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What are the planets?

LadyShrewsbury

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Coming from an astrology background, many I have asked this question of before have this in mind when they answer the question so I’d be interested to know what others from various occult traditions believe.

What, in your opinion, are the planets? Do they have a power of their own? Are they deities? Are they the messengers of deities? Are they part of our ecosystem, as the roots of adjacent trees speak to each other? Are they simply planets with no connection to our world beyond the physical?

I’d love to know your thoughts.
 

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With variations ... all of the above . I will leave aside the idea of 'physical connections' or not (as they may be undiscovered as yet or the definitions of 'physical' may expand . For now I will use the general term 'energy' / 'energy field' ). We know planets have an 'energy / field ' around them . Even if it is 'just' gravity .

Modern astrology is full of weird ideas it picked up along the way , but one long lasting dynamic that might be central to the whole thing and entirely relevant is the angular relationship between planets . So, just on an energetic level, with the planets themselves , a 'natal dynamic' is set for each specific moment .

They are postulated to have a 'power' that sets and aligns nodes of 'personality makeup' . Traditionally (in hermetics ) they were seen as zones or spheres or shells which the incarnating spirit passes through (in a geocentric model) , if we imagined the 'incarnating self ' coming into the solar system like a meteor ; first passing through the 'sphere' (influence ) of Saturn , then Jupiter and so on ( there are many more complex dynamics here , but I am sticking to your specific question ). Much like the TRee of Life is laid out in a 2 D diagram and we imagine the path of the lightning flash . It's probably more like a sphere with everything happening at the same time inside it , but again, it's the angular relationship between these (origin points of field energy) that create a particular 'gem' ( personality ) .

Now, if you can do the mental image juggling and convert this to a heliocentric model ; the energy field is primarily solar , with the planets 'swirling around' in that and making 'interactions' ( like rocks in a creek making eddies and whirlpools in the flowing water )

No, I cant even postulate what that specific energy is exactly , and how and what it affects whatever is 'coming in ' However , one can (as in many things in science , especially modern science ! ) make a map, use it and use the information and energies to our advantage without really understanding the basics .

Regarding the other part of your question ; are they this, that or the other thing ; yes . I like the approach of the Egyptians regarding 'neteru' ; eg . any thing, say a planet , eg Mars is not just Mars but a part of the manifested 'Mars field ' ; it manifests in the planet , a person, a specific God, a metal, stone , an area of Egypt (or other places ) , a color ... this is the source of magical sympathies and correspondences - everything exists in a specific 'field ' of energy .

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Coming from an astrology background, many I have asked this question of before have this in mind when they answer the question so I’d be interested to know what others from various occult traditions believe.

What, in your opinion, are the planets? Do they have a power of their own? Are they deities? Are they the messengers of deities? Are they part of our ecosystem, as the roots of adjacent trees speak to each other? Are they simply planets with no connection to our world beyond the physical?

I’d love to know your thoughts.
From my perspective, the planets are several things at once, depending on the level from which we approach them.

On the physical level, they are celestial bodies with measurable properties, movements and influences. However, in many occult traditions, the visible planet is not considered identical to the spiritual power associated with it. Rather, the physical planet is the material expression, vessel or visible sign of a much broader intelligence.

I do not personally understand the planets as “gods” in the simplest sense, nor as lifeless rocks that occultists arbitrarily projected meanings onto. I see them as great cosmic principles that participate in the structure of reality. Mars, for example, is not merely the red object in the sky, but a pattern of separation, conflict, courage, heat, force and decisive action that can be observed in nature, in the human psyche and in social events. The celestial Mars is one manifestation of that principle, but the principle itself is greater than the physical planet.

In the tradition I work with, it is also important to distinguish between different levels of planetary power. The planet, the divine name associated with its sphere, the angelic ruler, the intelligence and the spirit are not necessarily interchangeable beings. They are different expressions or mediators of the same planetary current, operating at different levels of reality.

Therefore, I would say that planets possess power, but not necessarily in the sense of a human-like personality consciously deciding to reward or punish people. Their power is structural. They establish rhythms, qualities and conditions through which life unfolds. Their movements may correspond to changes in the way these patterns become active or visible in our world.

The analogy of an ecosystem is useful. Just as organisms participate in networks far larger than themselves, the Earth does not exist in isolation. We are part of a solar and cosmic environment. Even if someone rejects every metaphysical explanation, the Sun and Moon already demonstrate that celestial bodies profoundly influence life on Earth. Occult traditions extend this idea beyond physical causation and suggest that the cosmos is also connected through symbolic, spiritual and qualitative relationships.

So, for me, the planets are physical worlds, cosmic symbols and living spiritual principles simultaneously. They are not merely distant objects, but neither should their spiritual meaning be reduced to the personalities assigned to them in mythology. The myths, gods, angels and planetary spirits are different cultural and metaphysical ways of approaching forces that are ultimately larger than any single image or name.
 

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Coming from an astrology background, many I have asked this question of before have this in mind when they answer the question so I’d be interested to know what others from various occult traditions believe.

What, in your opinion, are the planets? Do they have a power of their own? Are they deities? Are they the messengers of deities? Are they part of our ecosystem, as the roots of adjacent trees speak to each other? Are they simply planets with no connection to our world beyond the physical?

I’d love to know your thoughts.
I understand the planets as the chakras of the macrocosm. Each planet is a physical manifestation of a certain Sephira force (Kabbalah).
 

