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Bardon's Bullshit 'Kabbalah'

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From Bardon's book-

The formula "Joe-Hoe-W" brings about perfect harmony in the mental, astral and material worlds, i.e., if used mentally, astrally and materially -- eucharistically -- which then must result in perfect health.

Must result in perfect health. lol How much clearer can it be? I picked one of the formulas dealing with health, there are others in his book. Bardon was quite unhealthy and if he hadn't committed suicide, he'd have died young anyway. So much for results. And Bardon did try to improve his health, to little effect (ie using spagyrics), so the idea that he didn't use his own system is nonsense.

What Bardon did was take the Hebrew out of the Sepher Yetzirah and then shoehorn the German alphabet into it (it's not a perfect correspondence but it's close enough). Then people call this 'hermetics'. It's somewhat odd, particularly if you study how these alphabets evolved.

Investigating it I could see there is some energy in the system, but no one has or ever will achieve a lot of the results claimed in his book. This is supposed to be the jewel of Bardon's long practices, but he couldn't even use it to heal himself. It can cause the practitioner to experience various 'divine' 'highs' (hence some of its reputation, outside of the fairy tales told about Bardon), but as an esoteric system to achieve the highest, it falls flat. As well the practical results claimed are nonsense, no one achieves most of them.
 

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From Bardon's book-

The formula "Joe-Hoe-W" brings about perfect harmony in the mental, astral and material worlds, i.e., if used mentally, astrally and materially -- eucharistically -- which then must result in perfect health.

Must result in perfect health. lol How much clearer can it be? I picked one of the formulas dealing with health, there are others in his book. Bardon was quite unhealthy and if he hadn't committed suicide, he'd have died young anyway. So much for results. And Bardon did try to improve his health, to little effect (ie using spagyrics), so the idea that he didn't use his own system is nonsense.
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Investigating it I could see there is some energy in the system, but no one has or ever will achieve a lot of the results claimed in his book. This is supposed to be the jewel of Bardon's long practices, but he couldn't even use it to heal himself. It can cause the practitioner to experience various 'divine' 'highs' (hence some of its reputation, outside of the fairy tales told about Bardon), but as an esoteric system to achieve the highest, it falls flat. As well the practical results claimed are nonsense, no one achieves most of them.
Pancreatitis sucks, and usually kills people. Thyroid issues suck. Physical trauma sucks.
Bardon dealt with all three during his time in prison.
I get it. You hate Bardon.
But I wonder how you, or most people in general would deal with all three while locked up.
 

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I believe Frabato actually spelled it at as "Quabbalah". Am I wrong?

I recall reading/hearing in various places that the Arizal had terrible health, but, like Bardon, he is quite fondly remembered by many. So, there's that.
 
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I get it. You hate Bardon.
lol, no you really don't get it. This is about assessing occult claims, not about personal animus.
But I wonder how you, or most people in general would deal with all three while locked up.
How is this relevant? He was sick before he was locked up. He made claims in his book that clearly don't hold water in what we call reality.
 

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With so many materials available about Kabbalah nowadays, it can be clearly seen that Bardon's book on "Quabbalah" is just some fruitless fantasies. Even the word itself he uses, "Quabbalah", speaks volumes. Why not at least "Qabbalah"?

Thing about Bardon's first book (on "Hermetics") is that it is actually very vague. One he starts going deeper into concretics, like with his book on Evocation, it can be seen that his approach is quite dubious and spurious. Just for example: he has 360 Spirits of the Zone Girdling the Earth taken directly from books of Abramelin, where those are given as the names of Demons, servants of Demon Kings (so much for "Divine Providence"). Now, with his third book on "Quabbalah"... Well, if someone truely wants to know what is Kabbalah, there are such brilliant books as those written by Jacobus Swart and many others. Even Dion Fortune is more knowledgable about it, and she is considered New Age.

Bardon's books are overhyped because they offer easy illusion of progress, tons of dubious and vague techniques (and some of them are actually quite harmful). I doubt anyone learning from Bardon's books can show off at least half of those miraculous feats which are described in those books.

Bardon was part of Quintscher's (whatever the spelling) little club of Adonists. Some books are available on German. This is basically complementary material to his first 2 books, together with books of Paschal. If to put all those together, it also doesn't add much, because most of the stuff in Adonism was totally invented and void in substance. Bardon's books only became popular, because most of the other occult books written in English in XX century sucked even more.

