Some interesting links concerning Jesus

[Asteriskos]

I recently stumbled upon some links concerning Jesus and Christianity that offer some opportunities for thought.
I'm a sorcerer who left Christianity a Long, Long time ago, and ultimately have not looked back, so I view this material from my own perspective.
I submit this for anyone who might be interested.

First a Blog and Doctoral thesis by Dr. Helen Ingram who has conducted some amazing research on Jesus, and has included a Lot of references to Magic, et al, within the PGM. She feels that the parallels with the Gospels, and references to magic in the PGM are beyond disputing. I was just amazed by her Level of research in this!
She offers this research from a purely Academic standpoint, not from that of an occultist's point of view.

Here is a link to her Blog: Was Jesus a Magician:

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And, here is a link to her Doctoral thesis which the Blog is based upon:

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And, just for good measure here's another link that is kind of peripheral, if lighter in tone.

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I'm not posting these links to "bash" Christianity lest someone think that. This research is simply so Well Done and Impressive, at least to me, I thought I might offer it for other's consideration.

 

[Shade]

I’ll have to check out the links, I left Christianity long ago and specifically told my dad that when it comes to Jesus I don’t have faith.
I then read all the parables in the book of Thomas (Judas) all 114, having a passive knowledge of gnostic texts I copy and pasted every parable and wrote down the meaning, over time my understanding evolved and one day it clicked… one of the things he says is…
2!Jesus said, “Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will rule over all.”
Well with that type of incentive… you can imagine my obsession, I didn’t find the power I thought it was offering but I found more. I think Jesus/Yeshua was infact a magician,
He has many lost years and when he returns all it says in Bible cannon is “I call my son out of Egypt” in those years there’s no telling what mystery school he was in or what he learned.
Not to mention… his mother was supposedly a virgin… her name was Mary, his grandmother was supposedly a virgin named Mary, Mary Magdalene was most likely not a whore but rather an apostle.
Thanks Constatine for royally screwing up the Bible and king James for perverting it even further smh.

 

[Asteriskos]

I’ll have to check out the links

Yep, Egyptian Magic! In all seriousness Dr. Ingram's research is Nothing if not Compelling! It's simply uncanny how she was able to put all this in such an incredibly straight forward logical sequence of events, please reference those links! Especially, how she puts in those rather undeniable references within the Gospels, ala, the Magic within the PGM, with Lots of reference numbers to illustrate, Incredible research!
It's High Praise, but she Deserves every bit of it! I'm indeed fortunate, I have the PGM "with Demotic in Translation" both hardback and digital.
What I found myself doing though was flipping back and forth between her blog PGM references, and the digital version of the PGM, of course the Ancients would have called That Magic!

She "intellectualized" everything that I felt Intuitively so long ago, I don't have the means to describe it better than that!

Those of us that for various reasons have "Seen the Light", (No Pun intended, and I postulate the number is growing) likely feel similar to:
"What on Earth took me So Long?" But, I digress...

N.B.
She references the British Library to get her Doctoral Thesis which she has graciously made sure is free to D/L..
However, the British Library seems to be having some issues with their website, so... I have provided an alternate link to her thesis from "archive.org", please grab a copy while it's Hot! It's too Good to pass up!

 

[Konsciencia]

It is obvious that Jesus was a Wizard. Supposedly, as the story goes.

 

[Asteriskos]

It is obvious that Jesus was a Wizard. Supposedly, as the story goes.

I never saw it proven with so much research and detail, that's why I thought it was done so well!
I would recommend to anyone who is in doubt, to check her stuff out.

 

[Amur]

Siddhis have for long been forbidden to do in public just because humans get excited, it's an old law and Jebus went against this law so I wonder. Then again another reference are there any Siddhis anyway? So good to think from that viewpoint also.

 

[Asteriskos]

Siddhis have for long been forbidden to do in public just because humans get excited, it's an old law and Jebus went against this law so I wonder. Then again another reference are there any Siddhis anyway? So good to think from that viewpoint also.

I believe there are Siddhis. Also, sorcery being against Jewish religious law, even for Kings, makes you wonder what Solomon was doing practicing all that evocation, etc?

 

[Amur]

Also, sorcery being against Jewish religious law, even for Kings, makes you wonder what Solomon was doing practicing all that evocation, etc?

Yeah good point about Solomon. Perhaps they saw the need to not have that law affect a few of their 'chosen ones'.

 

[WonderFire]

There is a book Jesus the Magician by Morton Smith that argues exactly that- that what Jesus was doing fits perfectly the image of a sorcerer from that time and place. One of the more interesting books out there, I highly recommend it.

