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Why don't people protest for the pursuit of biological immortality, free cryonics, and the acceleration of medical research, even though it would lead to people no longer dying?
Sometimes people are convinced that nothing can be changed and that science is useless. They believe that the idea of science finding solutions is akin to religion or esotericism. In the book Harry Potter, Immortality, and the Conspiracy of Psychiatrists, there is an example where people persuade psychiatrists to share such opinions (without revealing their profession or the purpose of their statements) with those who disagree with them. I’d like to hear your thoughts on the reasons behind such a situation. Perhaps someone knows an explanation as to why there are still no rallies for immortality?
Discussions only on the appropriate section: Book Discussion and Reviews
Also, this thread may not be allowed there since the book in question seems to not be occult in nature, nor it's subjects of discussion.
Consider yourself warned verbally.
Discussions only on the appropriate section: Book Discussion and Reviews
Also, this thread may not be allowed there since the book in question seems to not be occult in nature, nor it's subjects of discussion.
Consider yourself warned verbally.
Warned and moved to Controversy. The 'book' was apparently written to illustrate the point the member wishes to make; it was not an occult book, not even Harry Potter fanfic.
Why don't people protest for the pursuit of biological immortality, free cryonics, and the acceleration of medical research, even though it would lead to people no longer dying?
Sometimes people are convinced that nothing can be changed and that science is useless. They believe that the idea of science finding solutions is akin to religion or esotericism. In the book Harry Potter, Immortality, and the Conspiracy of Psychiatrists, there is an example where people persuade psychiatrists to share such opinions (without revealing their profession or the purpose of their statements) with those who disagree with them. I’d like to hear your thoughts on the reasons behind such a situation. Perhaps someone knows an explanation as to why there are still no rallies for immortality?
How many people can you think of whose endless existence would be a real benefit to either others or themselves? I think that a lot of folks subliminally sense this: we're most of us not worthy of immortality. I bet it's hell, trying to end a party you attend. "Who could possibly get tired of me?"
Besides, if one practices the right magick, he stands a chance of remanifestation as something other and better than this self he put on for a season. But he has to die to do that? There's an old movie, The Wind and the Lion. Sean Connery's character Raisuli has been trying to overthrow the King of Morocco and, in the end fails. His sidekick is whinging to him, "Raisuli, we have lost everything...everything." The Raisuli answers, "My friend, are you so impoverished that you cannot bear even that?" Then after a pause both start laughing. (fade to dark) Moral: the only folks who deserve immortality are those not desperate to live forever.
Why don't people protest for the pursuit of biological immortality, free cryonics, and the acceleration of medical research, even though it would lead to people no longer dying?
Effective protesting usually means getting hurt. Nobody is going to volunteer to be gassed and beaten so the Rothschild family can live for eons while us plebes suffer and die.
In New York City, a black fetus has a higher chance of being aborted than born, and those tissues go toward researching regenerative medicines so expensive you aren't allowed to know they exist.
As soon as 7.5 billion people realize a few dozen people are getting longevity or some similar benefit derived from the bodies of their sacrificed children, people would be protesting the existence of the drugs rather than their lack of development.
Effective protesting usually means getting hurt. Nobody is going to volunteer to be gassed and beaten so the Rothschild family can live for eons while us plebes suffer and die.
In New York City, a black fetus has a higher chance of being aborted than born, and those tissues go toward researching regenerative medicines so expensive you aren't allowed to know they exist.
As soon as 7.5 billion people realize a few dozen people are getting longevity or some similar benefit derived from the bodies of their sacrificed children, people would be protesting the existence of the drugs rather than their lack of development.
Pretty well said, so long as one adds the caveat that both the 7.5 billion (8.2 according to what I just googled) and the "few dozen" are insupportable burdens for the planet, though for slightly different reasons.
How many people can you think of whose endless existence would be a real benefit to either others or themselves? I think that a lot of folks subliminally sense this: we're most of us not worthy of immortality. I bet it's hell, trying to end a party you attend. "Who could possibly get tired of me?"
Besides, if one practices the right magick, he stands a chance of remanifestation as something other and better than this self he put on for a season. But he has to die to do that? There's an old movie, The Wind and the Lion. Sean Connery's character Raisuli has been trying to overthrow the King of Morocco and, in the end fails. His sidekick is whinging to him, "Raisuli, we have lost everything...everything." The Raisuli answers, "My friend, are you so impoverished that you cannot bear even that?" Then after a pause both start laughing. (fade to dark) Moral: the only folks who deserve immortality are those not desperate to live forever.
