Spiritual Frauds/magickal frauds

[Gregorius]

How do i spot a fraud whos spouting bs

 

[Robert Ramsay]

From my experience on this forum, they usually make wild claims about flying, conquering pantheons of demons etc.
The equivalent of joining a roleplaying group and declaring "I AM ARES GOD OF WAR!!!" (Which happened to my wife when she was an admin)
Basically, if it looks like bollocks and the person refuses to give you straight answers, your bullshit detector is functioning correctly.

 

[Jackson]

Do you truly need to know if your neighbor can fly?

 

[Xenophon]

How do i spot a fraud whos spouting bs

Most of them are unaware that any other pronoun exists besides the first-person singular. That and relentless one-upmanship. "Jesus cast out a couple of demons into a herd of swine and drowned 'em? BFD. Yesterday, I cast out a reinforced battalion of demons into a herd of elephants and pureed them possessed pachyderms!"

 

[IllusiveOwl]

A lot of the charlatans out there are either mistaken, mentally ill, or con-men. The mistaken and ill are pretty easy to spot, someone of genuine accomplishment has grace, certainty, intelligence, etc, where as someone mistaken, when investigated or asked prodding questions, will wobble. The ill tune in & out of incoherency, paranoia, and detachment from reality, so if you can't spot the ramblings of an ill person when you see it, God help you.

The biggest concern is con-men, folk who want to make a buck off esoteric "well duh"'s and fear-mongering. Look for fad exploitation, ego-boosting, and references to other works a person has made in the past to convince you to buy more. A lack of references to other works/masters is a good red flag, so is a lack of genuine success in the material world. If you're unlucky enough to talk to a con-man, just look at how they react to anything that may question their authority or reputation. If they fear you looking behind the curtain, they're probably not an actual wizard

To discover some truth feels like remembering, you don't need to convince yourself of it, the truth is the truth, it's a unique and precious experience. Once you get a nack for recognizing what is real and what is delusion, it'll be easier to find the good shit.

Do you truly need to know if your neighbor can fly?

Imagine not being able to fly

 

[Jackson]

Truth was invented by Zoroastrianism to promote sedentary patriarchy. The unmanifest Dao precedes God.

 

[Xenophon]

Truth was invented by Zoroastrianism to promote sedentary patriarchy. The unmanifest Dao precedes God.

Try telling that limping sophomoric sophistry about truth to your boss when funds are embezzled. To your landlord who insists that no, toots, you haven't paid the rent. I think that pre-Zoroastrian Persians had a pretty clear idea of what a con man was and how to spot one. Which is all that OP is asking.

 

[Jackson]

I think that pre-Zoroastrian Persians had a pretty clear idea of what a con man was and how to spot one. Which is all that OP is asking.

The extraordinary way is not the common way. Articulate names are not common names. The un-named is earth and heaven's beginning; possessing-a-name is the innumerable thing's origin. Be without desire, in-order to to examine the subtle. Have a constant aim to examine the boundary. These preceding two are the really the same, go out and so obtain different names. Together they are called mysterious.

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Tao is the beginning of the myriad things, the standard of right and wrong. That being so, the intelligent ruler, by holding to the beginning, knows the source of everything, and, by keeping to the standard, knows the origin of good and evil. Therefore, by virtue of resting empty and reposed, he waits for the course of nature to enforce itself so that all names will be defined of themselves and all affairs will be settled of themselves. Empty, he knows the essence of fullness: reposed, he becomes 3 the corrector of motion. Who utters a word creates himself a name; who has an affair creates himself a form. Compare forms and names and see if they are identical. Then the ruler will find nothing to worry about as everything is reduced to its reality.

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Han Fei comments: words and deeds should take function and utility as mark and target. To be sure, if someone sharpens an arrow and shoots it at random, then though its pointed head may by chance hit the tip of an autumn spikelet, he cannot be called a skilful archer. For he has no constant aim and mark. If the target were five inches in diameter and the arrow were shot from a distance of one hundred steps, 5 then nobody other than Hou Yi and P`ang Mêng could with certainty hit the mark every time. For there would then be a constant aim and mark.

Therefore, in the presence of a constant aim and mark the straight hit by Hou Yi and P`ang Mêng at a target five inches in diameter is regarded as skilful; whereas in the absence of a constant aim and mark the wild hit at the tip of an autumn spikelet is regarded as awkward. Now, when adopting words and observing deeds, if someone does not take function and utility for mark and target, he will be doing the same as wild shooting, however profound the words may be and however thorough the deeds may be.

 

[Xenophon]

The extraordinary way is not the common way. Articulate names are not common names. The un-named is earth and heaven's beginning; possessing-a-name is the innumerable thing's origin. Be without desire, in-order to to examine the subtle. Have a constant aim to examine the boundary. These preceding two are the really the same, go out and so obtain different names. Together they are called mysterious.

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Tao is the beginning of the myriad things, the standard of right and wrong. That being so, the intelligent ruler, by holding to the beginning, knows the source of everything, and, by keeping to the standard, knows the origin of good and evil. Therefore, by virtue of resting empty and reposed, he waits for the course of nature to enforce itself so that all names will be defined of themselves and all affairs will be settled of themselves. Empty, he knows the essence of fullness: reposed, he becomes 3 the corrector of motion. Who utters a word creates himself a name; who has an affair creates himself a form. Compare forms and names and see if they are identical. Then the ruler will find nothing to worry about as everything is reduced to its reality.

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Han Fei comments: words and deeds should take function and utility as mark and target. To be sure, if someone sharpens an arrow and shoots it at random, then though its pointed head may by chance hit the tip of an autumn spikelet, he cannot be called a skilful archer. For he has no constant aim and mark. If the target were five inches in diameter and the arrow were shot from a distance of one hundred steps, 5 then nobody other than Hou Yi and P`ang Mêng could with certainty hit the mark every time. For there would then be a constant aim and mark.

Therefore, in the presence of a constant aim and mark the straight hit by Hou Yi and P`ang Mêng at a target five inches in diameter is regarded as skilful; whereas in the absence of a constant aim and mark the wild hit at the tip of an autumn spikelet is regarded as awkward. Now, when adopting words and observing deeds, if someone does not take function and utility for mark and target, he will be doing the same as wild shooting, however profound the words may be and however thorough the deeds may be.

More cut-and-paste kryptonite? OP asked for how to spot frauds. You're spewing reams and reams where a simple maxim or two is the medicine wanted.

 

[Jackson]

More cut-and-paste kryptonite? OP asked for how to spot frauds. You're spewing reams and reams where a simple maxim or two is the medicine wanted.

1. "Be without desire, in-order to to examine the subtle."

If you examine things with preconceptions, you probably will not grasp their subtleties.

2. "Have a constant aim to examine the limits."

A practical Way, or trace of an object, is articulated with an aim in mind.

 

[Robert Ramsay]

If they fear you looking behind the curtain, they're probably not an actual wizard

That is great and I shall steal it

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There is also a hippy-dippy writing style associated with the occult that sets my teeth on edge. By the time I have waded through the verbiage to figure out if there is any substance to what they are saying, I'm exhausted.