What do you think about NAA218?

[Adamon]

I remember when I read Liber Azerate, I noticed that it is nothing but a big mix of different currents in the LHP, especially when it comes to the Temple of Set current. I mean, it’s not because I’m a fan, but what was the need to include them? When I read that part, it felt as though it wasn’t connecting with the previous sections.

Anyway, I know that Vlad, Frater Nemidial, NAA218, or Victor Draconi—whatever you want to call him—has matured in his writing. He has offered one of the most interesting ways to work with the Qliphoth. However, I’ve also heard that he plagiarized Andrew Chumbley in one of his books (though I don’t remember which one).

It is well known that he incites crimes as sacrifices, and you can corroborate that he’s serious about this through his interviews in Ixxaxar. Furthermore, what’s the need to mix so many currents? He doesn’t even mention where he has taken a lot of this information. He doesn’t quote the authors who brought this knowledge.

What do you think about it?

 

[8Lou1]

i dont know his reasons.
i for myself like talking to people with similar expertise and i like different points of view. especially when a lot of viewpoints come to the same conclusion and a new 'truth' gets created. to me its like talking to peers in science and doing research only this is in the occult sphere.

a lot of knowledge isnt written knowledge so that might be the reason of the few quotations.

my encounter with current 218 came into being at the same time with an attack on my marriage by harut and marut, it gave me many synchronicities in life and i learned a lot. i realy smiled when i read 218 had to split, while i refused to divorce. it might be that these strange occurrences in life make mixing currents so much fun.

 

[Adelina]

There was member on old version of this forum with nickname Anaconda (I am not sure about it, but I think it was him). He chose very appropriate words to describes such figures as NAA. I completely agree with what he wrote (also, saying just in case, I am white woman, but I know from my own experience of having my ancestors' tradition being perverted), I just couldn't express it in words like he did, so I saved that post. Here I reproduce his post (it is about so-called Falxifer stuff by NAA, but you can extrapolate what he wrote on all the books of NAA).

"Honestly!!
Colonizers keep colonizing.
Idk why, but white people LOVE to take the religious traditions of Latinxs, Africans, Natives etc. and make them into these dark perversions. Tomas Prower did this with his Llewelyn book about Santa Muerte, like actually talking about her "dark philosophy". What "Darkness"?
It's a really white concept to view and place death in this seat of evil/darkness.
She's not Hades or Ereshkigal, or Hekate or whatever. She's an archangel. Deal with it white pagans.
You're no better than the Christians who raped my ancestors and continue to try to fuck up our shit when you steal our traditions of survival and twist them into your dark fantasies. It's not ok, it's not fun! Y'all will forget about the dark son of Satan you projected onto San la Muerte in a few years, then you'll be off to a new saint or mestizo tradition.
But also, as much as this stuff pisses me off, I also realize that there plenty of real people out there who respect our traditions (both non-Latinx and Latinx). Santa Muerte is thriving and she will continue to be served correctly regardless of what gringos do. I hope the same for San La Muerte.
It is not by the pen of gringo that Santa Muerte came into being. It was through the salty tears of Mestizos, of Mujeres trans, trabajadoras del sexo, of everyone who is marginal and needs the comfort of Lady Death. We are close to her because of our shed tears and blood. And NO ONE can take that from us."

I will add from myself. If you will approach Santa Muerte (or by what other name those Entities of Death are known to people) by the use of anti-cosmic, qayinite and other teachings of those like NAA, it will surely backfire, it will ruin your life irrecoverably.

What concerns his Qliphoth stuff (which he elaborates about in "Book of Sitra Achra") - it is taken directly from Golden Dawn materials (which on their own are based on some dubious manuscript of Key of Solomon which supposedly was in collection of Eliphas Levi) + some attempt of iteration on Liber CCXXXI of Crowley. With some ideas from Andrew Chumbley (e. g. Egressive-Ingressive Pan-Qliphotic Hendecagram of Azerate). A lot of incenses being adviced for use in rituals are poisonous (on their own as well as simply because of being in mixture with ingredients that do not combine well with each other) and can severely damage the health of practitioner.

