When one pays a practitioner for work should they share their own name if they are not the target?

[Mad-dog]

I wanted to ask this because of previous experiences with online orders from known practitioners who offer root work etc, why would they need the name of the person ordering unless its a love spell etc?

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

Depends on if the magician needs to dottier own work, and if they are working with spirits. A full name may not be mandatory, but an energetic link might be helpful. TGK is a man with a good reputation imo. Nate Bales is another that I could trust. More expensive however.

 

[8Lou1]

i know there is an discussion in islam, where people debate whether a name is needed at all. lots of people who believe in folklore call using names therefor haram/forbidden. i for myself have no clue, other then that there is a difference in things in the sense that a soul doesnt always respond to the bodies name.

for me it makes sense that when you do a working for someone as your job and you dont agree on it, but you still have to do it as its your job, yes then it makes sense you also put the name of the one who ordered it, up. in a more positive way of thinking one would say he gave the contractor the honors.

 

[Mad-dog]

For a love spell maybe, but anything else only directed to a target (healing, cursing, farting) its only for the target to experience so why would you need the name of the person requesting this if your a gun for hire, karma? Superstition?

 

[8Lou1]

well in my experience the occult flow in combination with the internet makes people do strange things and more and more people are seeing it too. kids dancing tru wifi as if its nothing and it used to be hidden knowhow. so i dont know, but i think thats in short the discussion.
karma, superstition, fake it till you make it, living a lie. so in short you need a calculator to get to an answer that might be tru. what i mean is get different peer reviews and combine and abstract a new conclusion that doesnt have to be tru as noone knows if the starting points were tru to begin with. so in essence the question then becomes a godthing as humanity doesnt know at this point in time.

what that creates is the freedom of believe, the freedom to say it and share it and the freedom to use it. and there is power in all of it, even in denying it.

with the addendum that if and when it would be a gun for hire i would have asked money for it not pay for it. but maybe thats just IT, being a mirror to humanity...

 

[Mad-dog]

Depends on if the magician needs to dottier own work, and if they are working with spirits. A full name may not be mandatory, but an energetic link might be helpful. TGK is a man with a good reputation imo. Nate Bales is another that I could trust. More expensive however.

Isnt the only magick the magick with entities cause everything else is elemental which effects another via telepathy

 

[funkeeman]

So I went online to check out the work of this one practitioner who says he is into asmodius..
He stated to have an altar, connects with the demon in the dark, sounds like the real deal and I would get photo of the work in the end..

Depends on if the magician needs to dottier own work, and if they are working with spirits. A full name may not be mandatory, but an energetic link might be helpful. TGK is a man with a good reputation imo. Nate Bales is another that I could trust. More expensive however.

So I went online to check out the work of this one practitioner who says he is into asmodeus..well at first they said they worked with entities..no mention of asmodeus., and He stated to have an altar, connects with him the dark, sounded like the real deal and I would get photo of the work in the end..he said of course...but then I get this loooong email about what happened, cold, dark etc and a photo of a ghost head etc..wtf! was I ripped off? you tell me guys!

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

Who was the practitioner, if thats okay to ask? I would stick to the vendors here. The LHP has a lot of cool photos, but you can get messed up in several ways dealing with some of the practitioners. Or posting the email content so we can help you better?

 

[Mad-dog]

So I went online to check out the work of this one practitioner who says he is into asmodius..
He stated to have an altar, connects with the demon in the dark, sounds like the real deal and I would get photo of the work in the end..

So I went online to check out the work of this one practitioner who says he is into asmodeus..well at first they said they worked with entities..no mention of asmodeus., and He stated to have an altar, connects with him the dark, sounded like the real deal and I would get photo of the work in the end..he said of course...but then I get this loooong email about what happened, cold, dark etc and a photo of a ghost head etc..wtf! was I ripped off? you tell me guys!

After speaking to etsy they warned that people rather complained that many fraudulent accounts exist such as africa, Asia (india etc) and they try getting suckers unto whatsapp, western union, basically outside of etsy, paypal….i also discovered that many people complained about been hexed themselves by ppl who pretend to confuse the target with the client then offer cleansing for more money…i had one friends in a mess like this as well ..so never share your real name, credit card etc, there are ways…

 

[funkeeman]

Who was the practitioner, if thats okay to ask? I would stick to the vendors here. The LHP has a lot of cool photos, but you can get messed up in several ways dealing with some of the practitioners. Or posting the email content so we can help you better?

