill, but the real problem remains and will reappear.

My perspective as mage:
Do exorcism once if you want it to be first thing you do. If it gets fine, fine. If the problem reappears or even gets worse, consider meeting professional.
If it is psychic problem, (split personality for example) seek professional help for sure.

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[loady]

Exorcism...
First about possession.
There are two kinds that I observe so far - fake and real possession. Real one is spirit from outside. usually when you do magic ritual with friendly spirits, they can possess you, but loose the hold because they tire themselves or simple let go when you tell them. They can rally control what you say or how you move, but as far as I can tell, they seem to be doing only during the ritual.
Some malevolent ones can appear too. FearEaters for example are a thing, I think they are some remains of former humans that keep feeding on emotions. But the emotions they cause are pretty obvious.
For these spirits you usually have to do exorcism only once, doing it with banishing ritual is usually enough. spirits bound to places are worse, but even that can be dealt with, the best way is to make some agreement so that you can live along in peace.

The fake possession is not done by external spirit, but rather by you yourself. You are like a mind with admin rights to your body. but it can happen that your soul/mind shatters by stress or trauma and forms another mind, that also has admin rights to your body. And if not integrated back so that you are one and whole again, you can really form a monstrous demon. These are however practically impossible to exorcise, because they BELONG there. Exorcism might help, but only for a time, because it is like a painkilling pill, but the real problem remains and will reappear.

My perspective as mage:
Do exorcism once if you want it to be first thing you do. If it gets fine, fine. If the problem reappears or even gets worse, consider meeting professional.
If it is psychic problem, (split personality for example) seek professional help for sure.

You can also take a look at this

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Thank you for sharing all that extensive information mate