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TAROT AND TREE OF LIFE

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Hello! New member here.

I am wondering what every one’s thoughts are as the Tarot connection? Specifically, ascending through the minors.

I view traversing the 4 worlds/4 suits (after the majors) as 4 layers on top of each other. Each suit, (starting with pentacles, then swords, cups, wands) as having (in my mind) a slight shadow so to speak that becomes veiled by the next suit.

Once the King of Wands has been traversed, the Fool starts the ascent/journey at Kether once again, into perpetuity.

What I’m stating may be the obvious, but I am fairly new to the specifics of this, so any all help would be greatly appreciated!
 

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Hello! New member here.

I am wondering what every one’s thoughts are as the Tarot connection? Specifically, ascending through the minors.

I view traversing the 4 worlds/4 suits (after the majors) as 4 layers on top of each other. Each suit, (starting with pentacles, then swords, cups, wands) as having (in my mind) a slight shadow so to speak that becomes veiled by the next suit.

Once the King of Wands has been traversed, the Fool starts the ascent/journey at Kether once again, into perpetuity.

What I’m stating may be the obvious, but I am fairly new to the specifics of this, so any all help would be greatly appreciated!

Hello! :)

I'm not sure that the 4 suits are a good match for understanding the 4 worlds model in Kabalah, but, instead of discussing it here, it would be better to start new thread for that topic.

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Hello! New member here.

I am wondering what every one’s thoughts are as the Tarot connection to the Tarot. Specifically, ascending through the minors in each of the four worlds.

I view traversing the 4 worlds/4 suits (after descending the tree through majors) as each world being an individual layer on top of the next world. Each suit, (starting with pentacles, then swords, cups, wands) as having (in my mind) a slight shadow so to speak that becomes veiled by the next suit/world.

Once the King of Wands (last minor suit
traversed), the Fool starts the ascent/journey at Kether once again, into perpetuity.

What I’m stating may be the obvious, but I am fairly new to the specifics of this, so any all help would be greatly appreciated!
 

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The four worlds in Kabalah are a model for describing 4 stages of development of creation, as it is emerging, here-and-now, from the absolutely literally infinite source. A few notes:

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1) It is described as "the" source, singular, because, if it is absolutely literally infinite, there can be only one and no others. Lacking this, the entire construct collapses.​
2) A beginner needs to know, these 4 stages or "worlds" ( I prefer to call them realms ) are not literal places. They are not physical. Not material. They are not limited by time-and-space. They are concurrent and omnipresent. They have no beginnings; they have no endings. That's what makes them "magical" for lack of a better word. This presents a significant challenge when describing them, because each and every word that can be chosen to describe them will be describing a "thing" which is fixed in time-and-space. But these are not "things" which are fixed in time-and-space. Any manner of categorizing them, placing them in order, or including them in a sequence will always and forever be at best a gross approximation of what is actually being described.​
So, please try to keep in mind, if there is a process being described, "a process of creation, reality emerging, something from nothing", it cannot possibly be occurring in a manner which is consistent with a sequence of events. All of it is happening simultaneously. Here-and-now.​
There aren't literally 4 worlds. There's nearly infinite worlds. One way for understanding the emerging of reality is to break it out into 4 stages. It's a model, a very useful mental construct. Nothing more, and nothing less.​

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The 4 worlds in the Kabalistic framework are: Atzilus אֲצִילוּת, B'riyah בְּרִיאָה, Yetzirah יְצִירָה, Assiyah עֲשִׂיָּה. ( This is the sephardic transliteration ). These 4 worlds / realms, are 4 sections of a nearly infinite nested chain. One side of this chain is with/in the infinite source. The other side of the chain is reality as we know it with all of its particular details, plentiful diversity, this and that, big and little, before and after, life and death, joy and misery, and everything in between. There's a wikipedia entry on it. It's OK, but I think it over complicates the concept. Because these are immaterial concepts, concurrent and omnipresent, it's easiest to understand them as they exist in the human heart-and-mind. Doing so, this is how I describe the four worlds. Once that's understood, it's easier to go back to the more traditionally definitions and descriptions understanding them as intended.

Atzilus means "emanating". In the creative process, this is the "eureka!", "ah-hah!", moment when the mind-and-heart collectively, simultaneously, realize that it's having an idea. It's the "gasp!" before the idea has landed in the psyche. It's described as "the heart skipping a beat". That's the realm of Atzlius.