Effective protesting usually means getting hurt. Nobody is going to volunteer to be gassed and beaten so the Rothschild family can live for eons while us plebes suffer and die.
In New York City, a black fetus has a higher chance of being aborted than born, and those tissues go toward researching regenerative medicines so expensive you aren't allowed to know they exist.
As soon as 7.5 billion people realize a few dozen people are getting longevity or some similar benefit derived from the bodies of their sacrificed children, people would be protesting the existence of the drugs rather than their lack of development.
I don’t think it really matters who is worthy. It’s not like everyone should die just because they believe no one is needed by anyone.
Such medicines will be produced for everyone.
Just like how cheap generic versions of Ozempic are now being made in India and China.
A few thousand years after everyone stops aging, we could pass a law allowing families to have only one child. Just like they did in China. After that, the population would only double.
Poverty isn’t caused by overpopulation. It’s due to low levels of production. And low production is often a result of traditions. For example, the U.S. has long had a tradition of entrepreneurship and has high level of production. This means production can be increased. And when people stop dying, they’ll retain their skills for work and be able to accumulate money.
1 US 25.32% World GDP, 5x growth over the past 35 years
2 China 17.86% World GDP, x57 growth over the past 35 years
3 Japan 4.21% World GDP, x1.35 growth over the past 35 years
It would be possible to hold rallies in the USA. It’s easiest to organize them there. Then the results of these rallies could spread worldwide, and other countries would adopt them.
It’s just harsh that the topic of biological immortality is being largely ignored.
What do you think—should we organize rallies in the U.S. and demand answers from the government about why nothing is being done? Many people believe that governments should be the ones to take the initiative first.
We could gather a rally of 100,000 people in the U.S. and demand answers from the government. Organize a concert with famous performers—such an event would attract a large audience.
And there, we could say the following:
Free cryonics: Scientists say this could save everyone’s life, prevent illness and aging. No one knows of any reason why it wouldn’t work. In fact, it seems highly likely to work because medicine keeps improving. We need to preserve deceased individuals in liquid nitrogen so they can potentially be revived when medicine advances enough to make revival, healing, and rejuvenation possible.
Accelerating medical development: Currently, only 0.3% of GDP is spent on medical research. In comparison, 18% of GDP is spent on healthcare.
Permission for OrganEx to revive conscious pigs: For three years, they have been denied permission to conduct such experiments. If successful, this could enable reviving people several hours after death and might eventually allow revival after cryonics. Currently, pigs are fully revived under anesthesia several hours after death but are euthanized without being brought to consciousness because the necessary permissions haven’t been granted.
Demanding answers: Why is the government acting passively and allowing people to keep dying? Churches, demographers, and economists don’t oppose what’s outlined here. Do you have an objective reason to dismiss this, or just excuses?
Such a massive rally would gain media attention, forcing the government to respond.
When thousands of scientists write petitions, no one answers because the issue isn’t considered "popular enough" to warrant a reply.
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I asked ChatGPT how such rallies could be organized.
How much money is approximately needed to organize concerts and rallies to
gather 100,000 people at rallies in the US? Famous music bands are required
since the rally is not popular.
Organizing concerts and rallies to attract 100,000 people in the US is a complex and
costly endeavor, especially if the rally topic is not popular. Here's an approximate
breakdown of expenses:
1. Venue Rental
For 100,000 people, large stadiums or parks are required.
Stadium rental cost: $500,000–$1,000,000.
Park or open space rental (including permits and cleanup): $100,000–$500,000.
2. Famous Music Bands
Headliners for concerts, such as popular rock or pop bands, demand significant fees.
Performance fees per event:
Superstars (e.g., BTS, Beyoncé): $1,000,000–$5,000,000.
Popular bands (e.g., Imagine Dragons): $500,000–$1,000,000.
Less famous artists: $50,000–$200,000.
To attract a large audience, it’s recommended to invite several groups, increasing the
total cost.
3. Technical Support
Stage, sound, lighting, screens, equipment: $500,000–$1,500,000.
Installation and dismantling: $100,000–$300,000.
4. Permits and Security
Licenses and permits from authorities: $50,000–$200,000.
Security, police, medical staff: $100,000–$500,000.
5. Advertising and Promotion
To attract 100,000 people, wide-reaching advertising is essential:
Social media: $50,000–$200,000.