Not sure if your asking me about the amsodius guy or the OP...
I thought to reply to both
Base don my experience I believe to have more then enough proof that african and Asian fraudsters, christian evangelist nutties or shenanigan teenagers infested the occult online, mainly Jesus freaks beyond repair...I myself was raised christian, baptised and all but no way out and about trying to find black magicians to hurt them or someone for thrills., as long as they or anyone does not mess with me I dont care what people choose to do, so I guess what ii am saying is find people in person...

Here is an example, Etsy.....
This guy claimed to be an Indian temple practitioner located in Bhubaneswar India.., the oldest temples!
Everything on his site looked legit, things he said, how he will work, has allot like 2500 sales!

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suddenly you cant pay the guy, no one could for years in fact, so how does a psychic or occult practitioner remain on a website like ETSY that is notorious for been so unfair to hand made store owners yet he remains online with no PayPal or credit card info...how if he is paying no fee??? or maybe we all now know that etsy is using poor AI and bots to determine who is a best seller based on hits or what if no sales?
so I thought maybe he is the real deal, at least the customer's comments suggest.... right?
Again no PayPal no credit cards.

Well he gives me bank details which are a violation on ETSY, the bank is WISE gives clients free credit cards and has very tiny fees for transfers from any credit card, but there you go, it was the alternative to western union yet this seller on etsy refuses to accept any payment via etsy, pays no fees to etsy and operates a business full time?

So I googled up the info he shared,
irst name- Ankit
Middle name - kumar
Last name- Yadav

Email I’d - blackandblood00@ ---
Mobile number- +91- 9437659279
Street address - Unit 8
City - Bhubaneswar
State - Odisha / Orissa
Zip code - 751002
Bank name - Federal Bank
Account no - 55550102319165
IFSC code- FDRL0005555

Purpose will be - family relationship
Date:

I then find out his actual legally used name, court cases online for defrauding people via the internet...

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this is what I am talking about here.
His addresses was even faker.

Now for anyone into Amsodius there are many but I yet to find anyone on lime, especially on etsy who is genuine..
there is one women in Holland that is good, she has an etsy store and a YouTube channel., other then this I myself only had some contact with people who tried working with asmodius practitioners, all of them claim almsodius does not want them taking photos of the rituals they did for customers...customers want to see photos right? iam not at all a practitioner of asmodius so I never spoke to asmodius or anyone who did directly to confirm if photos are punishable base don treaties of some sort lol but on etsy there are tons

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[DiLoco_DelEted]

Yeah, looks and sounds like a scam.

 

[funkeeman]

Yeah, looks and sounds like a scam.

you expect bad English but when you see someone from California with bad asian or african English you know its a scam.
I went through one a girl complained to me about, the practitioner even had a instagram account..I was like no way...photos of her posing with cleavage and all..sure enough I found more IG accounts and after contacting the real her she was freaked out, I also found Patti Negri and many more fakes that Patti freaked out about as they went on charging people money for readings, even curses!

But the etsy ones are the worse, this one coupe (lesbian) broke up and the client said her girlfriend was coerced, she even has a history of police complaints which failed to restrain her girlfriends ex who simply intimidated her into moving in with him..im sure we all want proof of things like this but lets take this with the grain of salt and just leave it as said, she then told me she tried a occult practitioner on etsy who took all their photos and names and claimed she will get her away from this guy, using white magic ...ok

The photo of the ritual she sent back showed this girl with her girlfriends ex boyfriend lol, and she added things like you will be with this guy by the next new moon, magic takes time, give it (long enough so PayPal wont refund you time) and it might not work if you DONT BELIEVE IT WILL.

talk about scam!

BTW this guy works with audio sounds to complete a ritual

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I got the photo too, it shows a girl (face was blurred out) and this guy next to an ash tray filled with oregano and dry lemon peels, in the real practitioners site she had Orishas, all kinds of animal offerings, stuff like that, so I was very surprised how bad things are..

Now you guys all mention some people here been into LHP, this and that, and that you get messed up, what do you mean by this?

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

Well, for starters I was talked into pacts with two entities I hadn't really thought about, I honestly was looking at the levels of Princes and Kings.
Anyway, there was that. When I started doing qlippothic evocations in my bedroom back in 2016, and what I mean by evocation was me chanting a mantra by candlelight and incense smoke. Pictures showed orbs of light the size of a baseball. I really wasn't thinking at all. Would have auditory and visual hallucinations regularly, was diagnosed with both Borderline Personality Disorder and Schizo-Affective Disorder. My former teacher even tried to warn me and I disregarded it. In the end, there is nothing in darkness but the darkness itself.
I can't be any more frank than that.

