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Book Discussion Wegner, Daniel M - The Illusion of Conscious Will (2002)

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When you are hypnotized, you surrender your will on purpose to someone else. What was it that you surrendered? From the state of being able to move this body part, to not being able to move it. It is still connected to the same nerves. Yet, will is not there. And you cannot will it yourself when hypnotized. I believe greatness is hidden in this knowledge. For us to be able to do anything if we master it.
 

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When you are hypnotized, you surrender your will on purpose to someone else. What was it that you surrendered? From the state of being able to move this body part, to not being able to move it. It is still connected to the same nerves. Yet, will is not there. And you cannot will it yourself when hypnotized. I believe greatness is hidden in this knowledge. For us to be able to do anything if we master it.
Ja, I agree with you. Baal Kadmon already discusses the subject of will in his book about demons, where he says:
" In our day to day lives we operate with near-full autonomy of the will. I say, “near-full,” because we aren’t willing our hearts to pump or for our eyes to see, those are all happening behind the scenes. But you are taking this time to watch, hear or read this is as an act of will that you have chosen to exercise. And because this exercising of the will is something that dominates nearly our every action and speech, we tend to ignore the little moments when our free will bumps up against moments that are dreadfully deterministic. It is dreadful because there is no thought more imprisoning than the thought that any of our thoughts are predetermined or deterministic in nature. If you want to read a disturbing book on this, take a look at “The Illusion of Conscious Will.” Fuck, even the cover is ominous. I personally feel there is an interplay of free will and deterministic forces in our universe and we dance between the two as we go through life. A perfect example is astrology. It is funny just how uncanny some of these things are." (Baal Kadmon - The 72 demons of the name, The left-hand pillar of the Shemhamephorash, page 1544)
 

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Ja, I agree with you. Baal Kadmon already discusses the subject of will in his book about demons, where he says:
" In our day to day lives we operate with near-full autonomy of the will. I say, “near-full,” because we aren’t willing our hearts to pump or for our eyes to see, those are all happening behind the scenes. But you are taking this time to watch, hear or read this is as an act of will that you have chosen to exercise. And because this exercising of the will is something that dominates nearly our every action and speech, we tend to ignore the little moments when our free will bumps up against moments that are dreadfully deterministic. It is dreadful because there is no thought more imprisoning than the thought that any of our thoughts are predetermined or deterministic in nature. If you want to read a disturbing book on this, take a look at “The Illusion of Conscious Will.” Fuck, even the cover is ominous. I personally feel there is an interplay of free will and deterministic forces in our universe and we dance between the two as we go through life. A perfect example is astrology. It is funny just how uncanny some of these things are." (Baal Kadmon - The 72 demons of the name, The left-hand pillar of the Shemhamephorash, page 1544)
Yes. I have come to the same conclusion. And I acknowledge I do not have full control of my will. And at times, something else is conscious. Carl jung was also alot into this. He had a conversation with what he called the red one. Satan in himself. And I see it also in myself. And what is scary is that I have sometimes acted upon these impulses, because I think it is my will. (Not anything serious). But still, enough to cause damage. This is why we meditate. For it is hard to recognize, when these things affect us, we think it is us. And thereby allow them to gain control. As soon you think it is your thoughts, they become your thoughts. And it is important to not claim any of the negative thoughts which comes from there.
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Also, the belief we have about the world alters our will. And our senses are just creating illusions. I find this interesting
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Our beliefs of reality shapes our will. And our senses, like this beatle, do not see the objective reality.
We are like this beatle if we warch porn, consume alcohol, eat proccessed sugars. Our senses are literally tricking us. And they should not be fully trusted. Therefore belief in higher beings is actually more real objectively than not believing. If they guide you towards prosperity. In my understanding. I do magic to get more free will and see the world for what it is. So that I can prosper.
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People don’t see it. But that is because the problem itself is the veil before our very minds. Put there by the process of evolution.
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At the most extreme. We have lgbt people. Transgender people. Completely blind, only guided by pleasure seeking(aka evolution). No self control or free will of their own. As they think and use their bodies as someone with different bodies. Like wanting to cut off body parts etc. Also mind you, this is not to create hate. I just use them as an example. I don’t want to injure or harm those of weaker minds. But I point it out so that it can be discussed. Because we want as much free will and see the world as clear as humanly possible for our own sake.
 
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