 

[Asteriskos]

There is a book Jesus the Magician by Morton Smith that argues exactly that- that what Jesus was doing fits perfectly the image of a sorcerer from that time and place. One of the more interesting books out there, I highly recommend it.

Yeah, in the original post thesis material that I linked above, Dr. Ingram not only mentions many PGM magical references, but she also mentions Smith's book as well! I wasn't aware of his book prior to stumbling upon Her work though. I've since grabbed a digital copy of Smith's book, and I'm checking it out now. Her material, and his book both complement each other. If you haven't already, I recommend checking out the links to Her work that I posted too!

 

[Snoopy]

Siddhis have for long been forbidden to do in public just because humans get excited, it's an old law and Jebus went against this law so I wonder. Then again another reference are there any Siddhis anyway? So good to think from that viewpoint also.

where have you heard or found this information at ?

 

[Amur]

where have you heard or found this information at ?

From some link to India. Can't remember what it was, sorry.

 

[Asteriskos]

where have you heard or found this information at ?

There's plenty of information in the Gospels, and Old Testament against "sorcery" and related "magical" practices, no exceptions.
Also, plenty of information in the material discussed above: The Book "Jesus the Magician" by Morton Smith, as well as the material I linked to in my original post, no shortage of examples that the "Pharisees" were convinced Jesus was guilty of practicing. Examples of Jesus using what would be termed "Siddhis" in India, psychic and magical powers that he developed while in Egypt during those "missing" years. That term is merely an Eastern way of saying "psychic or magical" powers, Semantics. It's compelling documentation, maybe not "light reading", but for those with an interest in the subject, thought provoking. That's why I posted it!

 

[primalpiggy]

The references against sorcery in the Bible typically refer to either necromancy or pharmacology. Those 16th and 17th century mistranslations of the original Hebrew into sorcery were oddly convenient ways to oppress paganism.

 

[Asteriskos]

The references against sorcery in the Bible typically refer to either necromancy or pharmacology. Those 16th and 17th century mistranslations of the original Hebrew into sorcery were oddly convenient ways to oppress paganism.

I'll buy that there were some stupid, as well as "selected mistranslations" of Bible material, it's what religious and secular regimes Do!
Interesting point, who wasn't exposed to Saul, the Witch of Endor, and the shade of of the prophet Samuel? Entheogens don't seem to ever have fallen out of favor? Everywhere in the vicinity during antiquity "magic" was just a "papyri" away!
Have you examined the material links I posted above?

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Asteriskos said:
Everywhere in the vicinity during antiquity "magic" was just a "papyri" away!

Uh..., Everywhere in the vicinity during antiquity "magic" was just a "few papyri" away!

 

[Kelodo]

Thank you very much for this post and it's information. It is extremely timely.
I read Morton Smiths work a while ago and it was very impacting.
So this was a treat to read today!

I'm very much like you when it concerns the Gospels of Thomas, and it then turned me in the direction of the Qumran Community and their magical practises.

Unfortunately the links provided on your post have not been fruitful due to a ddos attack.
But I will save this post and download as soon as all is fixed.

Again, many thanks.

 

[Asteriskos]

@Kelodo,

You're Welcome. Glad you liked my "trying" to get her stuff across here!
All the links were working as of the post date, so whomever is responsible for the "ddos" attack will Not prevail.

N.B.
I have Helen Ingram's PhD thesis in PDF entitled: "DRAGGING DOWN HEAVEN: JESUS AS MAGICIAN AND MANIPULATOR OF SPIRITS IN THE GOSPELS" by HELEN INGRAM, which is essentially a "book" successfully submitted for her PhD thesis, it's about Twice the "digital size" of Morton's book, which is in digital PDF as well! She has stated it will always remain Free for D/L to reach as many people as possible!
And, if That weren't enough, I took her whole blog, which basically is her thesis for the "general public" and printed each section "to" PDF as well! Us "Strategic and Tactical" sorcerers Always "Hedge Our Bets" Long Experience!

So, if you continue having difficulty getting her stuff, (and trust me, it's All Worth it!) feel free to PM / DM me, and I'll see what I can do!
I have a "boxcar" full of respect for her work!

Cheers!

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N.B.

As of right now ( 10 /21/24 ) For what it's worth archive.org is back up, but after being down for a while the load on the server is super heavy, and it's SLOW! It's Possible to D/L her thesis If you're Patient!

Happy Samhain!