Why can't astrologers calculate the date of someone's death?

[Johny111]

I must emphasize that I have only a basic knowledge of astrology, but I know many people who practice astrology, both amateur and professional. Some of them are so good that they can calculate the approximate time of someone's birth even if the person seeking their advice does not know the exact time of their birth. Some of these astrologers can have extraordinary insight into the circumstances of someone's life and make relevant conclusions regarding the future fate of that person. However, none of these astrologers have been able to determine, if not the exact, then at least the approximate date of someone's death. If you, as an astrologer, are already able to calculate the exact (or approximate) date of someone's birth, then what is the problem with calculating the date of someone's death? Doctors can sometimes predict the duration of the remaining life of a person with cancer, but astrologers, who often claim that astrology is a science, cannot do that. Why?

 

[Adelina]

If you don't know something, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Surely it is much easier to rectify the time of birth, because mistake isn't so obvious, which is suitable for psychologists masking themselves as astrologers.

It is much harder to predict death just like it is much harder to predict future than to "predict" past.

But methods are out there.

 

[Johny111]

But methods are out there.

I would like to share your optimism, but so far I have not come across a single astrologer who is able to determine the date of someone's death, nor am I sure that anyone has invented a method for that purpose.

 

[beardedeldridge]

Astrology isn’t fate and it’s best used to understand those forces that are affecting an individual or event not necessarily the actual outcome. And those forces aren’t the only ones affecting an individual. The ole the timing is favorable for this endeavor not that it’s guaranteed to be a success. Now I’ve never watched someone reverse calculate a date of birth, will have to give that some thought.

After all, impending financial/medical/relationship hardships ahead mean very different things for different people.

Fun thought: I think I know the year of my death but not sure it does me any good. Best case scenario, I’m right and my last thoughts as this life fades away are “nailed it”.

-Eld

 

[Johny111]

Fun thought: I think I know the year of my death but not sure it does me any good. Best case scenario, I’m right and my last thoughts as this life fades away are “nailed it”.

Every January 1st, I think about how the coming year is the year I will die. Then I try to negotiate and bargain with death.

 

[DeTerminator]

I've been a student of astrology for many years. I can give you my own ideas on your question, based on that. Some of those ideas align with what has already been mentioned. Astrology is, among other things, a way of measuring different energies and their timing. It's about using symbols for energy. How an energy is manifested is not definite, as has been mentioned. There can be an infinite numbers of ways for energy to materialize, and those ways are in a state of flux. We can't always see all the details involved when using astrology to predict an outcome. There might be a few indicators that collaborate to support a possible outcome, however, nothing is written in stone as far as the future goes. As mentioned, it is fairly easy to look at the past and see the astrological reasoning for events. Not so easy to say a specific energy will manifest itself in one certain way.

Rectifying a person's natal chart, or adjusting a birth time that is fairly close but unknown, is based partly on looking at the events of a person's past to adjust the timing of their birth. First it is good to be in the ball park though.

Astrology can indicate the likelihood for an event to occur, or be used to plan future events., among other things. Predicting the time of a person's death can carry with it a serious responsibility, and that could possibly be withheld from those that aren't up to that responsibility,

 

[MagickalStudent569]

I must emphasize that I have only a basic knowledge of astrology, but I know many people who practice astrology, both amateur and professional. Some of them are so good that they can calculate the approximate time of someone's birth even if the person seeking their advice does not know the exact time of their birth. Some of these astrologers can have extraordinary insight into the circumstances of someone's life and make relevant conclusions regarding the future fate of that person. However, none of these astrologers have been able to determine, if not the exact, then at least the approximate date of someone's death. If you, as an astrologer, are already able to calculate the exact (or approximate) date of someone's birth, then what is the problem with calculating the date of someone's death? Doctors can sometimes predict the duration of the remaining life of a person with cancer, but astrologers, who often claim that astrology is a science, cannot do that. Why?

They can or at least good ones can. Western Astrology is very very sketchy to me at best. People trying to divorce it from religion, mysticism, spirituality of it's roots so as to combine with other pseudo-sciences such as psychology is strange to me. Mostly because it assumes it's not really a real force that exerts pressure on peoples lives and is only something in their mind. Yet statistically we known that violent murders go up during full moons as well affect the tides. We are made up of mostly water yet somehow a force that affects most of the other water sources on the planet shouldn't be affecting us? I just cannot rationalize how someone else can rationalize that. It beggars belief.

