Book Discussion The Black Book of Bel-El-Hul - Baron and Baronessa Araignee

[MehenVox]

Good evening everyone,
Has anyone had experience with this book? I’m considering purchasing it, but would appreciate any feedback before making a decision.

Thank you in advance!

 

[witch1337]

Honestly, don't buy, they claim a lot but everything about Belial they said is not something which they only know, On the one hand, they claim they don't believe in the old Grimoire but in their book, they claim do trust blindly and if you do not you are a dabbler and face worse. Yes, the book has many unique seals which are automatic writing but there is no way mentioned to use them and you have to work on your own, also they refer to other books for reference to link with another chapter so most of it is like purchase is this and that so you can develop a relationship and so and so and honestly there is nothing new you will found in their books most of the content is already known just they rephase the old stuff and the price is steep and also the book is not to big but the practising book will take time and it's up to the person to person and there are few things which I can disclose but those things are not possible to perform and without doing that it's not possible to proceed other chapters.

To prove my point let's just check their reviews all you see are reviews like people purchased and read not practiced as the ritual can't be done without some particular thing which is not possible and most of the reviews are only done to get the discount code and I have talked multiple users and some of them told me that they delete criticism comment if someone spoke the issues with their book they will delete the comment and blame the users kind of egoistic and self-centred. Luckily, I have friends who have purchased from them, I have read the content as well as got reviews which are either ok ok or like the service, they provide is steep and a waste of money + they are rude to the customers.

Conclusion: don't waste your money on fools who claim they are the only one who knows stuff, most of the things they have written are just words and woo woo stuff and basic which isn't worth the cost they charge, I am not saying content is wrong but not everything they say is correct if they claim others people's work as foolish and when you look all they have is referring to other Grimoires then claiming they are only speaking the truth and if you doubt you are dabblers

 

[coffee221]

Honestly, don't buy, they claim a lot but everything about Belial they said is not something which they only know, On the one hand, they claim they don't believe in the old Grimoire but in their book, they claim do trust blindly and if you do not you are a dabbler and face worse. Yes, the book has many unique seals which are automatic writing but there is no way mentioned to use them and you have to work on your own, also they refer to other books for reference to link with another chapter so most of it is like purchase is this and that so you can develop a relationship and so and so and honestly there is nothing new you will found in their books most of the content is already known just they rephase the old stuff and the price is steep and also the book is not to big but the practising book will take time and it's up to the person to person and there are few things which I can disclose but those things are not possible to perform and without doing that it's not possible to proceed other chapters.

To prove my point let's just check their reviews all you see are reviews like people purchased and read not practiced as the ritual can't be done without some particular thing which is not possible and most of the reviews are only done to get the discount code and I have talked multiple users and some of them told me that they delete criticism comment if someone spoke the issues with their book they will delete the comment and blame the users kind of egoistic and self-centred. Luckily, I have friends who have purchased from them, I have read the content as well as got reviews which are either ok ok or like the service, they provide is steep and a waste of money + they are rude to the customers.

Conclusion: don't waste your money on fools who claim they are the only one who knows stuff, most of the things they have written are just words and woo woo stuff and basic which isn't worth the cost they charge, I am not saying content is wrong but not everything they say is correct if they claim others people's work as foolish and when you look all they have is referring to other Grimoires then claiming they are only speaking the truth and if you doubt you are dabblers

Sadly you are right. They also have really obnoxious initiations and behave like you can only have a relationship with one demon. Their other books even contradict

 

[witch1337]

even if you read their other books then you will see their words not even align with their thoughts. One of my friends purchased something and while working he noticed a spirit which belonged to three other books, he politely commented and they deleted the comments only keeping good comments on the website. They believe they are the only ones who can encounter and work with spirit. According to them, they are the only brilliant minds, and the rest of the practitioners are just liar

 

[coffee221]

even if you read their other books then you will see their words not even align with their thoughts. One of my friends purchased something and while working he noticed a spirit which belonged to three other books, he politely commented and they deleted the comments only keeping good comments on the website. They believe they are the only ones who can encounter and work with spirit. According to them, they are the only brilliant minds, and the rest of the practitioners are just liar

If you'd like, would you be willing to message me to tell me more?

