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What are your experiences with Mudras and Mantras ?

I’m starting to practice mudras and mantras and I wanted to know if anybody had any experience from using or practicing a certain mudra or mantra and what can a new practitioner of mudra and mantra know ?
 

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Umm it’s pretty diverse but easy, for some you can use them while talking or laying in bed you don’t even need to be meditating and mudras are pretty much instant, 2-5 minutes, even less in some cases. You don’t even need to be meditating in fact a good one to use while talking I’ll put below.
each finger has a corresponding element that you connect with the other side or leave out depending on what mudra it is
Example… you may have heard the idiom you “have an air about you” you can use pointer fingers (air) thumbs (fire) and other fingers folded, to exude confidence, you’ll notice a change in your presence and feel more confident and aware, you’ll often see leaders using this mudra. (It’s called Uttarabodhi )

I have a thread partially written on this I’ll try to finish and post tomorrow.
(Spoiler alert, there’s 2 other mudra’s in this position that utilizes the other fingers depending on how you position them inwards.. yoni and kalesvara)

But yeah…
Mudras are pretty easy to use and they don’t take much time noticing a change, typically 2-5 minutes, and during meditation they’re really great to utilize.
 

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Umm it’s pretty diverse but easy, for some you can use them while talking or laying in bed you don’t even need to be meditating and mudras are pretty much instant, 2-5 minutes, even less in some cases. You don’t even need to be meditating in fact a good one to use while talking I’ll put below.
each finger has a corresponding element that you connect with the other side or leave out depending on what mudra it is
Example… you may have heard the idiom you “have an air about you” you can use pointer fingers (air) thumbs (fire) and other fingers folded, to exude confidence, you’ll notice a change in your presence and feel more confident and aware, you’ll often see leaders using this mudra. (It’s called Uttarabodhi )

I have a thread partially written on this I’ll try to finish and post tomorrow.
(Spoiler alert, there’s 2 other mudra’s in this position that utilizes the other fingers depending on how you position them inwards.. yoni and kalesvara)

But yeah…
Mudras are pretty easy to use and they don’t take much time noticing a change, typically 2-5 minutes, and during meditation they’re really great to utilize.
thank you for this information, I will be on the lookout for the thread seems like my spirit is always impatient.
 

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thank you for this information, I will be on the lookout for the thread seems like my spirit is always impatient.
No you’re on time, mine is just forgetful 😂 Skull reminded me to finish it because he saw your post. here’s the elements all fingers correspond to though

Thumb - Fire
Pointer - Air
Middle - Ether
Ring - Earth
Pinky - Water

It’s interesting seeing the different elements and how they align to each mudra and what the association is with them.
That’ll be good to focus on if you just are getting into them, it may help remember them.
 

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No you’re on time, mine is just forgetful 😂 Skull reminded me to finish it because he saw your post. here’s the elements all fingers correspond to though

Thumb - Fire
Pointer - Air
Middle - Ether
Ring - Earth
Pinky - Water

It’s interesting seeing the different elements and how they align to each mudra and what the association is with them.
That’ll be good to focus on if you just are getting into them, it may help remember them.
thank you for this I will use this a reference for my mudra education, Im guessing the finger can help you connect or raise the element your weakest at that moment.
 

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All credit for the idea to Digital Ambler, but I've been using mudras to represent the 16 geomantic figures.
Index = Fire
Middle = Air
Ring = Water
Pinky = Earth
You extend the finger to make that element passive, and curl it in to make it active. A knowledge of geomancy makes it easy to, say, gesture a geomantic court and feel very wizard-like for it ;) I've used this for gambling magic to success, but can be used to enable even basic elemental magic. Curling in your index finger only (active fire) to send an expression of fiery energy to liven up a party, or curling in the water and earth finger to combine their associations. I've only used this system for geomantic stuff specifically rather than just generic elementalism, but there is no reason it shouldn't work.
 

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I don't even remember how long ago I saw a picture (probably not a photograph) of Jesus making the sign of Blessing but his pinky was also raised.
This is described in Eliphas Levi's book too, as a sort of representing the Devil's face, but before I read that I thought it might have been a way to make the letter Shin (Jesus adding the Shin to YHVH)
Anyway, I have been using it as a greeting for a very long time now. Left hand, thumb and ringfinger touching and the other three fingers up. Kinda looks like a Shin but it is also the V + I of six, or "love".
 