 

[KjEno186]

Now you guys all mention some people here been into LHP, this and that, and that you get messed up, what do you mean by this?

I'm reminded of a joke...

An engineer, a physicist, and a mathematician were on a train heading north, and had just crossed the border into Scotland.​

• The engineer looked out of the window and said "Look! Scottish sheep are black!"
• The physicist said, "No, no. Some Scottish sheep are black."
• The mathematician looked irritated. "There is at least one field, containing at least one sheep, of which at least one side is black."

We have books which explain the LHP in the forum library, and Don Webb's book, Uncle Setnakt's Essential Guide to the Left Hand Path, is quite good (and can be found on archive dot org easily enough). This being an open forum, anyone can post opinions which might only conform to their own very subjective reality.

1. In one person's subjective reality, the LHP is the source of all "evil" and RHP is automagically "good."
2. In another person's subjective reality, Desire is the root of suffering, and The Path, Right or Left, is a choice between reunification with the Divine (submission) or continued separation from it (freedom).
3. Anecdotes are not data, but they often make entertaining stories.

As for the topic, I'm going to pull one example of a working performed to help other people from Don Webb's How to Become a Modern Magus:

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Talisman Frame Rite​

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Talismans can work either with or without the knowledge of the human you can create them for. You may do this either as a gift, a barter, or a commercial enterprise—if it is the latter you should be mindful of the laws where you live. The basic steps that should be followed are in normal print, whereas my example pertains to a particular consecration and appears in italics.​

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Determine need. Len and Carol have been in four major traffic accidents (two each) over the past two years. Carol asked if I could “Do something.” Carol is vaguely a witch; Len is a lapsed Catholic. The first thing I asked was if I could ride somewhere with each. I wanted to know if it was lack of attention, bad driving habits, or just ill luck. I noted that both of them tended to not plan their routes or suddenly changed their plans. Len was sixty; Carol was in her midforties. Both drove sober, and both tended to have accidents in daylight, under good road conditions, but in the most dangerous traffic areas.​

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Determine SWOT (Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities, Threats). Magic is uncertain; treat it like a business plan when possible. Strengths: My friends live longer and are (possibly) grateful for my work. Weaknesses: My friends become even more careless in their driving or blame accidents on me. Opportunities: I can teach them to be more mindful in their driving if I include activities for them to do. Threats: Doing magic for friends can make them dependent or cause them to spread wild rumors about you.​

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Decide what effect is sought. I want to make them more mindful about driving and create a magical shield of beneficial probability around both of them. It should not require my magical energy to work after the initial consecration.​

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Obtain a material basis for the talisman. I went to a local thrift store. I purchased an old St. Christopher medal for Len and a small toy Model-T for Carol.​

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Note what he wrote: "Magic is uncertain." Don Webb is explaining how something apparently as simple as creating a talisman could go wrong even with friends. I think even legitimate online practitioners are aware of the fickle nature of things. Asking for a name from their potential customers could be seen as a protection from anonymous troublemakers posing as customers.

 

[funkeeman]

Well, for starters I was talked into pacts with two entities I hadn't really thought about, I honestly was looking at the levels of Princes and Kings.
Anyway, there was that. When I started doing qlippothic evocations in my bedroom back in 2016, and what I mean by evocation was me chanting a mantra by candlelight and incense smoke. Pictures showed orbs of light the size of a baseball. I really wasn't thinking at all. Would have auditory and visual hallucinations regularly, was diagnosed with both Borderline Personality Disorder and Schizo-Affective Disorder. My former teacher even tried to warn me and I disregarded it. In the end, there is nothing in darkness but the darkness itself.
I can't be any more frank than that.

I cam onboard here after reading some reddit comments about occult practitioners on etsy and orbs, I have some $20 aliexpress ip wifi cameras here that see in the dark and I catch many orbs using these cameras, either when the rooms are empty or while connected to powerbanks in places like basements or over ritual work people have done, one of the most intriguing things I see orbs do is go through walls, I see them leaving peoples rooms and those people fallowing them as if they are their thoughts or guided blindly by them..I caught things been knocked over, kids hypnotised with eyes rolled back and dancing dizzy...I showed these videos to many different people, I can see some did not believe me while others will say clean up your home or its an animal spirit cause you live in the rural area with a lake or a building with many neighbours..

