What is your take on the Void.

[Snoopy]

I interpret the Void as a plane of limitless potential, somewhat linked to the source or a palate for the source. Too many the mind can be seen as a Void, as much as a piece of clean paper. How do you interpret the Void into your workings and/or ideologies? I have my own knowledge and take on the topic at hand, I wish to stir up and see what can be made with such question.

 

[Thee Nightfool]

I've always thought the concept of Kali's womb via Kaula tantra was a real-world example of The Void being embraced by a sorcerous few.

 

[Snoopy]

I've always thought the concept of Kali's womb via Kaula tantra was a real-world example of The Void being embraced by a sorcerous few.

I have heard of this but personally never truly looked into it, I will today thank you brother.

 

[Thee Nightfool]

I have heard of this but personally never truly looked into it, I will today thank you brother.

It's just my UPG. I wouldn't say it's "traditional" in terms of a tantric sense. Just so you're aware.

 

[IllusiveOwl]

The Void is empty, it is negation, the divine Feminine, Yin. Without it, the expression of Yang, of Life, would have nowhere to express itself, and nothing to dissolve into at its conclusion.

Like a song, the notes work with the eternal silence to make a melody. Can you imagine a song without any silence or pauses between notes? It would get annoying pretty fucking quickly.

The void is part of a whole, I use it in my work to re-center myself, pause, and most importantly to receive energy. It is easy to fall into it and get lost, just as easy as it is to get lost in the generative madness of Yang expression. The two work together, and the practitioner should use them as they are needed to maintain balance.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: What is your take on the Void
SUBTOPIC; Understanding the question?
⁜→ Snoopy, et al,

What is this "void" you are talking about?

IF you are referring to a region of space(-time), THEN a region of space that light penetrates is not a true void.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Taudefindi]

I see the void as nothingness.
It can be the spaces in-between "something" or it can be the true "nothing", which ends up becoming something since nothing can't truly be nothing as we give it a name and...you get my point.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: What is your take on the Void
SUBTOPIC; Understanding the question?
⁜→ Taudefindi, et al,

I see the void as nothingness.
It can be the spaces in-between "something" or it can be the true "nothing", which ends up becoming something since nothing can't truly be nothing as we give it a name and...you get my point.

(COMMENT)

I don't think there is any place in the known universe where some form of cosmic energy, most often electromagnetic energy (for example, Visible Light) is NOT Present. Remembering that there is a direct relationship between "mass" (the tangible) and "energy" (particle and waveform) • E = mc^2.

Even a Black Hole has a galactic coordinate for the singularity.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[SkullTraill]

I see the void as nothingness.
It can be the spaces in-between "something" or it can be the true "nothing", which ends up becoming something since nothing can't truly be nothing as we give it a name and...you get my point.

One million percent my same view.

The void is nothing. And nothing cannot exist. The same way you can't "have" 0 apples. You just don't have apples. It doesn't exist. The whole reason (in my estimation) that the universe (and we) exist, is because nothing can't possibly exist.

I mean, maybe it did/does/will exist. But it is inconsequential because it is nothing. It's a philosophical overthought and an exercise in cognitive excess.

That being said, the word "void" is just a word in the english language. As you have already done in the OP, you can assign any meaning you want to it. You could call the astral plane "the void" you could call a mirror universe "the void" you could call all those things "the warp" or whatever word you could think of.

It's meaningless to assign an unconventional definition to a word and then debate that word's definition.

 

[IllusiveOwl]

The void is nothing. And nothing cannot exist. The same way you can't "have" 0 apples. You just don't have apples. It doesn't exist. The whole reason (in my estimation) that the universe (and we) exist, is because nothing can't possibly exist.

How do you see the universe? What shape is it? Does it have a shell, an inside & outside? Because only that which is outside the universe could be nothing, but that would then be something, and then would that nothing have an end? What was before the big bang, nothing? Was there such a time?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: What is your take on the Void
SUBTOPIC; Understanding the question?
⁜→@ IllusiveOwl, et al,

All excellent questions. Let us take them one at a time.

How do you see the universe?

(COMMENT)

The universe is viewed in many different ways.

• By examining objects using visible light (optical astronomy).
• By looking at objects with detectors sensitive to Infrared, ultraviolet, and other emitted radio waves (including objects at submillimetre wavelengths).
• By performing spectrum analysis on all the energy that can be detected from the distant object.
• By looking at the Red-shift and Blue-shift of objects in the expanding fabric of space.
• By examining the gravitational effect the object has on nearby objects.
• By focusing detection capabilities on the x-rays, gamma-rays, cosmic-rays, and searching for neutrinos.
• etc

What shape is it?

