United Healthcare Assassination Megathread

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I feel bad for his family and friends, that sucks. It kinda reminds me of a while back hospital said i owed them a quarter mil. $250k.
Not the hospital or the docs fault, not the insurance companies fault (I didn’t have insurance or Medicaid) but I can only imagine people who pay out the ass for insurance just for them to pay the required amount (i think my premium used to be 6k?) before hospitals bill insurance and they cover the cost but they can deny treatments if it’s not life threatening which is kinda messed up when it screws with quality of life. Then again. Nothings free. perhaps we had it right with a bartering system, trading skills and labor to help each other rather than skills and labor for money. Doctor needs his house fixed and you need your shoulder fixed… seems like that makes more sense than applying a regulated amount due to ”skill” and “labor” it takes more skill to be a surgeon hands down, but it’s a lot harder labor fixing a roof in the middle of the summer. More dangerous as well. Wear anything but hard sole shoes and they will melt and stick to the roof and you will fall.
but the mf’rs (money funders) are going to do what they do and try to scam and take their cut.

ya’lls thoughts?

 

[SkullTraill]

I think the medical and insurance industries in the US especially are completely out of control and need to be curbed immediately.

People often say "violence is not the answer" or "you shouldn't stoop to breaking the law to enact change" and shit like that. But that's all nonsense to me. What do you do when the law limits every avenue you have to enact change? When bureaucracy, red tape, wilful non-compliance/stonewalling leaves you with your dick in your hand and no solution in sight?

In those cases you have to resort to violence and breaking the law to be able to get what needs to be done, done. I'm not calling for or suggesting any violence by the way, this is purely a philosophical argument. However, it is the reason I am not disgusted or devastated by these recent events.

It's not a fair trade of money for skills when the prices are insanely inflated several times more than the doctor's fees and whatever use of hospital equipment and supplies would warrant just so the corp that runs the hospital and insurance companies can pad their balance sheets and make insane profits.

And even if it was, there are some "skills" or professions that should be handled differently. You don't expect to have to pay your priest for every mass/confession. I think healthcare should be sacred and funded by the government in most cases, Just like infrastructure and military, healthcare is or should be a key value service provided by the govt for the benefit of it's citizens.

 

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When bureaucracy, red tape, wilful non-compliance/stonewalling leaves you with your dick in your hand and no solution in sight?

Bureaucracy is how freedom dies.
I agree something needs to be done about it. I can’t readily say violence is the answer but I also cannot be honest if I were to not say that sometimes, it does indeed send the message needed.

 

[Djnenas]

I think the medical and insurance industries in the US especially are completely out of control and need to be curbed immediately.

People often say "violence is not the answer" or "you shouldn't stoop to breaking the law to enact change" and shit like that. But that's all nonsense to me. What do you do when the law limits every avenue you have to enact change? When bureaucracy, red tape, wilful non-compliance/stonewalling leaves you with your dick in your hand and no solution in sight?

In those cases you have to resort to violence and breaking the law to be able to get what needs to be done, done. I'm not calling for or suggesting any violence by the way, this is purely a philosophical argument. However, it is the reason I am not disgusted or devastated by these recent events.

It's not a fair trade of money for skills when the prices are insanely inflated several times more than the doctor's fees and whatever use of hospital equipment and supplies would warrant just so the corp that runs the hospital and insurance companies can pad their balance sheets and make insane profits.

And even if it was, there are some "skills" or professions that should be handled differently. You don't expect to have to pay your priest for every mass/confession. I think healthcare should be sacred and funded by the government in most cases, Just like infrastructure and military, healthcare is or should be a key value service provided by the govt for the benefit of it's citizens.

Absolutely... I am disgusted by the healthcare system bullcrap, specially the double standard when it comes to actual "care"... they don't want people to go to the streets to buy the meds they need to survive PERIOD.... but yet when you go to the doctors they are too afraid to prescribe anything they don't agree with!!! I don't vouch for violence but unfortunately HISTORY has shown that the only way big problems have gotten solutions has been after extreme violence and bloodshed... basically when the people get fed up with being jerked around for way too long for nothing... it's sad, but its the sad truth.

 

[IllusiveOwl]

This reminds me of a quote from Mbembe's Necropolitics: "The law cannot be protected by the law -- only nonlaw can protect it."

Systems are not inherently good or evil, it is the men who run the systems that are. Everyone knows that man is predatory and, left unchecked, man will prey on man with the surgical cruelty of a cold heart, with the vampiric gusto of a parasite who sucks just enough to keep their victim alive. Much like how ecosystems need balance, government and societal class structures need balance: too many predators in the upper caste and the lower castes will be fed on too much. That is what has happened here, I think, healthcare became too predatory and someone stepped up on a primal level to try and restore balance. I fear I can't share any more of my following opinions on a public forum without being put on some kind of three-letter-agency's list.

Personally I found the song too whiney and emotionally draining. I prefer simpler vibes, like the sick beats of good old Mal R:

 

[Taudefindi]

Nothings free. perhaps we had it right with a bartering system, trading skills and labor to help each other rather than skills and labor for money.

I still find it strange how we put more value in pieces of paper and metal than on things of actual value like resources(food, land, skills, etc).
I get it that an economic system is necessary so people can have an understanding of value for things, but let's be honest, considering how things are going, resources become more and more expensive while the acquisition of said money gets harder and harder, so what is the point, you know?

People often say "violence is not the answer"

The interesting thing about this phrase is that while is it true for majority of things in life, there are certain things that can be changed only through violence.Because as much as it goes against society's teaching of "calm, composure and constraint", the pain and fear generated by violence can be a great deterrent or influencer(depending on what is it being used for).

