Religion is spiritual castration

[KevinLogan]

People getting down and praying on their knees, bowing before a God who created all their suffering.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Ironic how Christians will call you a Satanist if you tell them the Serpent never lied to Adam and Eve but rather brought enlightenment to humanity.
While God himself works together with Satan.

Job 1:6-12
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.
And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?
Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.
But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.
And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord.

The Serpent gave humanity the way to become Gods, and the creator God is an evil bastard and couldn't stand humanity not being mindless drones to serve him.

Just lol at all these Christians who don't even understand their religion was created by the Romans and that it isn't even based on the Bible. Even Evangelical and Baptist Christians have many of the same beliefs as the Romans like a triune God and rejection of Gnostic scriptures. Christianity is a disempowering death cult and the best aspects of Christianity were taken from Paganism and Pagan traditions. Like the veneration of Saints and veneration of the Mother Goddess (Mary) in Roman Catholicism.

 

[Ziran]

So... in what ways is this producing spiritual castration?

 

[Lemongrass00]

Pride causes spiritual castration

 

[stalkinghyena]

But what exactly is spiritual castration?
I don't get it.

 

[IllusiveOwl]

What I'm curious about is what exactly the other option is outside of religion that allows you to become spiritually erect and full of juice, because it can't be Atheism. Is it mysticism?

What exactly do you want the people working at Walmart to do? Pick up an occult regiment and meditate? Become Gnostic? Read Plato? That would take up all their television time!

 

[KevinLogan]

What exactly do you want the people working at Walmart to do? Pick up an occult regiment and meditate? Become Gnostic? Read Plato?

Yes, this is a start

 

[IllusiveOwl]

Yes, this is a start

Have you experienced the public before? Ever work customer service?

Carl Jung divided humanity into two categories: The Individuated, and the Herd.

Religion exists for a very good and practical reason, just like sports and beer.

 

[stalkinghyena]

People getting down and praying on their knees, bowing before a God who created all their suffering.

People have been known to this before going into battle. It can be quite motivating, Plato's "spirited" type of man.

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[IllusiveOwl]

Maybe instead of being a spiritual castration, it's more like spiritual potato chips. It's slop that fills the pigs troth. They can't help that they're pigs, but they suffer, and religion is a good enough ointment to keep them placid.

Jesus said in the Gnostic scrolls that everyone in the world is drunk, and when people sober up, they'll naturally go to him.

 

[silentlucidity]

There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance—that principle is contempt prior to investigation.
Herbert Spencer

I found my Spiritual Awakening in what I believed at the time was the most unlikely of places. It was not religion, but I have met some people who used religion as a springboard to their own enlightenment. I do perceive flaws in most religion; however, that doesn't suggest it is a dead-end. I am constantly amazed by the multitude of paths toward spiritual growth and once I set my foot on a path, the synchronicities begin.

I am not sure where my path will lead me tomorrow, but I am excited to find out.

I am not prepared to state any path cannot lead somewhere fruitful with respect to spirituality.

 

[KjEno186]

One occult philosopher said that the YOD in the divine name YHVH is the universal phallic principle. (Jean Dubuis, The Philosophers of Nature Vol 1) It takes a YOD to "inseminate"!

Considering the fact that most English Bibles have obscured or removed YHVH from the text, it would seem that Christianity does 'castrate' spirituality. Emphasis is placed on "being good" and participating in sectarian rituals, but there's (to my knowledge) no discussion of the mystical nature of the stories. We are taught that they are simple morality tales that actually happened, no questions asked.

I'm not unhappy that I was made to learn so much about the Bible. I'm quite familiar with the scriptures, so when an author like Neville Goddard explained the mystical meaning behind so many accounts I was familiar with, something clicked. It certainly helped that I was no longer a believer, having become an atheist some years ago. I simply could not accept the absurdities found in literalist Biblical apologetics.

So, I meditated on why some parts of the Bible seem to fit with occult teachings while others don't. Well, the answer seemed obvious. The people who assembled the official canon of scriptures were just like those who aggregate knowledge today. Writers were just as opinionated thousands of years ago as they are today. Being antiquated doesn't make something true, much less infallible. Libraries contain fiction, after all, and nobody has made a religion of the works of Shakespeare (yet).

Spirituality itself is a very individual thing, and I suppose being born into a religion that takes a "my way or the highway" approach to knowledge is rather like being "castrated" as a child. Fortunately, at least some people reclaim their right to discover their own path to spirituality.