In his Liber Falxifer III he promotes outright murder and robbery as kind of spiritual progress on qayinite path. I am not even sure where to start on how wrong it is on so many fronts.

 

[Xenophon]

I remember when I read Liber Azerate, I noticed that it is nothing but a big mix of different currents in the LHP, especially when it comes to the Temple of Set current. I mean, it’s not because I’m a fan, but what was the need to include them? When I read that part, it felt as though it wasn’t connecting with the previous sections.

Anyway, I know that Vlad, Frater Nemidial, NAA218, or Victor Draconi—whatever you want to call him—has matured in his writing. He has offered one of the most interesting ways to work with the Qliphoth. However, I’ve also heard that he plagiarized Andrew Chumbley in one of his books (though I don’t remember which one).

It is well known that he incites crimes as sacrifices, and you can corroborate that he’s serious about this through his interviews in Ixxaxar. Furthermore, what’s the need to mix so many currents? He doesn’t even mention where he has taken a lot of this information. He doesn’t quote the authors who brought this knowledge.

What do you th

Are you troubled about the plagiarism, the eclecticism, or the antinomianism? As for the first, humans are more receiving apparatuses (apparata?) for ideas than they are authors. So don't sweat the dearth of footnotes. Quoth Seneca, I make your idea mine by living it well. Eclecticism I find messy. Sheer maladroit opportunism that I deeply berue for not having thought to do first. Crime? Whatever else you think, major felonies do take nerve. More than my poltroon person posesses. The capacity to carry these out with sufficient skill not to get caught represents a certain refinement of self control. Whether one can do this and avoid becoming slave to the thrill or to sadism is an entirely other question. Historically, it's hard to find many founder ancestors who were not rather bloody or at least brigands.

This apologia for the party or parties in question notwithstanding, I seem to recall a certain aesthetic distaste for the Falxifer stuff. Somehow the whole flavor did not strike me as the work of someone who had actually done what they wrote of. The late Col. Jeff Cooper once dismissed an alleged pistolero noting, "His greatest shots were all made with a typewriter."

 

[Azerate]

I remember when I read Liber Azerate, I noticed that it is nothing but a big mix of different currents in the LHP, especially when it comes to the Temple of Set current. I mean, it’s not because I’m a fan, but what was the need to include them? When I read that part, it felt as though it wasn’t connecting with the previous sections.

Anyway, I know that Vlad, Frater Nemidial, NAA218, or Victor Draconi—whatever you want to call him—has matured in his writing. He has offered one of the most interesting ways to work with the Qliphoth. However, I’ve also heard that he plagiarized Andrew Chumbley in one of his books (though I don’t remember which one).

It is well known that he incites crimes as sacrifices, and you can corroborate that he’s serious about this through his interviews in Ixxaxar. Furthermore, what’s the need to mix so many currents? He doesn’t even mention where he has taken a lot of this information. He doesn’t quote the authors who brought this knowledge.

What do you think about it?

2182 use various traditions but never mix them in a single ritual context.

 

[Adamon]

Are you troubled about the plagiarism, the eclecticism, or the antinomianism? As for the first, humans are more receiving apparatuses (apparata?) for ideas than they are authors. So don't sweat the dearth of footnotes. Quoth Seneca, I make your idea mine by living it well. Eclecticism I find messy. Sheer maladroit opportunism that I deeply berue for not having thought to do first. Crime? Whatever else you think, major felonies do take nerve. More than my poltroon person posesses. The capacity to carry these out with sufficient skill not to get caught represents a certain refinement of self control. Whether one can do this and avoid becoming slave to the thrill or to sadism is an entirely other question. Historically, it's hard to find many founder ancestors who were not rather bloody or at least brigands.