(COMMENT)

This question is beyond the knowledge of science and is one of the many metaphysical boundaries. There are some very good theoretical conjectures and some nice mathematical presentations. But it is still supposition and speculation. The Milky Way is over 100K Lightyears in its diameter. Right now the terrestrial radio bubble is about 120 Lightyears in radius. That represents the farthest intelligence of out species could have traveled, plus the electromagnetic noise that might be considered a signal associated with a nitrogen-oxygen atmosphere planet that would reflect stellar radiation.

Does it have a shell, an inside & outside?

(COMMENT)

Again, science cannot answer this question. The study of science includes the use of the scientific method. At the current time, things like "String Theory" (as an example) cannot be tested using the scientific method.

I am pretty sure that no one in my generation knows the answer to your question. The probability is that there is no shell, that the fabric of space-time is already out there and the universe is just expanding into it. (Someone can probably write you a lot of mumbo-jumbo quantum field theory (QFT) and relativity (GR) using quantum mechanics (QM). I'll be honest, I have a minuscule understanding of QM. It takes people like Sir Roger Penrose to figure out if. there is a realistic and probable. answer. I get a headache just thinking about.

Because only that which is outside the universe could be nothing, but that would then be something, and then would that nothing have an end?

(COMMENT)

Inside and outside (a three-dimensional object) are concepts that are better left behind in the realm of Newtonian mechanics. The Milky Way is in a local group of galaxies, - which is part of a Virgo Supercluster, - which is in turn part of the giant Laniakea Supercluster. It is ≈ 500 or 600 million Lightyears with 100 million billion solar systems. These numbers and distances are so big that writing them down cannot stimulate the mind to understand the enormity.

What was before the big bang, nothing?

(COMMENT)

The Big Band (bad scientific notation) is the theoretical location from which the first energy was ejected.
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Was there such a time?

(COMMENT)

Many claim that the observable universe is ≈ 90 to 100 Billion Lightyears in diameter.

I am not so sure that I am even qualified to answer this question.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[djcullgirl]

i once experienced the void, my only memory from any of the times i died between death and conciousness... i was in my "self-body", kind of in a cocoon or womb type energy bubble, but i remember just being in aw of the complete and utter nothingness.... and feeling so, so, so, SO deeply at peace... a type of rest id never felt before. it was just blackness, i have a vague impression of a tron-like black grid of nothingness.... but in the moment it was just profound peace and quiet. When i came to, surround by paramedics, i realized i was already well in to a diatribe cursing the paramedics to hell - "why?? why??? why did you bring me back?? you fucking bastards" type attitude....

it always tripped me out that i experienced ----nothingness---- seems impossible.

skip to the emoji if you dont want to hear me over-explain you through the void and back


Another time, after years of compoundingly worse night terrors resulting in me almost dying of lack of sleep/malnutrition, i had a big ol dose of Oxytocin (not to be mistaken for oxycodone) that reshaped my entire reality and kicked off this process of awakening, knowledge and contact contact with my spirit guides, etc all came around this period....

Like i said, night terrors, life threatening sleep disorders, until this dream (a series of them, very vivid)

long story short i ended up building some kind of giant machine with all the archetypes of different hood characters... and we're in this weird forest/industrial area racing to build a giant machine out of vinyl records, old rave classics, when the police show up...

I remember they were like "you guys gotta get outta here" and i just went immediately to compliance, my mind was all. "yes sir. ok, cops say we gotta go guys, lets pack it up" - which is just SO not me, quite the opposite - and then this dykey punk lady was like "fuck no, fuck you!" and i snapped out of it like "jesus christ what hte fuck was i thinking, fuck these cops" and we proceeded to fight them, wooping their ass before they flooded the whole valley to get rid of us, but not before we built the thing.... oh yeah there was contact with a very cliche racist depiction of a native medicin man who had brought me a gift... it was a roll of heavy canvas fabric, and it had been soaked in astral-realm-quality LSD... and a medicine bundle...

Anyways, when i was coming out of the dream, usually i'll just suddenly realize im awake, and was dreaming previously. This time, i entered a sort of liminal space in between, but there was an in between these spaces where i felt like i was physically floating from one plane to another... and i hear in a booming voice (my own internal dialogue, as opposed to an external character like other experiences) say something along the lines of "sacred healing grounds, powerful medicine dream" or some shit; and i was like damn ok cool


and heres "void" number two

next thing i know i'm in an all white space, with three entities, but their shrouded by a brilliant light emanating from them, but i recognize a humanoid form, and an intense familiarity. the only visible thing besides these creatures was a giant bonfire, which we were dancing around in a ritual-trance-ceremony, a very sacred one.


i instantly recognized thta i had either been here thousands upon thousands of times - OR - i was there, always, eternally, ritually dancing around the fire with these other characters... i often long to find myself there again. maybe stay, even.

anyways yo ucan see how different it was from the other void i experienced, in that it wasnt actually a void... there was fire, and light. but then again, there was some kind of structural... thing in the void too... but that may be me painting old memories with my own brush

 

[IllusiveOwl]

This question is beyond the knowledge of science and is one of the many metaphysical boundaries.

According to the CIA, this is the shape of the universe:

 

[SkullTraill]

How do you see the universe? What shape is it? Does it have a shell, an inside & outside? Because only that which is outside the universe could be nothing, but that would then be something, and then would that nothing have an end? What was before the big bang, nothing? Was there such a time?

Meaningless questions, akin to asking "What does the moon look like?" from a blind person. Or asking "What was life like before you were ever born?". No, there is no shell, because if there was one, you could just step outside it, and that boundary would expand. That's not to say the universe isn't contained within something larger, by way of non-euclidian spacetime, which does allow the universe to be finite from the outside, but infinite from the inside. However, whether at some point along the container chain there is a truly infinite universe, or there is simply an infinite amount of recursive containers, there is no "outside" where there is truly "nothing".

Also, there was no time before the bing bang, because time itself began at the big bang. Obviously, we have a problem because we think and communicate in english/human language in which we have to use words like "time began at the big bang" which according to the rules of our language/the way we think implies that there was something before that. However, the universe doesn't care about "how we think".

I sometimes imagine looking at the universe from outside spacetime, and it looking like just a static, fixed, "spiky" shape - if we were to view time as a spatial dimension then looking from outside time means nothing would be moving, and every object would be an elongated spline from its beginning to its end.

Then, I immediately realise how retarded this is, because outside spacetime there would be no photons to bring any information of an object to me, nor would there be any time for that to happen, nor would any human perception make sense, nor would there be any need for any "space" or "shapes" it could just be a point-like collection of mathematical information that takes no space, and looks like nothing, and everything we perceive from within is just a result of the physical rules of spacetime that apply to us.

What did you look like before you were born? What did you look like before your parents met? What did you look like in 1344? What did you look like before the Earth formed? Nothing. You didn't exist. Nothing doesn't exist either.

Or, more mathematically, what set exists outside the set of all sets? Obviously none.

Sure, someone could mental gymnastic their way into answering these questions, but it's very obvious that it would just be an exercise in literature or philosophy or cognition of some kind. All dependent on the human mind. Doesn't mean any of it is real.

Because only that which is outside the universe could be nothing, but that would then be something, and then would that nothing have an end?

Exactly.

According to the CIA, this is the shape of the universe:

According to the CIA, jet fuel melts steel beams but doesn't burn a passport. So let's not be too eager to listen to any of their bullshit.

The universe is viewed in many different ways.

• By examining objects using visible light (optical astronomy).
• By looking at objects with detectors sensitive to Infrared, ultraviolet, and other emitted radio waves (including objects at submillimetre wavelengths).
• By performing spectrum analysis on all the energy that can be detected from the distant object.
• By looking at the Red-shift and Blue-shift of objects in the expanding fabric of space.
• By examining the gravitational effect the object has on nearby objects.
• By focusing detection capabilities on the x-rays, gamma-rays, cosmic-rays, and searching for neutrinos.
• etc

The universe can only be viewed in 4 ways. I.e. the effects of the 4 fundamental forces on you/your measuring equipment. The strong force, the weak force, the electromagnetic force and gravity. Everything you just said amounts to measurement of one of these 4 forces.

From outside the universe, there is no interaction with any of these forces, so nothing looks like anything. There is no "space" or "time" or "chair" or "computer" or "you" from outside, just like there is no little "wizardforums logo" imprint on your CPU chip when you browse WF.

This question is beyond the knowledge of science and is one of the many metaphysical boundaries. There are some very good theoretical conjectures and some nice mathematical presentations. But it is still supposition and speculation. The Milky Way is over 100K Lightyears in its diameter. Right now the terrestrial radio bubble is about 120 Lightyears in radius. That represents the farthest intelligence of out species could have traveled, plus the electromagnetic noise that might be considered a signal associated with a nitrogen-oxygen atmosphere planet that would reflect stellar radiation.

(COMMENT)

Again, science cannot answer this question. The study of science includes the use of the scientific method. At the current time, things like "String Theory" (as an example) cannot be tested using the scientific method.

I am pretty sure that no one in my generation knows the answer to your question. The probability is that there is no shell, that the fabric of space-time is already out there and the universe is just expanding into it. (Someone can probably write you a lot of mumbo-jumbo quantum field theory (QFT) and relativity (GR) using quantum mechanics (QM). I'll be honest, I have a minuscule understanding of QM. It takes people like Sir Roger Penrose to figure out if. there is a realistic and probable. answer. I get a headache just thinking about.

It is not that science can't answer these questions, it is that these questions only have meaning and purpose within the realms, laws, forces of human perception and by extension, science. It's like asking what direction is orthogonal to up-down, left-right, forward-backward. Or what temperature does water boil at inside the core of the sun. Whatever, you get the picture.

Inside and outside (a three-dimensional object) are concepts that are better left behind in the realm of Newtonian mechanics. The Milky Way is in a local group of galaxies, - which is part of a Virgo Supercluster, - which is in turn part of the giant Laniakea Supercluster. It is ≈ 500 or 600 million Lightyears with 100 million billion solar systems. These numbers and distances are so big that writing them down cannot stimulate the mind to understand the enormity.

Numbers are trivial. They don't even exist outside the universe.

The Big Band (bad scientific notation) is the theoretical location from which the first energy was ejected.

No it's not. The big bang occurred at every point in the current universe. It's more a time at which it occurred. The first time that occurred. It is the beginning of both time and space. And matter for that matter... lol.

Many claim that the observable universe is ≈ 90 to 100 Billion Lightyears in diameter.

There is still plenty of universe left beyond that

I am not so sure that I am even qualified to answer this question.

No one is.

 

[IllusiveOwl]

Meaningless questions

You could argue that everything is meaningless, that meaning inherently doesn't exist and when it does it's just a useful hallucination.

Still, the different conclusions people come to with these impossible questions can be illuminating. Plus, who knows, maybe someone's got Astral travel on lockdown and has managed to zoom off to see the ends of the cosmos.

 

[SkullTraill]

You could argue that everything is meaningless, that meaning inherently doesn't exist and when it does it's just a useful hallucination.

Still, the different conclusions people come to with these impossible questions can be illuminating. Plus, who knows, maybe someone's got Astral travel on lockdown and has managed to zoom off to see the ends of the cosmos.

No absolutely, like I said before... a lot of people think about these questions and may attempt to answer them by way of poetry (as in wordplay, pseudoscience, artistic philosophy). I was careful not to call it useless, because I agree that it can be a catalyst for learning, growing, communicating, spirituality etc.

It's just at the end of the day it's rooted in imagination, not reality. But what even is reality other than a deeply individual experience.

If someone claims to be able to astral travel beyond infinity, turn around, look back at the universe and claim it looks a certain way... I'm not going to believe them in the slightest, but I might be entertained by it, so it might not be useless.

Anyone can think whatever the want. The struggle is in convincing other people to think the same thing. That's what we need science, language, logic and philosophy for. And within those paradigms, your questions are meaningless. That's all.

 

[rice candy]

The Void is nothingness. Nothingness cannot create anything.

Therefore assigning meaning, appearance, or function to the Void conflicts with its very nature of absolute erasure.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: What is your take on the Void
SUBTOPIC: Characteristics
⁜→@ rice candy, et al,

As hard as it may seem to be understandable, no known locality can be considered the "Center of the Universe" (CoU). This has a direct impact on the intuitive notion of what might be regarded as the "Center of the Universe." (There is no CoU.)

By extension, there is no edge to the Universe. The Universe is unbounded from a counterintuitive standpoint.

The Void is nothingness. Nothingness cannot create anything.

Therefore assigning meaning, appearance, or function to the Void conflicts with its very nature of absolute erasure.

(COMMENT)

This leads us back to

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when I ask: What is this "void?"

There is a reason why, no matter which direction you listen, you detect the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB).

Everything in the fabric of space is expanding outward. That is to say (based on the observable) that the

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Just My Thought,
Most Respectfully,

R