Meditation, working from visualization toward empty mind

[DiLoco_DelEted]

Ave all,

Most of my meditation has been of a visualization nature, concentrating on a symbol such as a cube or a tarot card. I have before sought empty mind meditation but could not break through, I know everyone has their own method and timeline, but any beginners tips for the goal of empty mind?

Care, LVX.

 

[stratamaster78]

The ‘Empty Mind’ is my preferred type of meditation because I have ADHD really bad and get racing thoughts at times.

I use the Trataka method of gazing at a Candle Flame and stilling the mind.

I just focus on the changing flickering flame and sort of soften that gaze and enter a trance like state.

If a thought enters I don’t berate myself but simply acknowledge it and re center to a thoughtless state.

Sometimes I use light meditative music in the background and sometimes I use silence.

I do remember that you can’t burn candles right now but if you want to try this method you can use a YouTube video of a Candle Flame and several are on there with music playing.

Another bonus is that if you are trying to work on holding images in your mind’s eye you can focus on the flame for a few minutes eyes open and then close your eyes and the after image will be strong and especially in a dark room.

Continue to hold the Flame image even after the phosphenes fade away.

Open your eyes and gaze at the Candle again and repeat.

This way you are kind of multitasking and working on quieting the mind and visualization at the same time.

 

[Roma]

There are various mental skills to be developed including:

• ceasing thoughts that are not useful or distracting
• distinguishing incoming thoughts from home grown
• developing the inner senses on all the mental subplanes of which the most obvious is clairvoyance. There may be more than 5 senses per subplane
• control and clearing of each subplane, in part so that proper mental substance can be chosen at will for construction of thoughtforms etc
• connection with transpersonal sources and functions

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[theil]

A visualisation exercise helpful for me was imagining/feeling myself a stream of water and the bed of rocks (thoughts) my water-self flowed over. Feeling the stream as self, imagine the rocks of/in the stream floating up out of the water. Feel/observe urself without thoughts and allow the rocks to settle back down into the stream. Do this for several sessions until a sense of self can be observed flowing without noticable thought.
I find myself naturally now existing at times without thought in a state of no mind in an awareness of being...without judgement or prejudice. I often then choose to move into a state of "bliss" than dwelling/staying in neutrality.

 

[HoldAll]

For me it's void meditation - just sitting still, spine erect, and watching your breathing.

Posture: I use the 'god position' (just sitting on a hard chair with my hands on my thighs, no mudra or anything, without touching the backrest!). Jason Miller thinks that posture is too unstable and recommends sitting on the floor with crossed legs. I admit that he may be right because my pelvis started to wobble when I first started out but then I chanced upon this trick with the cushion (see p. 3), and now it's fine.

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I confess it took me some months to find the correct posture. I tend to slump forward, and somebody somewhere even wrote that he first had to develop the right muscles in his back to sit upright because he was so used to lounging around (there may be something to it). Anyway, when I think of the ideal posture, the Egyptian statues at Abu Simbel are as good as fixed in my mind:

Now it's beginning to feel like the correct posture is locked in place whenever I practice although I still make some small adjustments now and then.

Not-thinking: probably one of the hardest things you can do (or not do, as the case may be) with your mind. "While motionless and breathing deeply, begin to withdraw the mind from any thoughts which arise. The attempt to do this inevitably reveals the mind to be a raging tempest of activity. Only the greatest determination can win even a few seconds of mental silence, but even this is quite a triumph." (Peter J. Carroll, "Liber Null & Psychonaut"). Spot on. Let intruding thoughts come and go, let that tempest blow itself out and don't berate yourself for your initial inability to still the mind.

I once read somewhere that meditating meant "ceasing to struggle". That raging tempest Carroll speaks of? Let it rage, it will eventually calm down. Noises from outside your room? Most human environments produce noises, you're not meditating in the basement, are you? Worries? Accept them but here is a chance to take some time out from brooding if you want to. So I try ceasing to struggle (and ceasing to struggle with ceasing to struggle, etc. as well) for half an hour or so.

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

Thank you, will browse the file and read this again after my therapy appointment.

 

[Vandheer]

Mouni Sadhu has a good practice in his Concentration. You sit and try to watch a clock without any thought creeping.

 

[Xenophon]

Mouni Sadhu has a good practice in his Concentration. You sit and try to watch a clock without any thought creeping.

This does sound interesting. Will try it later.
(Originally I was going to say something about how it sounds like some jobs I've worked---watch the clock and no thinking.)

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

Meditation attempt on 'empty mind' - 3 minutes

First hurdle was sitting still in one posture - within first minute
Second was batting away idle thoughts until settling on housing as thought. - within third minute
What does it look like? Like a stereotypical gingerbread house.
How strong is your foundation? Luke 6:48-49.
How well is your kingdom governed, being governed by a government? No answer on this.
Finally, a few moments peace from idle thoughts. - third minute conclusion.

Also recorded in daily journal.
Will check the thread and follow the advice. I like the flame meditation. Flame meditations are also good will-strengthening exercises.

 

[HoldAll]

Meditation attempt on 'empty mind' - 3 minutes

First hurdle was sitting still in one posture - within first minute
Second was batting away idle thoughts until settling on housing as thought. - within third minute
What does it look like? Like a stereotypical gingerbread house.
How strong is your foundation? Luke 6:48-49.
How well is your kingdom governed, being governed by a government? No answer on this.
Finally, a few moments peace from idle thoughts. - third minute conclusion.