No, we should never have to rely on it, but sometimes when the law isn't doing it's part in making sure we can live in an egalitarian society it really does feel like the single person has to deal with things the only way they can, and the only way a single person can affect others is through violence, unfortunately.

I think healthcare should be sacred and funded by the government in most cases

I thank that we have public healthcare in my country.It sucks(compared to private) and it is very overrun, but it's better than nothing.
You may die while awaiting to get a space in the hospital or be seen by the doctor, but at least you won't be in heavy debt for it.

It's not a fair trade of money for skills when the prices are insanely inflated several times more than the doctor's fees and whatever use of hospital equipment and supplies would warrant just so the corp that runs the hospital and insurance companies can pad their balance sheets and make insane profits.

This is what happens in a capitalistic society.Profit is everything, even when you shouldn't need that much profit to live, but such society still tells you to keep going and getting more and more because "it's never enough".

Bureaucracy is how freedom dies.

Not freedom, but justice.
Bureaucracy makes justice so weak and so slow that it can easily be tampered with by those with means to change the bureaucracy or those that make it happen.

 

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I still find it strange how we put more value in pieces of paper and metal than on things of actual value like resources(food, land, skills, etc).
I get it that an economic system is necessary so people can have an understanding of value for things, but let's be honest, considering how things are going, resources become more and more expensive while the acquisition of said money gets harder and harder, so what is the point, you know?

I was actually thinking of this today… the thinkers who don’t have any real useful skills… but their work helps with the benefit of society, excavations, theoretical Physics opposed to Newtonian that we use. it seems like a catch. The professions need to be respected and sought after but also there’s nothing to really barter with hmm… more to your point, yeah it is strange how those who can grow and farm food are seen as lesser than those with a masters degree even if their degree Is essentially useless in real world application. We thank soldiers but how often are farmers and builders paid respect ya know?

 

[Taudefindi]

We thank soldiers but how often are farmers and builders paid respect ya know?

If there is one thing I've learned, is that the big farmers aren't the ones putting food on your table, the big ones make food to export.
It's the medium and small-time farmers that actually make the food you end up buying and eating.

And they get the same amount of respect as teachers do, which is: not as much as they should.
But it's easy to forget about the farmers when you still have food to buy, once food starts to become scarce(or you don't have the convenience of simply going to the market for it) is when people remember of them.

 

[Asteriskos]

I completely Empathize and Sympathize with the dude's position, and the Frustration and Anger that resulted in his "Final Solution"!
Also, like those of you that realize that "Necessary Change for the Better Must Often Necessitate Drastic Means", I don't find it abhorrent either.
I'm curious if the Corporate Oligarchies which have now so "insidiously" brought the World to this point of contention were at all fazed by this "righteous" display at all? Was this "message" Indeed indicative of larger ramifications now forming? What part can a Large Community of Magical Practitioners Play in this particular part of the Game of Life? Damn, Look at the Size of the Egregore!

N.B.
I'm not clueless either about the Difficulties of forming even a "Small Conjuring Group", but it's Not Impossible either!
Historically there are examples of collaborations, notably during WWII.

 

[Accipeveldare]

I personally believe that any corruption should be terminated using any means possible. Was Luigi justified in killing the CEO of United Healthcare?

 

[Adelina]

There is more to it than just corruption. Farm business is the worst and most cruel global mafia. They went away with what they did in 2020-2021. There is no punishment which is too small for them. The motives of Luigi are unclear, but still he did justice which was deserved by that CEO.

I hope for big new Nuremberg Trial in future, where all that farm mafia will be executed completely according to the law.

 

[Asteriskos]

According to the current so-called cultural "Legal System", No! "Morally Justified", Yes!

 

[rice candy]

Both sides have blood on their hands. Just think of how many more people that CEO has (in)directly killed for denying life-saving health care to patients as a result of making record breaking profits.

 

[Yazata]

Maybe there are Covid hearings in the near future and "they" feared this guy would drop some truths

 

[voidcat]

I understand why they killed them. And I have no sympathy for the CEO. However I do think it was wrong to murder him. Two things can be true- murdering the guy was wrong and the CEO was responsible for an awful system that resulted in deaths.

 

[Asteriskos]

I'd like to hear some thoughts on what the overall impact has been upon the Corporate Oligarchies? What is running rampant in those Plush Board Rooms right about Now? What are THEY THINKING? WTF?

 

[Robert Ramsay]

"I never wanted to see anybody die, but there are a few obituary notices I have read with pleasure" - Clarence Darrow

 

[SkullTraill]

Merged these 2 threads and adjusted the title. We do not need multiple threads on this subject.

 

[Wintruz]

I'm entirely willing to let him serve out his in sentence in my home...

 

[Xingtian]

It’s been shown that peaceful protests and electoralism are no match for lobbying AKA bribery. And since big social movements have been thoroughly wrecked or defanged it feels like isolated individual acts are the only open avenue at the moment. This single direct act appears to have triggered some adjustments such as Anthem backing off from their anaesthesia cap. This will likely be temporary, once the ghouls get their bearings and feel safe again. Unfortunately a CEO is basically an obscenely paid functionary, removing one here and there does not actually threaten the system as a whole. So the best lone vigilantism can accomplish is “propaganda of the deed” where large numbers of people are spurred to organize and fight on a more long-term, large scale basis. So far people are talking, including people who don’t agree about much, and that’s encouraging. But if this doesn’t translate into organized action, even on a modest scale to start with, such as the creation/ expansion of mutual aid networks, militant unionizing, etc, if the conversation remains fixated on the spectacle of the lone assassin-hero, and people wait around for the next one, then I don’t think it will accomplish anything in the long run.