[Opinion] What is your choice? Diluted magic or someone's feelings?

[Dascent]

Could you share an example of a magical practice you feel is often performed incorrectly, incompletely, or in a diluted form?
It seems that some practices can become diluted or confused due to various factors. I recently observed (one from many other) -- a situation where an individual wasn't properly guided or supported, perhaps due to fear of getting into disputes, reason for conflict.
I'm interested in discussing instances where established practices are altered, even if the source of inspiration is unconventional, like video games.
In your opinion, what is the impact when experience, wisdom, and logic are overlooked in favor of prioritizing individual feelings within a magical practice?

It is not a venting post because compassion is one of the aspects I use in everyday interaction but I want to know if fear is besting logic in this practice too.

 

[Faria]

Biggest mistakes that keep people fruitlessly working for years without ever getting anything like real magical results. If one of these resemble your practice and you wish to get the kind of results you expected before you read a book that told you some bullshit, here's what is wrong with what you are doing:

1. Stop visualizing anything. Just forget it. Stop. It has absolutely no value whatsoever in magic for any reason. If you are reading something magical and it talks about visualizing, set it down and get a different book.

2. Stop trying to have conversations with gods, spirits, ghosts, and other supernatural beings just to get to know them. Stop treating them like real people. Either request they give you information about anything other than themselves, request them to do something that benefits you, or leave them the hell alone.

3. Disregard altered states of consciousness, gnosis, and drug experiences as representative of anything magical or any part of magical technique.

 

[r2magooo]

Hints ..

1. there is no such thing as dilution of focus
2. there is no such thing as a dud magick methodology .. they all work
3. all rituals work perfectly .. every time ... no exceptions

Consider .. each and every ritual that you have ever read . works .. as described

SO .. er .. "failure of result" ...

reveals ... areas to practice (which is why its called magickal practice)

.. regards

and you are welcome

 

[Robert Ramsay]

Could you share an example of a magical practice you feel is often performed incorrectly, incompletely, or in a diluted form?
It seems that some practices can become diluted or confused due to various factors. I recently observed (one from many other) -- a situation where an individual wasn't properly guided or supported, perhaps due to fear of getting into disputes, reason for conflict.
I'm interested in discussing instances where established practices are altered, even if the source of inspiration is unconventional, like video games.
In your opinion, what is the impact when experience, wisdom, and logic are overlooked in favor of prioritizing individual feelings within a magical practice?

It is not a venting post because compassion is one of the aspects I use in everyday interaction but I want to know if fear is besting logic in this practice too.

The biggest mistake is usually accidentally substituing "Gee, I hope this works!" for your actual intent. Or indeed, choosing your intent badly. If your intent is to be a great actor, and you say "I want to be a great actor", then your intent is fulfilled - you already WANT to be a great actor. If, instead you say "I WILL be a great actor" or "I AM a great actor" then that is a better statement of intent.

 

[Xenophon]

The biggest mistake is usually accidentally substituing "Gee, I hope this works!" for your actual intent. Or indeed, choosing your intent badly. If your intent is to be a great actor, and you say "I want to be a great actor", then your intent is fulfilled - you already WANT to be a great actor. If, instead you say "I WILL be a great actor" or "I AM a great actor" then that is a better statement of intent.

Interesting. In the Nordic tradition, one typically uses the past tense in making wishes. As if to say, it's as good as done.

 

[stalkinghyena]

In your opinion, what is the impact when experience, wisdom, and logic are overlooked in favor of prioritizing individual feelings within a magical practice?

Could be new discoveries?
I have found that projecting what "should be" into the work can be a useful initial guideline, to evade the apparent Minotaur in the maze. But one must be wary of the unexpected, and it isn't necessarily a bad thing or a delusion. In my case, it is what I hope for.
We restrict ourselves to certain operational foci in order to establish a mode of action and communication, and these initially may come with expectations (or prejudices) often based off of the apparent historical experience of others which are furthered modified by social mores embedded in the narrative. Magical forces are not restricted in the same way (if they are at all, aside from what we perceive as timing), but will use the rites from the other end as a matter of tuning, like a radio.

"Your locks are no hindrance to us," as an Enochian spirit once said.

You could think of your brain as a transceiver, your culture (ritual) as a tuning dial, but really it is a mask. So-called established practices are a starting point for many, and that is all fair and good. But emotion, "feelings" are far more important in magic when they are understood as raw elemental forces, beneath their shades of psychic delusion
(masks), that can fuel an experiment.

For me, "tangential tantrums" (or tantra ), coupled with type of religious reverence (I mean in the sense of the Corpus Hermeticum) have yielded much more than just operative "success" in terms of the typical expectations. All things have their time and mechanism, but there is readiness and adaptation of character, bound to a certain type of awareness, that offer up the greatest prizes, IME & IMO, & etc.