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All credit for the idea to Digital Ambler, but I've been using mudras to represent the 16 geomantic figures.
Index = Fire
Middle = Air
Ring = Water
Pinky = Earth
You extend the finger to make that element passive, and curl it in to make it active. A knowledge of geomancy makes it easy to, say, gesture a geomantic court and feel very wizard-like for it ;) I've used this for gambling magic to success, but can be used to enable even basic elemental magic. Curling in your index finger only (active fire) to send an expression of fiery energy to liven up a party, or curling in the water and earth finger to combine their associations. I've only used this system for geomantic stuff specifically rather than just generic elementalism, but there is no reason it shouldn't work.
🤔 it may work for some practices but doesn’t seem to work to figure out any of the well known Mudras. It leaves out Ether, I am trying to see or find out more correlations and other utilizations of Mudras and if any can be used in combination to produce a bigger effect of something else. But this was interesting to see another take on the elements.

Edit: I was looking into Kujo Kiri and it seems like thumb being fire is associated within that as well. It also has a hand symbol that uses thumb and pointer for power and energy, so if you switch the meaning and fire is pointer then energy would be thumb but it makes more sense to leave it as is. However, that’s just a cursory glance. 🤔

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I don't even remember how long ago I saw a picture (probably not a photograph) of Jesus making the sign of Blessing but his pinky was also raised.
This is described in Eliphas Levi's book too, as a sort of representing the Devil's face, but before I read that I thought it might have been a way to make the letter Shin (Jesus adding the Shin to YHVH)
Anyway, I have been using it as a greeting for a very long time now. Left hand, thumb and ringfinger touching and the other three fingers up. Kinda looks like a Shin but it is also the V + I of six, or "love".
I know the portrait you’re talking about. And yeah from what I gathered it meant love, seeing how it’s a mudra as well was pretty interesting, in Orthodox Church that hand sign means the start of a sermon. You’ll see it used before someone speaks to gesture what’s happening in the photo.
** edit my bad it’s used before a sermon to show they are about to deliver the message of Christ. So the portrait usually has a closed book in it. I just looked it up 😅
 
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On mudras some more, there are great applications in the context of grand high rituals. Along with their traditional, historical uses in meditation and such, I'm thinking of the Roman oration tradition with its "mudras" to denote your action/intention when orating (Chironomia), and how neat that'd be in, say, your evocations of spirits. But my favourite application is their ease of use for public, spontaneous magic.

My work has me dealing with, at times, very explosive clients, and I find casually holding my hand in the geomantic sign of Albus (a figure of peace, business dealings, etc.) helps keep both of us calm in the hectic moments. Some of them can be uncomfortable to hold (physically or socially, look up the figure Puella and try to turn that into a hand sign), but I find the slight effort fulfils the same role and function as thumbing a rosary. A little move to focus and ground your attention so as to enter a magical state of mind.

Actually, come to think of it, anything you could do with a rosary you could probably do with a handsign. Time to experiment with dipping your middle finger in a cup of water to create war water.
 

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Try to find some one who has "activated" whatever mantra if possible.



Do you find an internal correspondence to chakras or energy centers?
everything is connected my brother it's all about finding out how to connect the dots. In other terms we are computers/machines and using mudras can help complete the circuit.
 

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interesting,

kuji kiri comes across like tai chi

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Kuji-Kiri is like a meditative prayer.

Kototama or kotodama is also fundamental to Japanese martial arts, for instance, in the use of kiai.[citation needed] Morihei Ueshiba, the founder of aikido and a student of Deguchi, used kototama as a spiritual basis for his teachings. William Gleason says Ueshiba "created aikido based on the kototama principle," and quotes him that "Aikido is the superlative way to practice the kototama. It is the means by which one realizes his true nature as a god and finds ultimate freedom."[1] Mutsuro Nakazono, a disciple of Ueshiba, wrote books on the importance of kototama in aikido, such as The Kototama Principle in 1983.[2]
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While other cultures have parallels to kotodama, such as mantra, yanling, mana, and logos, some Japanese people believe the "word spirit" is unique to the Japanese language. One of the classical names of Japan is kototama no sakiwau kuni (言霊の幸わう国, "the land where the mysterious workings of language bring bliss"),[3][ISBN missing][page needed] a phrase that originated in the Man'yōshū.

Kotodama or kototama refers to the Japanese belief that mystical powers dwell in words and names. English translations include "soul of language", "spirit of language", "power of language", "power word", "magic word", and "sacred sound". The notion of kotodama presupposes that sounds can magically affect objects, and that ritual word usages can influence the environment, body, mind and soul. Some interpret the belief as the discovery of vibratory commands words have that can affect physiology and the mind.