 

[silentlucidity]

One occult philosopher said that the YOD in the divine name YHVH is the universal phallic principle. (Jean Dubuis, The Philosophers of Nature Vol 1) It takes a YOD to "inseminate"!

Considering the fact that most English Bibles have obscured or removed YHVH from the text, it would seem that Christianity does 'castrate' spirituality. Emphasis is placed on "being good" and participating in sectarian rituals, but there's (to my knowledge) no discussion of the mystical nature of the stories. We are taught that they are simple morality tales that actually happened, no questions asked.

I'm not unhappy that I was made to learn so much about the Bible. I'm quite familiar with the scriptures, so when an author like Neville Goddard explained the mystical meaning behind so many accounts I was familiar with, something clicked. It certainly helped that I was no longer a believer, having become an atheist some years ago. I simply could not accept the absurdities found in literalist Biblical apologetics.

So, I meditated on why some parts of the Bible seem to fit with occult teachings while others don't. Well, the answer seemed obvious. The people who assembled the official canon of scriptures were just like those who aggregate knowledge today. Writers were just as opinionated thousands of years ago as they are today. Being antiquated doesn't make something true, much less infallible. Libraries contain fiction, after all, and nobody has made a religion of the works of Shakespeare (yet).

Spirituality itself is a very individual thing, and I suppose being born into a religion that takes a "my way or the highway" approach to knowledge is rather like being "castrated" as a child. Fortunately, at least some people reclaim their right to discover their own path to spirituality.

Agreed.

I was amazed to learn of the esoteric knowledge hidden in so many religious texts. That most of those religions mask that knowledge from the "profane" and the same teachings span multiple faiths, only drives my quest for those deeper mysteries.

However, the quest for knowledge in books is only one dimension to the spirituality uncovered within. To my mind, it is actually the lesser path. You mention meditation and that is a part of my spiritual practice.

I think that is where many fall short. They practice religion inside the church at services, but leave the principles at the door when they depart.

SL

 

[Ziran]

Pride causes spiritual castration

Pride causes ... a permanent spiritual change?

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What I'm curious about is what exactly the other option is outside of religion that allows you to become spiritually erect and full of juice, because it can't be Atheism. Is it mysticism?

" spiritually erect and full of juice "

... Working out, physically, for example. Going to the gym is a perfectly valid cultivation path. There's many paths beyond religion. Whatever inspires the individual passionately can be refined into a path for personal development. Spiritual or, otherwise.

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Maybe instead of being a spiritual castration, it's more like spiritual potato chips. It's slop that fills the pigs troth.

... a descent for the purpose of ascension ...

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it would seem that Christianity does 'castrate' spirituality.

hmmm,

... the spirit indwelling of Christ in the Christian could be considered a type of invocation? See Phil 2?

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a religion that takes a "my way or the highway" approach to knowledge is rather like being "castrated" as a child.

agreed

 

[IllusiveOwl]

Working out, physically, for example. Going to the gym is a perfectly valid cultivation path. There's many paths beyond religion. Whatever inspires the individual passionately can be refined into a path for personal development. Spiritual or, otherwise.

Most of the gym-rats I've met have been red / black pilled, they don't come across as very developed. I would also like to emphasize that there is a profound difference between personal and spiritual development. They're of two completely different perspectives, one from within the great narrative Game and one from without it in objective reality, a small zoomed in frame compared to the entire picture, often they're developed alongside one another in a healthy process, but they can't be if they're seen as just one thing.

Sure, following what inspires you is great advice for life, but doing just that isn't enough, there needs to be a cultivation of awareness alongside that, a person needs to develop their connection to life itself, to abstract ideals like beauty and creation, and regardless of whatever their passion is, there needs to be a cultivation of stillness, because without that there cannot be any kind of reasonable control.

... a descent for the purpose of ascension ...

There is a lot of assumption in that statement with no justification, it's just cope. You're stating there's a purpose to creation and a grand plan that will guarantee everyone wakes up and doesn't just fizzle away like a puff of smoke. That perspective makes it more tolerable seeing people living as mindless pigs going nowhere and getting fat before dying just as miserable, afraid, and stupid as they were when they came into this life.

Many, many people cannot or will not develop, for them there is religion as a balm to make their dream-like and brutal lives more bearable until the end. What would become of these people if religion was taken away? There'd be mass-psychosis even worse than the one developing all around us at this current moment, it'd be bedlam, because some people genuinely do need the threat of eternal damnation and of a watchful father in the sky seeing their every thought to not let themselves degrade into apes.

 

[Ziran]

There is a lot of assumption in that statement with no justification, it's just cope.