Finding the right posture is beneficial for all forms of meditation IMHO - I can't believe that anything can be gained from lolling around on a couch and listening to ambient music on the headphones while calling it 'meditation'. Whether you do visualisation exercises, pathworking or mantra chanting, it's my conviction that it's best practising while sitting upright in some posture (or standing up, that may be more appropriate for some routines, e.g. for Donald Tyson's kinetic magic). Like I said, it will take some time to find a "pleasant but firm posture" (Patanjali).

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

Since a fight with a sibling, I need meditation more than ever. I appreciate all the feedback and will try every approach.

 

[theil]

Since a fight with a sibling, I need meditation more than ever. I appreciate all the feedback and will try every approach.

Something I've tried that helped during anxiety or panic is feeling wherever in my body is holding that anxiety/panic is imagine taking a sip of love into urself like a taking a sip of coffee, tea or hot chocolate. Ur not trying to replace the trauma, anxiety with anything else by feeling something you're not but taking a sip of something you know exists into the pain currently being felt

 

[AlfrunGrima]

Focus for a longer period on autogenic training and work your way from there.

 

[LoveGuyGirl💗]

Meditation = inner god getting closer. Distractions ? Forces wanting you subdued. Keep fighting. 333333

 

[Audiolog Edu]

Since a fight with a sibling, I need meditation more than ever. I appreciate all the feedback and will try every approach.

I suffer from ADHD and it was very hard for me to start meditating, I did not knew a lot about it, so I found Dr Huberman from Huberman Labs, he is a neuroscientis who has studied meditation, you can find him on Youtube, he helped me with a simple Void Meditation man, sit as Hold All says, spine erect, close your eyes, and try to focus your atention in your "3rd Eye" area, this will help stay in void meditation, also another thing that can really help to stay with the void of mind would be to focus in 2 things at once, the first is the 3rd Eye area with eyes close and the second is the breath, for example Quareia has meditation exercise in which you visualize every inhale of air that the air you breath in is white and it fills all your body, and on the exhale you imagine the air becoming black as you exhale, I found in Aurum Solis books that this visualization is a way to tell your mind you are inhaling positive energy, exhaling negative residues, you dont necessary have to visualize the air, you can just focus your mind on breathing but to me it helps, just giving you ideas how I play with my mind while meditating Void Meditation style.

 

[theil]

I suffer from ADHD and it was very hard for me to start meditating, I did not knew a lot about it, so I found Dr Huberman from Huberman Labs, he is a neuroscientis who has studied meditation, you can find him on Youtube, he helped me with a simple Void Meditation man, sit as Hold All says, spine erect, close your eyes, and try to focus your atention in your "3rd Eye" area, this will help stay in void meditation, also another thing that can really help to stay with the void of mind would be to focus in 2 things at once, the first is the 3rd Eye area with eyes close and the second is the breath, for example Quareia has meditation exercise in which you visualize every inhale of air that the air you breath in is white and it fills all your body, and on the exhale you imagine the air becoming black as you exhale, I found in Aurum Solis books that this visualization is a way to tell your mind you are inhaling positive energy, exhaling negative residues, you dont necessary have to visualize the air, you can just focus your mind on breathing but to me it helps, just giving you ideas how I play with my mind while meditating Void Meditation style.

Interesting. Thanks for sharing the technique

 

[MerlinLeGrande]

Simply relax and think that nothing else exists exept breathing also try to close you eyes and do mediation in a dark and quiet room.

Hope it helps.

 

[dcwilson]

Ave all,

Most of my meditation has been of a visualization nature, concentrating on a symbol such as a cube or a tarot card. I have before sought empty mind meditation but could not break through, I know everyone has their own method and timeline, but any beginners tips for the goal of empty mind?

Care, LVX.

Emptying the mind is harder than you think. Repressing thoughts drives them "underground" without examination. Using a mantra replaces what's in your mind. There's another way!

You could stop trying to change or drive away your thoughts and listen to them dispassionately and trying not to repress them. You could just watch what you're thinking about dispassionately. This meditation is similar to self-hypnosis but it's not! (as it was created by a hypnotist, Roy Masters. He was a little over the edge, but his meditation is useful) It's simple enough, and it avoids killing off the Ego like Eastern thought wants you to do by starving it to death, or filling your mind with just one thought like "OM" because that's all that's left of your mind, when your done so it has no Mantra.

You could do some relaxation first: Sit in a comfortable chair. Bring your attention to your feet, tense them and relax; then tense your legs, let them relax, then visualize that tension/relaxation wave moving upwards toward your head, relaxing your whole body.

Close your eyes and bring your attention to your whole body. You should feel it tingle. This is your neural body sense. Bring your attention only to your right hand; it will tingle. As your thoughts arise, dispassionately watch them. When you drift away or get lost, gently bring your attention back to your hand. Don't make judgments or judge anything, especially yourself, or try to change anything. Just observe your thoughts. As you watch them, things will slowly be resolved - it takes some time. When you get lost in your thoughts, gently bring your attention back to your right hand again. If something is persistent, like music (you've memorized a lot more than you know), then bring your attention to what you're "seeing" with your eyes closed because it isn't completely dark ~ there are "lights" there, so bring your attention to them and watch them, and then bring your attention back to your hand. Occasionally, bring your attention to your forehead and "see" your hand (in your mind's eye) moving to your forehead, and maybe it will go there in time. It diminishes your roof-brain chatter.