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Mega- Thread about New Thought, LOA, Neville Goddard

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Sounds great to me, AlfrunGrima!

I've made so many off-hand comments peppered about about how I think it's a core practice. It would be nice to have a mega-thread. Or even an entire Chaos Magic / New Thought / Positive Mind Metaphysics sub-section.

New Thought (NT) communities are incredibly positive and supportive. Nobody thinks someone else's method takes anything away from theirs - at least among the Neville Goddardian "Law of Assumption" peeps. In New Thought, techniques are seen as just that - techniques - and are cumulative and reinforcing, rather than singular, specific, and insular.

The work great in that context - and same good ideas percolated outward later in the mid-20th century 'Wiccanate' formulations (as Prof. Ronald Hutton calls most modern paganism), which adopted and applied a lot of those same ideas.

These good ideas percolated on from the Gardnerians to other Wiccanate influced modern magic systems and most of WitchTok, where they became a creed, - and then later became bad ideas if appled without nuance to Sublunar 'Daimonic' systems. When someone yells at a traditional grimoire magician, "Just do magic, ya dummy," that is where that idea comes from.

So, if we had more operative separation between - variously - "Above and Below," "Heaven and Hell," "The Overworld and The Underworld," or "Mysticism and Sorcery," that would help a lot, I feel.

Underworld daimons, at least in the Grimorium Verum do have, or appear to have, very much their own preferences, and will let you know. "Doing whatever" because you don't like the protocols can get you in trouble if you're working with the "hot" part of the Infernal Hierarchy. Aside from a few, they are all quite particular, fitting what the myths of Hell/Hades teach us about dealing with beings from whatever that world is. As a wise man once said, "When in Rome, or Hell, speak Latin."
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MorganBlack did mention in far of the most of his posts New Thought, Neville Goddard and LOA. We agreed about starting a mega-thread about it to hopefully put all those bits and pieces together, to give people the room to exchange ideas about it, to put weblinks to information and concentrate the information somewhere on WF.
 
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I do think traditionalist practitioners need to take LOA and New Thought more seriously as its often looked down upon by more traditional frameworks, and I have seen many mideval grimoires that have excerpts about the power of belief being absolutely essential to the operation at hand. Where I think it gets absolutely confused though is attributing the entire process to the LOA/Chaos/Mentalist principles. There is a severe lack of ingenuity coming from those camps, that is, the part of magic in which the magus is receiving information or inspiration that is otherworldly, results oriented practical magic solely focused in manifestation is missing about two thirds of the process of magic, The receptive part and the transformative/wild goose chase part.

I take alot of inspiration from the LOA/Chaos magicians but unfortunately I think it being the sole focus is self limiting and is not the same thing that traditionalists/grimoiric practitioners experience where the cosmos is speaking to them in some architecture of high strangeness.
 
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