 

[witch1337]

If you'd like, would you be willing to message me to tell me more?

Sure

 

[erdra]

I have been working with them aswell for some time now, they are rude- and certainly dont give out information on a silver platter. Even if you purchase a working they will not tell you how they did it. Nevertheless the results speak for themselves, you dont need to like them but use the boks/Information for your own good. I have purchased the book and a currently waiting for drlivery, books can only take you that far.

 

[witch1337]

one of my friends doesn't get results from the service which they claim.

 

[MorganBlack]

Ugh, we all have to make this stuff our own, and a lot of this psycho-drama is mostly for the magician, and that goes for Solomonic mythic frameworks,. my own Luciferian Folk Catholic, or these Dark Fluff formulations can all probably work as frameworks for approaching the daimons and getting their attention.

Now, please pardon my moment of scorn:
But I will say anyone who still fashions themselves by adopting 20th century, Neo-Wiccan European aristocratic names - like Baron and Baroness - just screams narcissistic personality disorder to me. And hello, 1980 called, and Lady Hufflepuff Dark Muffin wants your number.

 

[IllusiveOwl]

Drama, edge, punk, death. There's atmosphere to their work, it's more genuine than some of the more delusional/intellectual LHP authors. People who experience & work under the gravity of these cosmic forces have a genuine current to how they write and the works published under these names has some life to it.

Their stuff is good for inspiration and they have some genuinely useful tools to add to your arsenal, if you know how to use it.

Plenty of great artists are rude, corrupt, and careful to keep their technique a secret, they're human like the rest of us, their mentally ill sense of grandeur is just an endearing quark to me. I mean, they're literally claiming to be Necromancers, it'd be more jarring to me if they were as bland and sociable as Gary from work.

I can see many people on this site, if they had actual ground-shaking power, would adopt a European title of royalty.

 

[witch1337]

I agree they have knowledge but who doesn't have. The main thing is not everything will work, and they claim like they are the only ones to be honest, I have seen whoever claims this. They are just guys who know a few things and want to claim they are the only ones around and call other dabblers. check their patron just a few members even on their website only a few comments and just look at the comments it's just they either like to read or they are happy they call the product delivered just because commenting will provide a discount code lol and the price is steep and once you read the books you realize that's not worth the cost

 

[IllusiveOwl]

I agree they have knowledge but who doesn't have.

??? Knowledge? Are you saying there is no reason to believe someone because everyone knows something? Are you challenging all masters and accademics in the cosmos who know more than you do? Or are you leveling all sentient beings on a flat equal playing ground because everyone knows something?

The main thing is not everything will work, and they claim like they are the only ones to be honest, I have seen whoever claims this.

You will never find any book anywhere that will 100% work, especially if you aren't adept enough to work with it properly, witch1337 perhaps your experience is unique to you.

They are just guys who know a few things and want to claim they are the only ones around and call other dabblers.

There are other people out there who are dabblers, I'm sure plenty of people that come across their works & Patreon are both big and small cognitively speaking. Just because a person buys their books and subscribes to their patreon doesn't mean they're entitled to an ass-kissing. They frame their work as non-fiction, so logically anyone can discover what they are sharing... I mean, you're critiquing a book they made, and people who write books are just guys who know a few things, I'm struggling to see any coherence in your position outside of a blind dislike you're using to paint several small neutral grievances black to the point of condemnation. Your position doesn't feel very objective.

check their patron just a few members even on their website only a few comments and just look at the comments it's just they either like to read or they are happy they call the product delivered just because commenting will provide a discount code lol and the price is steep and once you read the books you realize that's not worth the cost

Most of this I just -- can't understand. I get the feeling that they've personally insulted you, and I can't fault them for that.