Traditional media (TV, radio, billboards): $100,000–$500,000.
Collaboration with influencers could cost an additional $50,000–$300,000.
6. Logistics
Transport, parking, and cleanup: $100,000–$300,000.
Food and drinks (if provided): $500,000–$1,000,000.
7. Contingency Costs
Always allocate an additional 10–20% of the budget for unforeseen expenses.
Total Estimate:
The total cost for such an event could range from $3,000,000 to $10,000,000 or more,
depending on the scale, the number of invited stars, the level of advertising, and other
factors.
If the rally topic is truly unpopular, the following will be necessary:
Invest heavily in top performers to draw the audience.
Strengthen marketing efforts to clearly communicate the event’s purpose.
For a more precise estimate, factors like the location (e.g., costs in New York are sig-
nificantly higher than in smaller cities) and the potential involvement of sponsors or
partners, who could reduce expenses, need to be taken into account.
But since you don't matter, that isn't your call. It's not mine either, because I am also one of the people who don't matter. You're not going to ever get to a point where Pharaoh gives a crap about what you think or want.
It's worth mentioning here that Ozempic has some strong critics who suggest that it's probably pretty bad for you. Of course, they're not to be taken seriously, so feel free to listen to what the multibillion dollar advertising campaign tells you about it.
There are a few genetic bottlenecks in human history, times when the entire global human population was reduced to as few as 1000 breeding pairs. It's most likely that these are associated with geological or atmospheric disasters, but there's a nagging part of me that sees these events as possibly indicative of periods of longevity in our species.
I suggest asking some Chinese expats about that one-child policy and other CCP initiatives, and whether they would recommend adopting that kind of government for the rest of the world.
Yeah good luck with that. You appear to be under the illusion that you can organically raise money and create public events to shape national policy. It doesn't work like that. It's the opposite. They cook up the policy, they hire the buses full of protesters, and they force you to accept what they've decided. It's a big fat lie, all of it. What you think is grassroots social movements, is a mega-funded campaign of propaganda. You aren't part of it, your protests will never happen no matter how much money you try to raise. All your precious celebrities are just soldiers in this, they do what they're told to do because their whole existence has strings attached, most of them hanging by those strings over a fire.
You cannot develop mass support for anything unless it's what Pharaoh already wants. You will be stopped. If you persist, you will be destroyed. It cannot be let to happen. You need another tactic.
Capitalist fairy tales begin with "Once Upon a Time."
Communist fairy tales begin with "Someday There Will Be."
Cryonics is just mummification 2.0. Three thousand years from now, you're just a chunk of no-longer-frozen DNA. At best you get cloned. Want that? Clones are not immortality.
Like the Chinese or the DPRK or the Iranians give a crap about what's allowed. Chinese doctors in Cameroon would be working night and day on the stuff. If it works, it's being done somewhere, guaranteed. If it doesn't work, it's just another way to fleece hopeful investors.
Demanding answers: Why is the government acting passively and allowing people to keep dying? Churches, demographers, and economists don’t oppose what’s outlined here. Do you have an objective reason to dismiss this, or just excuses?
Have you not noticed the enormous propaganda campaign against population growth lately? Abortion, homosexuality, transgenderism, vaccine initiatives, rising expense for families, etc. The governments around the world are doing everything they can to prevent us from becoming a burden to the big money people by having too many of us exist. They don't want us living forever, they don't even want us having extra spending capital. They want us to be servants who get replaced when we no longer do the work they want us to do. The reason they're not trying to let us live forever is the simple fact that they want us to die once we've served our purpose.
You ever try to get a group of people together for any reason other than instant gratification? Immorality still sounds like a sci-fi movie plot element that may or may not come to pass. People aren’t showing up in any real numbers or in smaller numbers for any length of time for the possibility of something that may not even happen in their lifetime.
*and even if it did happen, we’re all pretty sure immortality would be just hoarded by a few people in power anyway.
Why don't people protest for the pursuit of biological immortality, free cryonics, and the acceleration of medical research, even though it would lead to people no longer dying?
As people are living longer now than generations before us this already means the pension age is being pushed back and we have to work longer. Nicer and less dangerous work than our grandparents (for a lot of us at least) but never the less.
If you live forever then you can never retire, unless along with the problem of dying there also comes a solution for food etc.
This is a good video on the topic of those looking to break the curse of death:
