[Opinion] Whats the point of it all?

[radolf159]

Ik its probably a stupid question with no real answer but whats the point? What am I supposed to even do, strenghten my psychic senses, or ap, or read tarot but what difference does it make compared to an atheists life. Why cant I just commit suicide and then see spiritual world for what it is and if it even exists? Life is mostly filled with suffering, whats the point of enduring here?

 

[Shaman]

Are you struggling with a mental health condition?

 

[ThirdEyeWizard]

Some say that we are perfecting our souls for the glory of God and for ourselves. Others say that the fun is not in the destination but in the journey getting there and all the things we learn along the way and all the friends we make. I say that the point is love: not only romantic love but love for oneself, for nature, for others, such as friendship and family.

I find a lot of meaning in column A, column B and column C, although I'm certain there are more columns.

 

[SkullTraill]

There is no point other than the point you make/decide. You don't have to do anything. Assuming you're able-bodied and able-minded, taking an ejector seat from life, which you call "suffering" is trivial and a mere matter of constitution.

We're not here to convince you to want to do something. We're here to help those who already want something (occult-related) to achieve it.

You can commit suicide at any point. Not everyone believes life is mostly suffering, not everyone believes taking the easy way out is the answer. Some people are seeking knowledge for it's own sake. Some people are seeking knowledge to achieve something they want.

Like the spoon, there is no point. Everything is what you make of it. This is the only therapy session you're getting from me for free.

 

[Lurker]

We all suffer to some extent, but you can use magick to reduce the suffering. Magick can evolve your consciousness so you perceive things differently so you don't suffer as much. You can also use magick to reduce your suffering by helping to pull things and people into your life that you want and by helping to expel people and things from your life that you don't want. It's self-empowerment for improving your life beyond ordinary means.

If you don't meditate, I recommend getting started ASAP. It works great for coming to terms with yourself, and understanding how you need to change yourself to change your world. As within, so without - change your inner world and your outer world will follow.

 

[radolf159]

There is no point other than the point you make/decide. You don't have to do anything. Assuming you're able-bodied and able-minded, taking an ejector seat from life, which you call "suffering" is trivial and a mere matter of constitution.

We're not here to convince you to want to do something. We're here to help those who already want something (occult-related) to achieve it.

You can commit suicide at any point. Not everyone believes life is mostly suffering, not everyone believes taking the easy way out is the answer. Some people are seeking knowledge for it's own sake. Some people are seeking knowledge to achieve something they want.

Like the spoon, there is no point. Everything is what you make of it. This is the only therapy session you're getting from me for free.

you are right, Im sorry

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Thank you for your replies, I realised it was wrong of me to ask that, this is no place to ask questions like that, my bad.

 

[Doorman]

I've been seeing a lot of this nihilist take about the world like "nothing matters", "what's the point of it all" and the worst of all "life has no meaning". As someone that had that mindset, I can tell its total bs. People go out trying to "find" meaning, but let me tell you something: meaning is not something you "find", is something you "give".

Our minds are literally machines made to make correlations and then give meaning to these correlations. Once you realize that you can give any meaning you want to literally everything, you realize that life is full of meaning, and that the "nothing matters" is a complete lie. In reality, I think "everything matters" would be more realistic...

 

[Shade]

Ik its probably a stupid question with no real answer but whats the point? What am I supposed to even do, strenghten my psychic senses, or ap, or read tarot but what difference does it make compared to an atheists life. Why cant I just commit suicide and then see spiritual world for what it is and if it even exists? Life is mostly filled with suffering, whats the point of enduring here?

The point very well could be - and I know a bit cringe - but the point very well could be finding a point. (Don’t crucify me) the Bible says Heaven is found within.

I can unequivocally state there is some form of an afterlife, what lays beyond the point of no return I can’t say, but it will be there when your time comes. Just don’t rush it, life is chaotic, it has its pit falls but half the fun is making it to that mountain top, finding realizing Your no longer in the hole. find that inner strength to Do the impossible, embrace the chaos of this world, marvel at it.

it never hurts to talk to a professional about your concerns, do some inner work and find the root cause of your concerns.

in no way is this meant to downplay what turmoil you’re going through but you can make it. people are a hell of a lot mentally stronger than we give ourselves credit for.
it could be something such as a hormone imbalance due to food, younger people they need to be more active to get that pent up energy out, it can be a multitude of factors. One thing is for sure. Even when you feel alone, we’re all in this crazy world together.

 

[radolf159]

I've been seeing a lot of this nihilist take about the world like "nothing matters", "what's the point of it all" and the worst of all "life has no meaning". As someone that had that mindset, I can tell its total bs. People go out trying to "find" meaning, but let me tell you something: meaning is not something you "find", is something you "give".

Our minds are literally machines made to make correlations and then give meaning to these correlations. Once you realize that you can give any meaning you want to literally everything, you realize that life is full of meaning, and that the "nothing matters" is a complete lie. In reality, I think "everything matters" would be more realistic...

Sure, I can give meaning to anything but that meaning will be 100% irrelevant 5000 trillion years from now. Nature itself seems to be fully indifferent and brutal. I should have left the suicide part out, but my question was more about confusion of the afterlife and whether there is difference between living 20 or 80 years on this planet. Either there is no afterlife, forced reincarnation, forced into heaven or hell, or best case scenario I get to roam around as some sort of soul/being but then for how long and what would be the point of roaming around as a soul in the universe/universes for eternity. What about my past hypothetical wife, children and friends from planet called Earth where I died 50 billion years ago as I roam around space. Would I even remember anything from 50 billion years ago and what would I even use for memory when my physical brain is long dead? I dont know if this is nihilism as I never studied it much.

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The point very well could be - and I know a bit cringe - but the point very well could be finding a point. (Don’t crucify me) the Bible says Heaven is found within.

I can unequivocally state there is some form of an afterlife, what lays beyond the point of no return I can’t say, but it will be there when your time comes. Just don’t rush it, life is chaotic, it has its pit falls but half the fun is making it to that mountain top, finding realizing Your no longer in the hole. find that inner strength to Do the impossible, embrace the chaos of this world, marvel at it.

it never hurts to talk to a professional about your concerns, do some inner work and find the root cause of your concerns.

in no way is this meant to downplay what turmoil you’re going through but you can make it. people are a hell of a lot mentally stronger than we give ourselves credit for.
it could be something such as a hormone imbalance due to food, younger people they need to be more active to get that pent up energy out, it can be a multitude of factors. One thing is for sure. Even when you feel alone, we’re all in this crazy world together.

I guess thats right, I should just live my life as best as I can and whatever comes after death will remain a mystery. I was just hoping that people who astral project and talk to divinities a lot would know more about afterlife but its clearly too complicated and Im out of my element, I will continue using the forum as I intend to spiritually grow as well in whatever direction, starting with chakra work. As for professionals I tried many but that is a giant issue in my country and I find living without medication much better.

 

[ThirdEyeWizard]

This is a very interesting discussion. My ultimate question is: what is the afterlife like? I want to know the details and the rules and the system and everything.

Perhaps there is someone out there who is very skilled in astro projection and/or has experience with the afterlife and knows.

 

[Shade]

This is a very interesting discussion. My ultimate question is: what is the afterlife like? I want to know the details and the rules and the system and everything.

Perhaps there is someone out there who is very skilled in astro projection and/or has experience with the afterlife and knows.

NDE’s vary from person to person, there’s a point of no return so what lays beyond that is really just conjecture. There are people who study NDE’s for a living and they are quite fascinating. they are all different yet somewhat similar depending on what your beliefs are it seems. Whatever helps make the transition easier.

 

[HoldAll]

There is no meaning of life that can be put in well-reasoned words. It's the entirely irrational, obscure feeling that there is a point to all this, and if you don't have that feeling, you're depressed. Nobody ever committed suicide because they'd reached a philosophical impasse; people kill themselves because of feelings, not because they started reading the Four Noble Truths of the Buddha and stopped after the first one.

What led me to this conclusion is my experience with major depression and anti-depressants since adolescence. In a way, their effect is scarier than that of any street drug, a total profound and at the same time very subtle change of perspective and general outlook. So right now life makes no sense, everything is bleak and dreary, people are mean, the world is a shithole but after two or three weeks, you don't even ask yourself questions about the meaning of life (they will probably sound rather pompous and silly), everything just is, i.e. as normal and banal as ever, people are what they are and do what they do, who gives a fuck, and I have my family and friends so the world at large can go hang. It made me aware of just how relative feelings are and how everything, and I mean everything, we do is governed by emotions. Logic doesn't stand a chance. Even authors of the dryest philosophical treatises imaginable wrote them because they liked their intellectual output, because they felt they expressed their personal truth and they felt good formulating them, and most important of all, they felt that the general public needed to read their (hopefully) sublime thoughts, because otherwise they wouldn't have written them down and published them in the first place. It's feelings, feelings all the way.

It’s why I have a hard time to take such expressions of world weariness very seriously. If you are not actually afflicted by physical pain or illness, by disability, past trauma or by anything specific that makes you despair for some serious reason, you might suffer from clinical depression, and if you’re lucky enough to respond to anti-depressants and your doc finds the right one, that generalized world weariness will be completely gone, unbelievably enough, because, once again, your capacity of feeling that it’s all worth it will be restored, and no flash of philosophical insight or forum reply can do that. We’re all here because we feel intrigued by metaphysical questions, because we’re excited about this or that new method or book, and once we cease to feel intrigued or excited, we’ll most likely drop the whole thing, however revolutionary that method or however well-crafted that book.

Long story short: People live because they like to live for whatever reason, and that reason is always a feeling (or a whole bundle of emotions) and not some elaborate doctrine or sophisticated rational philosophy. By the same token, we concern ourselves with such outlandish, weird things here because we like it. Oh yes, we all can justify our interest in the occult with the most beautfully chosen words anrd rationales but they are as nothing compared to emotions like fascination or obsession that keep us pushing forward in our studies and daily practice, grotesque as that may seem to outsiders.

 

[Towndusk]

I think meaning, as someone that likes to find meaning for everything, isn't for anyone but oneself, and when things come for oneself, it isn't really what life is about (and some would say that magic isn't neither);

For my reality, the meaning of life might be so out of our reach, that if we are reaching that knowledge, it will become through our own work, getting closer to our patrons, communities or gods. And with closer, I don't mean bonding, but rather "becoming".

I hope that, by any amount of debris your life might be made of or that you think that is made of, there are monuments that have been built with less, and I don't mean try harder, I mean, look for other things while you resolve this matter.

This is my take. Your self-determination is sacred. As Lurker said, meditation could be a good place to start, not only for introspection, but as a tool for many other practices, I bet this forum will bring you enough different points of interest to find a path.

 

[Doorman]

Sure, I can give meaning to anything but that meaning will be 100% irrelevant 5000 trillion years from now. Nature itself seems to be fully indifferent and brutal. I should have left the suicide part out, but my question was more about confusion of the afterlife and whether there is difference between living 20 or 80 years on this planet. Either there is no afterlife, forced reincarnation, forced into heaven or hell, or best case scenario I get to roam around as some sort of soul/being but then for how long and what would be the point of roaming around as a soul in the universe/universes for eternity. What about my past hypothetical wife, children and friends from planet called Earth where I died 50 billion years ago as I roam around space. Would I even remember anything from 50 billion years ago and what would I even use for memory when my physical brain is long dead? I dont know if this is nihilism as I never studied it much.

Honestly, it totally matters and is not irrelevant at all. If you know anything about chaos theory, you know that even the most insignificant changes completely alter the result. A little change of 0,000000001% is enough to completely change the the outcome in chaotic systems. That is mathematically proven, and I have no doubt life is a chaotic system.

As for the afterlife, I would suggest reading about Guardian Angel/ Higher Self. When you die, you will be fundamentally changed, and normal logic like this is not at all valid I think (if you believe in the afterlife).

 

[Vandheer]

Thank you for your replies, I realised it was wrong of me to ask that, this is no place to ask questions like that, my bad.

Not neccesarily, but what made you thought we would have the ultimate answer? A little bit of skimming this forum and you will see all kinds of beliefs here.

The point very well could be - and I know a bit cringe - but the point very well could be finding a point. (Don’t crucify me) the Bible says Heaven is found within.

Nietzsche also seems to come to this solution from what I understand of his writings. Just make up your own meaning. If it loses meaning in 5000 years why is that important to you? You won't live that long.

I was just hoping that people who astral project and talk to divinities a lot would know more about afterlife but its clearly too complicated and Im out of my element

Sure but these are also subjective events most of the time and can't really be proven can they?

 

[radolf159]

Thanks, this changed my perspective.