Vedic Astrologers can and do predict things among which is death. How to measure their accuracy though is something I cannot answer. Perhaps a site like RateMDs or something but for astrologers might help? The less people take it seriously the greater the amount of low quality will flourish. I can't speak for all astrologers but I have some family acquaintances that had their marriage and career charts done before their arranged marriages along with when they are born. Their lives more or less went smoothly and they seemed pretty happy with the results. They said someone with their own family knew someone in India and they had been going to that person for years. I know it's anecdotal but I've never heard anyone in the West sing praises of the astrologers here with the same respect.

I also have a bit of personal story that ties into my life long interest in Astrology. That being I've always been interested in it since as far back as when I first learned to read. I always gravitated towards the Occult, Meta-Physical, Paranormal sections of the bookstore when I was taken as a child. Long story short though, it turns out the grandfather I never knew that died when I was growing up, was also a Astrologer himself. According to my Dad and Aunt (His Sister) he taught himself Vedic Astrology and Palmistry from some old books he found. They never said where he found them but he did somewhere. He was a Professor of History with a degree from Oxford so it's possible he learned from there... Regardless he started doing both on the side in edition to teaching. I'm not sure how successful he was at it but my Aunt claims many people came to him. She also said one time he even predicted someone's death and that they died more or less how he said on the day he said. How the person died was quite sad, as apparently the family did not listen, doing exactly what he said not to do. So I know for a fact it is possible at least when it comes to Vedic Astrology.

 

[AbammonTheGreat]

Astrology isn’t fate and it’s best used to understand those forces that are affecting an individual or event not necessarily the actual outcome. And those forces aren’t the only ones affecting an individual. The ole the timing is favorable for this endeavor not that it’s guaranteed to be a success. Now I’ve never watched someone reverse calculate a date of birth, will have to give that some thought.

After all, impending financial/medical/relationship hardships ahead mean very different things for different people.

Fun thought: I think I know the year of my death but not sure it does me any good. Best case scenario, I’m right and my last thoughts as this life fades away are “nailed it”.

-Eld

I would like to point out that this is an incredibly modern perspective on astrology. The idea of the planets representing archetypal forces of the personality and interpersonal reactions with the cosmos, that these forces are elastic, malleable and highly adaptive to the individual's "will" or control is not the astrology that has been practiced for thousands of years. And while there have always been detractors amongst occultists to the reality of the fatalistic nature of the planets (Agrippa being one of the shining examples of someone who went against the astrological community by declaring the fatalistic aspect of astrology was superstition) that the reality of astrology outside of modern natal astrology is that they are entirely tied to a concept of fate. And the fates are an idea or concept we have held in great importance for the majority of our history, the dissolution of fate as a governing principle of men comes on the tail-end of the individuation of the western man. It is a post-industrial symptom as we have further divorced ourselves from a union with the will of God, with the fates, in favor of the exaltation of the self and individual as laid out by the enlightenment philosophy.

"...as god of fire and spirit, crafted seven governors; they encompass the sensible world in circles, and their government is called fate..." - Hermes Trismegistus; The Divine Poimandres 1:9

The astrologer, as a hermetic scientist works with a deeply engrained belief in fate. If we look at astrological readings as divination, that IS what we are doing when we try to predict an outcome, it should be a reflective tool to access our latent psychic and intuitive faculty. The planets provide the dataset in which we are given access to information that exists in an entanglement beyond a linear experience. Their movement across the heavens is a reminder of our experience of linear time in our physical incarnation, but it is not the reality of time. Our ability to reach across the chaos matrix to extrapolate predictive information is directly correlated to our experience in magical practice.

Now the modern astrologer may have difficulty predicting events, because they have been filtered through a pragmatic type of cosmic psychoanalysis that is elastic and malleable, they are not using the tool the same way a spirit conjurer or a medium would use their tool to access that same information. And if we can accept the reality in magic, that spirits and visions can provide us with forecasts of future events; then if we reframe divination through astrology with its original intent as a dataset for events that have happened but we have no consciously experienced in this point in spacetime, then we can start to use astrology as the great astrologers of our tradition did. In its original divinatory, predictive, and magical hermetic framework. Away from the influence of Jungian psychoanalysis which more seeks to diagnose the interpersonal... we have alchemy for that.