B'riyah means "creating". Here the mind is having the idea lacking any form. It's like a cloud, or an endless sea, or a lexicon of concepts in a pool which is conglomerating. It's like the water above the water wheel, before there's a water wheel. It's pressure. Inertia. A swelling of will.

Yetzirah means "forming". The unformed conglomeration of ideas is taking shape, gathering, like a garment which is being tailored and stitched and woven up by many little fingers, quick like lightning.

Assiyah means "making" / "doing". The creation is completed and is serving it's function. The vessel is fully formed and is being filled. Vase, with flowers. A wheel on a cart, turning. The cork on a bottle, sealing. Etc. But not only purely material "things". Any and all objects, events, and ideas are emanating and manifesting, simultaneously, in this way, in Kabalah.

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The analogy that's often used, an example, is building a house. The important relationship, to focus on, are the "bookends", the extremes, Atzilus <<>> Assiyah. If one pays close attention to their own cognition while they, themself are having an idea, they'll notice these two are occurring simultaneously in their own psyche. Using the example of one who is building a house, imagine an individual wandering through the woods. The come to a clearing, and they have an idea to build a house there. When they first encounter the clearing, and the idea is emerging, the house, in general, and all of it's particular details, are simultaneously there-and-not-there, something-from-nothing, in the heart-and-mind. The one who is wandering through the woods, encounters the clearing, and has an idea, "something belongs here", and simultaneously, the idea of the house flashes into their awareness, they are having an epiphany. " ... a house would be perfect, right here, right now. " The idea from the divine mind is simultaneously emerging and manifesting so completely, that each is being enveloped and veiled with/in each other, something from nothing from something from nothing from something ad infinitum.
 
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Hello! New member here.

I am wondering what every one’s thoughts are as the Tarot connection to the Tarot. Specifically, ascending through the minors in each of the four worlds.

I view traversing the 4 worlds/4 suits (after descending the tree through majors) as each world being an individual layer on top of the next world. Each suit, (starting with pentacles, then swords, cups, wands) as having (in my mind) a slight shadow so to speak that becomes veiled by the next suit/world.

Once the King of Wands (last minor suit
traversed), the Fool starts the ascent/journey at Kether once again, into perpetuity.

What I’m stating may be the obvious, but I am fairly new to the specifics of this, so any all help would be greatly appreciated!

" ... starting with pentacles, then swords, cups, wands ... "

I'm curious about the sequence. If you don't mind the question, why those suits in that specific order?
 

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Thanks for the replay!

I have read a few books that have mentioned this sequence, but, it has been reversed in others. Just seems to me that one would pathwork through earth/pentacles and transcend upwards, not go through wands/fire first. Though I do get the ‘fire’ construct as being a catalyst. I feel that the ‘fall’ of the Fool, would land him in earth after the trials of the majors.

Your thoughts are welcomed, as I stated, I am new to the Kabbalistic connection, so I would love as much info as possible!



Thanks!
 

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Tree of life or moving through the placenta is a work that few understand your setting up your next life when working on tree in this life.
 

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Your thoughts are welcomed, as I stated, I am new to the Kabbalistic connection, so I would love as much info as possible!

I don't work with Tarot, so, I'm not able to comment on it in depth. However, if one intends to ascend from an earthy realm to a firey realm that sounds like elemental sorcery.

Instead of looking at the 4 worlds in Kabalah, I think, and maybe others will confirm or correct me, that there is s closer connection to Kabalah when pathworking within the framework of the 10 sefirot as primordial archetypes which have correspondence to the Tarot deck. The purpose here, if I understand, is to seek each of the energetic principles being evoked from the art on the card as they exist within the the psyche ( the heart-and-mind ) of the aspirant and others. From this, an individual can gain mastery over their own will, which is a necessary component to successfully engaging in ritual.
 

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Yes, agreed. There are 22 paths (related to the 22 major arcana cards and the 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet that are used for pathwork. I am attempting to create a solid method for the minor arcana (56 cards) myself. That’s where the visualization comes in (4 worlds layered vs the suggestion of one above another). I know this idea probably sounds convoluted, but, just something I am researching and attempting to work on.
Thanks so much for your input!
 

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4 worlds layered vs the suggestion of one above another

Yes. I agree. Layered is a better approximation.

I know this idea probably sounds convoluted, but, just something I am researching and attempting to work on.

I don't think it's convoluted. I think you're on the right track. You're heading in the right direction.
 
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