I was commenting on religion. You had referred to religion as slop. I proposed, a religion is a descent for the purpose of ascent. One gives up freedom in the hope that it will produce freedom. In a way, yes, it's slop, but, it can be useful.

 

[Lemongrass00]

Pride causes ... a permanent spiritual change?

I was more taking a jab at OP than making a serious statement

 

[IllusiveOwl]

a religion is a descent for the purpose of ascent. One gives up freedom in the hope that it will produce freedom. In a way, yes, it's slop, but, it can be useful.

Just like the slop that pigs eat sustains and nourishes their spiritual erections. A particular trait of Islamic faith is surrender to God, this is the giving up of freedom you were mentioning. It's helpful to explain your perspectives and ideas in full sentences, perhaps even paragraphs, rather than just vague short esoteric aphorisms, it's difficult to be understood that way and it's bad for discourse.

 

[Ziran]

Just like the slop that pigs eat sustains and nourishes their spiritual erections

What's wrong with pigs? What's wrong with permitting them to procreate? In the right time and place, it's a good thing?

At the very least, have you considered the power that is coming from opposition to these pigs? For those who are inspired by the conflict, the existence of these "pigs" is a smorgasbord for them. You're getting pumped up talking about it... right? Well, that's a taste of this power. Whether it's good or useful depends on the individual and what they choose to do with it. Assuming a thing is bad, simply because "I don't like it" is foolish and immature. Aversions are a source of power.

Most of the gym-rats I've met have been red / black pilled, they don't come across as very developed.

Right. Most do not refine their passions into a cultivation path. So what? The opportunity is there.

Most do not refine their religious practice into a cultivation path either in spite of the potential benefits.

It's helpful to explain your perspectives and ideas in full sentences, perhaps even paragraphs, rather than just vague short esoteric aphorisms, it's difficult to be understood that way and it's bad for discourse.

Sorry

 

[Sabbatius]

However, the quest for knowledge in books is only one dimension to the spirituality uncovered within. To my mind, it is actually the lesser path. You mention meditation and that is a part of my spiritual practice.

I think that is where many fall short. They practice religion inside the church at services, but leave the principles at the door when they depart.

I would have to disagree.

Most observe the loudest and most public of the congregation. Those most devout are often quiet, reflective and more spiritual. Assuming you are referring to the Christian practice, do not look at the ones who talk the loudest at the coffee hour, but the quiet ladies and men who are still in the sanctuary, tending to the candles and, in my case, icons. These live their faith and principles daily, with their lives, not surrendering but professing their faith and practice without words.

These are the practitioners who live their lives, many of whom are mystics and are more esoteric than any Crowley-bot wishes to be.

Methinks the issue lies in the "denomination" as well, as most Evangelical, Protestant and Novus Ordo faithful are struggling to even understand the mystical nature of the faith and practice truly is. It took me well into my 30's to even comprehend the nature of what a mystical life and experience involves, let alone attempting to bore into the core root of how or why.

To note, this is just my $0.02

 

[Asteriskos]

Have you experienced the public before? Ever work customer service?

Carl Jung divided humanity into two categories: The Individuated, and the Herd.

Religion exists for a very good and practical reason, just like sports and beer.

@KevinLogan,

Have you ever considered the possibility that Most, if not All religion is a carefully crafted Control System? There is the: "yes, but they teach Moral principles to the unwashed masses B$. Morality does not require Religion. Hopefully, through the practice of Magic you will outgrow the need for an external / outer religion, internally within yourself is an "Individuality". At that point religion as well as everything else around you appears differently!
Additionally, everyone around you has a different level of perception, if they want to be part of a herd religion let them, eventually they'll change their opinion. Be concerned for Yourself!

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@KevinLogan,

Have you ever considered the possibility that Most, if not All religion is a carefully crafted Control System? There is the: "yes, but they teach Moral principles to the unwashed masses B$. Morality does not require Religion. Hopefully, through the practice of Magic you will outgrow the need for an external / outer religion, internally within yourself is an "Individuality". At that point religion as well as everything else around you appears differently!
Additionally, everyone around you has a different level of perception, if they want to be part of a herd religion let them, eventually they'll change their opinion. Be concerned for Yourself!

Damn, I forgot that arguing, debating religion is not only a Waste of Time, it's Worse than That! Look at the F*CKING WARS and other Wonderful things Religion has brought us! The Persecution and Death of innocent people in the Name of Religion! WTF is That all About? See what I mean about a Control System? What's Not to Like?