Claims Shem angels are not angels

[Lunarscorpio]

I stumbled across someone on Reddit claiming the 72 Angels of the Shem Hamephorash are not angels due to their attribution as Mercurial genii/spirits by Franz Bardon. The text will be pasted below. I am still new to the occult so I am easily spooked by certain concepts. If anyone has worked with the Shem angels, would this claim be true?

Spoiler: Claim

The 72 Shem HaMephorash “angels” are not angels, regardless of what your books or grimoires may tell you. These entities are, in fact, Mercurian arch geniuses. You can easily discover this by looking in Franz Bardon's The Practice of Magical Evocation book. These names are a one-to-one match. They are identical, even in order. Some spellings may be slightly off depending on the source. I’m only posting this because I have not seen this mentioned elsewhere, and even Google AI is pushing these things as energies instead of entities. I assure you, Google is wrong.

These entities should not be treated mildly and some of them are incredibly powerful. You should not try to evoke or invoke these things on a whim or for fun. They are not evil, but some of them are powerful enough where just them noticing you can physically affect you and even harm you. They do not behave like angels. They do not appear like angels. They are adamant they are not angels. Treating them as such, and trying to contact them assuming divine entities will not harm you because everywhere refers to them as “angels,” can lead to disaster.

The fact that these beings have been pushed this way is dangerous, and it should not be taken lightly. Even the concept of commanding or binding an angel into a circle (or whatever the hell you think you're going to do) is silly. But trying to contact these specific Mercurian genii, not understanding what they are, is like poking a cosmic bear that can warp spacetime. Some of them may ignore you, but others may not take kindly to intrusions at all, and you should not incorporate them into anything you are doing flippantly.

I'm not going to post screenshots. This is easily discoverable if you are truly interested. Find any list, or any book that names the 72 Shem HaMephorash “angels,” compare them with the 72 genii of the Mercurian Zone in Bardon’s work, and leave these things alone unless you absolutely know what you are doing.

That is all.

 

[Yazata]

I haven't read the book. But what if someone said Bardon's Mercurial arch genies aren't genies but Angels because the names are a 1 to 1 match?

 

[Lunarscorpio]

I haven't read the book. But what if someone said Bardon's Mercurial arch genies aren't genies but Angels because the names are a 1 to 1 match?

Right, the reasoning felt a bit off. And it could be UPG based off of other things the user posted. Hm.

 

[Faria]

I stumbled across someone on Reddit claiming the 72 Angels of the Shem Hamephorash are not angels

Bardon's "Mercurial Genie" thing, like the rest of his work, is made-up by Bardon and has no relevance outside of his work.

The 72 Shemhamforash seals come from Robert Ambelain's 1951 "Practical Kabbalah." His source for them (he claimed) is an 18th century book, combined with the text version (without the seals) in Lenain's "Arsenal Manuscript 2495." They appear in the Rudd variant Lemegeton as the back side of the demon seals, also 16th century.

In 1989, almost fifty years after publishing his book, Ambelain claimed that the seals in the book are evil and not angelic, owing to people using the book who became suicidal, went crazy, or got cancer.

The tradition of using the 72 names as divine or angelic names is at least 500 years old, maybe more.

I think that in a general sense if you attempt to invest your whole being into a spiritual path or practice, and yet it's full of holes and you don't know where the holes are, you're going to end up abused and confused by it. When weird things happen, you won't know why or what to do about it. I think that's what happened to Ambelain and his friends' misfortunes: they thought they were more competent than they really were. They wanted to think of themselves as clinging to the skirts of divine beings, and when any kind of hard-to-process reality hit them, they saw it as an effect of their esoteric work, and so made a point to attach those fearful superstitions to the sigils.