What sucks is we cant discuss all this online as everything we say and do is not private, filtered and even removed on certain sites so we cant actually learn more unless you meet in groups etc

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

Well, there is one on one coaching in the Market area.

 

[8Lou1]

mmm, lately a lot of subjects are being portrayed as not suitable for the internet. i know AI's to be racist cunts and more so who knows what kind of dipshit programmer thought orbs are not to be talked about and why. that being said, after years of making a stand for freedom online, one can get tired. for fun i thought you know lets help some people without all the fuss and just be a normy for a while online. ever searched for clothes online? i dont know which freaking f@cktard thought up the racial card in womens clothing, but damn. big sizes are for black women, skinny pants are white chicks, over 50 well you better go buy a coffin, etc.

so since you are also saying you bought some stuff on aliexpress, just like the rest of the world btw, and i just got a new account there to look at stuff like one would on pinterest, one notices the difference in approaching gold/diamond members and new members. ( 1 being the most shittiest edited pictures ever to lure the newby)

etsy probably has similar bots and dataminers, but economically speaking has a pro: its not openly china, so we like etsy more. for me both are just umbrellas for little sellers who often have no clue about the internet, which is phine..

so in a hypothetical queste about abuse of power by people in the IT world it seems that the beast won again and copy pasted our most evil and dark stuff into bots, ai's, etc. so flying orbs? probably bots that have become external due to normies not knowing adblocker and how advertising is based on all levels of our beast, but still mostly sex.

what i often do after such a joyous event on a big shopping site is go to yah average porn site and let them fill the orbs.
data miners are annoying and should be given a cookie of their own.

 

[Mad-dog]

i know there is an discussion in islam, where people debate whether a name is needed at all. lots of people who believe in folklore call using names therefor haram/forbidden. i for myself have no clue, other then that there is a difference in things in the sense that a soul doesnt always respond to the bodies name.

for me it makes sense that when you do a working for someone as your job and you dont agree on it, but you still have to do it as its your job, yes then it makes sense you also put the name of the one who ordered it, up. in a more positive way of thinking one would say he gave the contractor the honors.

Nah., your hired to curse someone because you can make contact with an entity (example, kodem, jinn, gholl, demons) and your expertise (able to control them with out been tricked, possesed) is what your hired for, you dont need to dig up who hired you, why, when, for what? Dont offer the service if you cant do it, or dont want to cause how you feel or if its something harming your own communities, belief system or practices., its funny how anyone hired would ask info about the problem at all rather then just deciding if the target is ok and not someone innocent been bullied etc, even then its the worker‘s decision and karma Or they have no reason to check for themselves.

And btw., the only reason one would ask for the name is for love spells, break up spells but even then one can put a temporary block on a person (example voodoo) where they cant get an erection or if female they cant get pregnant or even wet.. with out the name of the person that hired them…other then this gathering a name, locating the client is all about christain conformity, targeting their beliefs, bad karma in the end to do so cause you inherent their problem not solve it by imposing beliefs or seeking to punish.

in judaism its written to kill everyone into witchcraft, in early catholic and later christain movements they adapted the witch shaming and witch hunts, islam may seem more open to jinns then scared but even muslims frown at the idea of witchcraft because most things people use it to cheat others instead of self-defense, instead of justice, even with justice systems so broken down around the world we all think witchcraft is hurting people..so we went considered the bible, Ten Commandments etc everyone here would be put to death in public .

What do some women do when they’re backed against the wall after being raped by someone who escaped justice and keeps doing it Because they still get away with it., so many reasons witchcraft or jinn work becomes a resort that it makes one think the only reason anyone is threatened by it is because they are evil themselves and fear retribution.

 

[8Lou1]

i have a more of a patient relation with witchcraft then a doctor relation, so let me sip in the version you proposing cause it makes sense.
ive also been almost death several times, so for me such things go beyond and evil things like rape dont always seem evil due to it. retribution or real life lessons and what have nots. when i go the most normal route i can handle, i understand totally that these things are wrong, but being a victim of way worse then rape i can tell you that the idea of a returning memory can make one hate witchcraft/healing/goodness/etc. but its better then fear.

life is harsh and people are blind to it. and sometimes thats for the best.