This apologia for the party or parties in question notwithstanding, I seem to recall a certain aesthetic distaste for the Falxifer stuff. Somehow the whole flavor did not strike me as the work of someone who had actually done what they wrote of. The late Col. Jeff Cooper once dismissed an alleged pistolero noting, "His greatest shots were all made with a typewriter."

I’ll just say that Vlad is what happens when someone with serious mental issues joins the left-hand path. But look at how Jon Nödtveidt ended up.

Reading the Ixxaxar interviews, I can still see that same guy who appeared on TV saying that human sacrifices are necessary to worship Satan, or who had (or has) a girlfriend who claimed she was going to give birth to the son of Satan. (What the hell?)

This is another discussion, but what about the worship of entities? Aren’t we supposed to imitate them? Aren’t we supposed to become independent? Isn’t it contradictory to worship them when we are striving for independence?

(For anyone who reads this last, I don't have problems if you worship any entitie. Just I believe is contradictory to worship as we'd owe something to them)

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2182 use various traditions but never mix them in a single ritual context.

I never meant he mixed each other, just I believe it's unnecessary to include some of them. For example, I think the liber azerate would've been better if he hadn't added the part related to TOS.

 

[8Lou1]

@Adelina : i get where you coming from, but i live in europe and i also get why its made out to be 'dark'. people here sometimes find burning candles in front of a picture of a deceased family member heretic. especially the nordic parts of europe have a very strict xtian past. i grew up with everything fun is from the devil. some religious schools here even turn off their websites on sunday. so its rather DORK.

most here are also very blind to people who live with less. stealing is something that just doesnt pop up in someones mind. even a beggar shouldnt steal or beg for that matter, he should stop being a sissy and get a job.

it really is the mentality of the masses we have to struggle tru, before we can even say 'I AM' . not even mentioning the fact that we also have to struggle tru the mess of wo2 and get labeled racist for researching our roots. it brings out a lot of hate and pain.

the falxifer books for me, appeared as books with a spiritual storyline and a part where one can choose to act upon it by several means. to me its like abraham, only no intervention. the toxic 'medicine' i know too well. somehow it works when you are inline with what is going on. otherwise it is just a call for murder and torture. ( i drank sulphur for a month, amongst other stuff)

the call for an opfer to enter a current seems cool to many. they havent felt The Pain, yet. im not pro, but it is how it works.

 

[Xenophon]

I’ll just say that Vlad is what happens when someone with serious mental issues joins the left-hand path. But look at how Jon Nödtveidt ended up.

Reading the Ixxaxar interviews, I can still see that same guy who appeared on TV saying that human sacrifices are necessary to worship Satan, or who had (or has) a girlfriend who claimed she was going to give birth to the son of Satan. (What the hell?)

This is another discussion, but what about the worship of entities? Aren’t we supposed to imitate them? Aren’t we supposed to become independent? Isn’t it contradictory to worship them when we are striving for independence?

(For anyone who reads this last, I don't have problems if you worship any entitie. Just I believe is contradictory to worship as we'd owe something to them)

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I never meant he mixed each other, just I believe it's unnecessary to include some of them. For example, I think the liber azerate would've been better if he hadn't added the part related to TOS.

Wintruz had a post recently in another thread talking about the allure of the LHP for the chronically malfunctional. Think of it as winnowing. One either develops or he destroys himself. In the meantime, yeah, their antics can range from bad street theater to a public menace. (But then the public arguably needs more menace. The last time I was West of the Dneiper, I was much disheartened as to how collaboration with state-run anarchytyranny seems the expected state of things.)

 

[HoldAll]

Since those Falxifer books have been mentioned several times recently, I've reuploaded them and updated my post accordingly:

Book – PDF - Liber Falxifer I - III

Liber Falxifer: The Book of the Left-Handed Reaper This book of the Scythe-Bearer provides the fundamental theoretical, historical and mythical foundation for the Cult of the Left-Handed Reaper, and offers clear instruction for ritual practice connected to both the folk-magical tradition, as...

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