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Modern astrology is full of weird ideas it picked up along the way , but one long lasting dynamic that might be central to the whole thing and entirely relevant is the angular relationship between planets . So, just on an energetic level, with the planets themselves , a 'natal dynamic' is set for each specific moment .

They are postulated to have a 'power' that sets and aligns nodes of 'personality makeup' . Traditionally (in hermetics ) they were seen as zones or spheres or shells which the incarnating spirit passes through (in a geocentric model) , if we imagined the 'incarnating self ' coming into the solar system like a meteor ; first passing through the 'sphere' (influence ) of Saturn , then Jupiter and so on ( there are many more complex dynamics here , but I am sticking to your specific question ). Much like the TRee of Life is laid out in a 2 D diagram and we imagine the path of the lightning flash . It's probably more like a sphere with everything happening at the same time inside it , but again, it's the angular relationship between these (origin points of field energy) that create a particular 'gem' ( personality ) .

Now, if you can do the mental image juggling and convert this to a heliocentric model ; the energy field is primarily solar , with the planets 'swirling around' in that and making 'interactions' ( like rocks in a creek making eddies and whirlpools in the flowing water )

No, I cant even postulate what that specific energy is exactly , and how and what it affects whatever is 'coming in ' However , one can (as in many things in science , especially modern science ! ) make a map, use it and use the information and energies to our advantage without really understanding the basics .

Regarding the other part of your question ; are they this, that or the other thing ; yes . I like the approach of the Egyptians regarding 'neteru' ; eg . any thing, say a planet , eg Mars is not just Mars but a part of the manifested 'Mars field ' ; it manifests in the planet , a person, a specific God, a metal, stone , an area of Egypt (or other places ) , a color ... this is the source of magical sympathies and correspondences - everything exists in a specific 'field ' of energy .
I strongly agree and have come to many of the same conclusions as you have here.

A few points that stand out: firstly, the angular planets and the aspects they make to each other. I sometimes wonder (even as an astrologer!) if the signs are of any use at all. Are we simply "reading" the potent base energies of the planets that are so obviously strong for whatever reason and how they interact with each other and the world?

One of the only fairly detailed studies into astrology and its powers from a "scientific" perspective seemed to conclude that there was a clear connection between athletes and being born with a rising or culminating Mars, to give one example, but there seemed to be no sign correlation as far as I recall. More recently, I have been looking at footballers and the greatest seem to have Mars in traditionally weak places but the key is that Mars is prominent in the chart.

Another piece that is essential to my understanding is the correspondences as you mention at the end there. The Moon is glass and white and Diana, etc. Every piece of our universe and therefore its magical properties seem to go back to these planetary energies and the strongest magic I have come across is planetary magic. On that note however, decanic magic (splitting the zodiac into 3 sections each) DOES seem to work very strongly, so perhaps everything I've said about the signs is a loud of rubbish!
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From my perspective, the planets are several things at once, depending on the level from which we approach them.

On the physical level, they are celestial bodies with measurable properties, movements and influences. However, in many occult traditions, the visible planet is not considered identical to the spiritual power associated with it. Rather, the physical planet is the material expression, vessel or visible sign of a much broader intelligence.

I do not personally understand the planets as “gods” in the simplest sense, nor as lifeless rocks that occultists arbitrarily projected meanings onto. I see them as great cosmic principles that participate in the structure of reality. Mars, for example, is not merely the red object in the sky, but a pattern of separation, conflict, courage, heat, force and decisive action that can be observed in nature, in the human psyche and in social events. The celestial Mars is one manifestation of that principle, but the principle itself is greater than the physical planet.

In the tradition I work with, it is also important to distinguish between different levels of planetary power. The planet, the divine name associated with its sphere, the angelic ruler, the intelligence and the spirit are not necessarily interchangeable beings. They are different expressions or mediators of the same planetary current, operating at different levels of reality.

Therefore, I would say that planets possess power, but not necessarily in the sense of a human-like personality consciously deciding to reward or punish people. Their power is structural. They establish rhythms, qualities and conditions through which life unfolds. Their movements may correspond to changes in the way these patterns become active or visible in our world.

The analogy of an ecosystem is useful. Just as organisms participate in networks far larger than themselves, the Earth does not exist in isolation. We are part of a solar and cosmic environment. Even if someone rejects every metaphysical explanation, the Sun and Moon already demonstrate that celestial bodies profoundly influence life on Earth. Occult traditions extend this idea beyond physical causation and suggest that the cosmos is also connected through symbolic, spiritual and qualitative relationships.

So, for me, the planets are physical worlds, cosmic symbols and living spiritual principles simultaneously. They are not merely distant objects, but neither should their spiritual meaning be reduced to the personalities assigned to them in mythology. The myths, gods, angels and planetary spirits are different cultural and metaphysical ways of approaching forces that are ultimately larger than any single image or name.
Yes, I do resonate strongly with the understanding of the planets as part of the universal ecosystem or perhaps even as an enormous computer. I also remember thinking when I was pregnant with my youngest that all the parts of me were unconsciously making her within my womb without my intellect knowing how that was happening and I did think at the time that perhaps this is how the universe works to some extent too. It just happens. I think about this when I consider people who can't comprehend why any astrological technique would work, but it makes sense to me that a small cell in the finger of the body corresponds to the brain. It's all of the same thing whilst being separate.

I'd be interested to know more about your tradition in that it understands different levels of planetary power as this is something I've long been interested in but understand very little of.
 
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