I will just say that a small person can be handed a scroll with all the secrets to power on it, but call it dogshit because he can't comprehend it and just see it as nonsense.

 

[witch1337]

??? Knowledge? Are you saying there is no reason to believe someone because everyone knows something? Are you challenging all masters and accademics in the cosmos who know more than you do? Or are you leveling all sentient beings on a flat equal playing ground because everyone knows something?

You will never find any book anywhere that will 100% work, especially if you aren't adept enough to work with it properly, witch1337 perhaps your experience is unique to you.

There are other people out there who are dabblers, I'm sure plenty of people that come across their works & Patreon are both big and small cognitively speaking. Just because a person buys their books and subscribes to their patreon doesn't mean they're entitled to an ass-kissing. They frame their work as non-fiction, so logically anyone can discover what they are sharing... I mean, you're critiquing a book they made, and people who write books are just guys who know a few things, I'm struggling to see any coherence in your position outside of a blind dislike you're using to paint several small neutral grievances black to the point of condemnation. Your position doesn't feel very objective.

Most of this I just -- can't understand. I get the feeling that they've personally insulted you, and I can't fault them for that.

I will just say that a small person can be handed a scroll with all the secrets to power on it, but call it dogshit because he can't comprehend it and just see it as nonsense.

Ah, man, you are understanding differently. I mean there are lots of people who know lots of stuff you might have different knowledge and vice versa. My point is that spending money there is not worth a choice based on my above points but if you are a fan of them like you defending and you have money to waste go a had it's your choice I am just giving a complete review which I got from multiple people and some of them are my friends. No one speaks against self-claimed necromancers, but I believe in honesty and this post is regarding review so by doing this I may at least help people not waste their money for some old grimoire translation and content which says other's content is crap and if you don't believe our content then you are dabbler.

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I do not dislike anyone here, I am just saying this because I know if you bought any service and behaved rude to you. No one wants to learn that way so it's better to keep this in mind rather than seeing what they claim for.

 

[IllusiveOwl]

Ah, man, you are understanding differently. I mean there are lots of people who know lots of stuff you might have different knowledge and vice versa. My point is that spending money there is not worth a choice based on my above points but if you are a fan of them like you defending and you have money to waste go a had it's your choice I am just giving a complete review which I got from multiple people and some of them are my friends. No one speaks against self-claimed necromancers, but I believe in honesty and this post is regarding review so by doing this I may at least help people not waste their money for some old grimoire translation and content which says other's content is crap and if you don't believe our content then you are dabbler.

The main reason I frequent this forum is to get books for free. With enough persistence you never have to pay for any book.

I disrespect options on art based on the idiosyncrasies and social shortcomings of the artists.

 

[MorganBlack]

I certainly don't want to pick on them or anyone else too much, and kudos to them for putting together their own system. I see a lot of sources I recognize, from Golden Dawn with a certain amount of inspiration from Vodou's Bawon.

If they get people moving and evoking, rock on!

We all have our guilty pleasure. Not to hijack, but for me it was the total 1990's edge-lord excellent trash - S. Jason Black and & Christopher S. Hyatt's 'Pact with the Devil' which sparked my early experimentation in spirit evocation and to step out of my own GD / OTO background into Goetia and Vodou.

Intellectually the book is pretty terrible, (maybe it's in the so-bad-it's-great genre) but Jason Black's (David P. Wilson's ) personal report of results of his evocations are what this stuff looks like often when it get dramatic (which is not all the time). No grand titles required. I found it a real a kick in the seat of the pants to get out get out of the armchair, leave the 20th century occult bubble universe, and take some , at that time, pretty unique chances.

Book – PDF - Pacts With the Devil: A Chronicle of Sex, Blasphemy and Liberation - S. Jason Black & Christopher S. Hyatt

For the first time, a genuine manual of the dreaded "left-hand path." Braving the new Witchcraft Panic that has swept the world, S. Jason Black and Christopher S. Hyatt have written a book that places the Western magical tradition--and the Western psyche--in perspective. Sweeping aside both the...

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