The kuji-in (Japanese: 九字印) or jiǔzìyìn (Chinese: 九字印), also known as Nine Hand Seals, is a system of mudras and associated mantras that consist of nine syllables. The mantras are referred to as kuji (Japanese: 九字), which literally translates as nine characters. The syllables used in kuji are numerous, especially within Japanese esoteric Mikkyō.[citation needed]

Scholars have stated that kuji is of Taoist origin, not Buddhist.[1]

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Edit: I was looking into Kujo Kiri and it seems like thumb being fire is associated within that as well. It also has a hand symbol that uses thumb and pointer for power and energy, so if you switch the meaning and fire is pointer then energy would be thumb but it makes more sense to leave it as is. However, that’s just a cursory glance. 🤔
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when i put my hands into some mudras, its like they want to explode apart. like magnets repelling . same feeling as when i do tai chi and feel chi flow until i get into the high frequency arms feeling.
 

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What are your experiences with Mudras and Mantras ?

I’m starting to practice mudras and mantras and I wanted to know if anybody had any experience from using or practicing a certain mudra or mantra and what can a new practitioner of mudra and mantra know ?

Try to find some one who has "activated" whatever mantra if possible.



Do you find an internal correspondence to chakras or energy centers?
About mudras, never experimented with them.

About mantras. This is my experience with them.

Spamming a mantra/mantras opens you spiritually. It clears the "channel" so you become spiritually a lot more open. This can and will make you very sensitive to energies. It dissolves some blockades. These blockades get blasted off when raw force is applied. Quantity, long focused sessions, and hot mantras can do this fast.

Now should it really be done fast? I'd say no. Some parts of your spiritual engine are not ready for it. You should be really careful, there can be very unpleasant side effects. When you start working with them, you have to start from smaller numbers and keep adding more over time. Else the practices will overload you, the practice, it makes you feel horrific pains in your head, burning third eye. Anger, irritated states, feeling like exploding. This is the gym example, take it easy, slow and steady, or you will hurt yourself.

Unlocking. I think one thing is unlocking a mantra further, the other is unlocking your overall sensitivity and the abilities. In a very open state you can connect quite easily with any mantra, within hour-hours. It feels like everything comes in unfiltered, the barriers disappear and the energies enter you almost instantly. I was in a state like that for years, where all energies came in like a waterfall. This became a problem, like connecting with too many things at once until you feel like getting ripped apart. It's better to focus on the mantras connected to a system/religion, that you like the most - than spam everything at once. This turns into a chaotic spiritual mess. Now I try to focus more on working within the frames of a system, and some experimentation with the others.

When something is unlocked, the senses, abilities. Mantras will give extraordinary states of bliss, high, supreme wellbeing effects.

There are short mantras, medium length, long ones. A short one can be more difficult since the reading speed is too fast. A single word thing can be read more than 10000-15000x+ per hour.

You have to first figure out which path to pick. This will become your main. Switching is possible but can be difficult, after a certain point you will connect a lot with whatever you are doing. You have to start from somewhere, begin the training process. Maybe at first 10-15 minutes, after a while 30 minutes, then 60. Then 1,5-2 hours, 3+ 4+. This is individual and when you do it as DIY, pay attention to what happens.

At first with the mantras, more energy comes in than goes out. This makes you feel stacked, loaded, charged, but also overwhelmed. Then something will blast open, the bottle cap goes off. After this point you can spam more. You get the openness but the engine still lags behind. It cannot yet process so much information and energy. I call this data + energy. Processing words, word after word, mantra after mantra, thousands upon thousands. Once the engine is ready, you can go for very long sessions, 10-12-14-16+ hours and not feel overwhelmed at all.

The main mantras which I have worked with, hesychast Jesus prayer and the Sufi dhikr "la ilaha illallah", both are blazing hot. The "om mani padme hum", hare Krishna, are also both effective. There are many interesting ones, Kali mantras, Vishnu, Kubera, Ganesha. I chose the monastic and sufi ones because of the power words and strength. Both names Jesus and Allah are incredibly hot.

The mantras can be categorized as cold and hot ones. Sufis call them, jamali (beauty) jalali, (majestic). Now people are different. Some can only use the cold ones, others prefer the hot stuff. Some use both to balance it. Some start from spamming cold + some hot and later become hot spammers. The arab example would be salawats being cold and "la ilaha illallah" being a majestic hot dhikr/mantra.
 

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Some people with no training have felt similar effects to simple mudras (finger to thumb), but not necessarily in the traditional way.
 

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Some people with no training have felt similar effects to simple mudras (finger to thumb), but not necessarily in the traditional way.
i find that the repelling feeling occurs more strongly and immediately when touch the thumb nails in particular to the second or third finger nails. ..

i had heard about that in this old image.


when i hold this hand sign,
a commonly seen handsign - in other processes like tai chi, or in other words
- when i wave my arms around with my hands like in figure eights.

if i hold the hands with thumb nail to third fingers nail.
it feels like im weaving around two charged magnets that are conducting energy, that cant cross paths, and want to explode apart.

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