Bardon is classic example of XIX-XX century occultist - man who keeps smoking, drinking, eating various junk, being obese, oftentimes sitting on drugs and speaking about some kind of "spiritual development", "magic", "occult". I didn't want to sound too harsh, but life is way too short to spend it on books of someone who can't show even the slightest hint of having at least such semi-"miraculous" power as defeating his own bad habits. Allen Carr is by miles more powerful "occultist" than Bardon... Seriously.
 
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I practice Jewish/prophetic kabbalah via Sepher Yetzirah/Abulafia and I think Bardon was the only magician that taught a kabbalah close to the practical Jewish kabbalah. I was never fond of the lurianic, golden dawn, and derivative schools of thought that treated the tree is a magicians table. The real magic is in the permutation of the letters and those sephirot are dynamic. I think Bardons qabbalah was the closest coming from a magician.
 

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Why so many Bardon posts recently?
Good question and it deserves an answer. Forum etiquette basically. One thread was more intellectual about the system and the books. Another thread about the experiences people had working that system. And a thread from a disgruntled member who passionately dislikes that system. So out of respect for each perspective (thread), users made different threads that appear similar, but talk about different things. Keeps things clean in each thread discussion.
 
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And a thread from a disgruntled member who passionately dislikes that system.
If this is an instance of the forum intuition you were talking about then you need more practice. The only 'passion' involved on my end is that which insists on looking at the actual results of proposed occult practices.

Someone could decide to spend many years on this system due to the elevated promises of Bardon's third book, which include explicitly stating perfect health can be obtained. They may want to know ahead of time that Bardon himself was unable to use what he promised. There were also fables propagated about Bardon such as him being the reincarnation of Hermes Trigsmegistus, but examining the reality of his life gives a more grounded perspective on things.
 

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If this is an instance of the forum intuition you were talking about then you need more practice. The only 'passion' involved on my end is that which insists on looking at the actual results of proposed occult practices.

Someone could decide to spend many years on this system due to the elevated promises of Bardon's third book, which include explicitly stating perfect health can be obtained. They may want to know ahead of time that Bardon himself was unable to use what he promised. There were also fables propagated about Bardon such as him being the reincarnation of Hermes Trigsmegistus, but examining the reality of his life gives a more grounded perspective on things.
Fair enough, I’ll reframe what I said: "An overzealous take that insists on dominating the other Bardon thread. A perspective that simply can’t allow others to explore or believe differently without forcing a contrarian view onto their plate." Better?

See, my intuition was telling me from the beginning that this was sport for you, a game of tearing things down under the guise of “caring.” But it reads hollow, especially in hindsight.

So yeah, I should’ve trusted my gut. Good call out. I’m getting better already.
 
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Fair enough, I’ll reframe what I said: "An overzealous take that insists on dominating the other Bardon thread. A perspective that simply can’t allow others to explore or believe differently without forcing a contrarian view onto their plate." Better?

See, my intuition was telling me from the beginning that this was sport for you, a game of tearing things down under the guise of “caring.” But it reads hollow, especially in hindsight.

So yeah, I should’ve trusted my gut. Good call out. I’m getting better already.
I mean pat yourself on the back solipsistically all you want, but examining claims vs results is a smart thing to do.

When I first read Bardon's Key to the True Kabbalah I was amazed at the possibilities. I investigated it (including energetically) and learned more about Bardon's life and can say it was another occult disappointment. What right do you have to tell me I shouldn't be talking about this? lol

What you call 'dominating' the thread I call me having a clear, unassailable point regarding Bardon's own results. No one can dispute it, and that's the real problem here.
 

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I mean pat yourself on the back solipsistically all you want, but examining claims vs results is a smart thing to do.

When I first read Bardon's Key to the True Kabbalah I was amazed at the possibilities. I investigated it (including energetically) and learned more about Bardon's life and can say it was another occult disappointment. What right do you have to tell me I shouldn't be talking about this? lol

What you call 'dominating' the thread I call me having a clear, unassailable point regarding Bardon's own results. No one can dispute it, and that's the real problem here.
Lol the irony here is delicious, thank you for that. Also, you might want to slow your roll, and look up the definition of Solipsism. That word doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.

I 100% support your right to speak your experiences and thoughts on the forum. That was never the issue, its important to state that cleanly. I do not support you shitting on others views in the process. Your views are not 'right' and everyone elses views 'wrong' (solipsism). Nothing in this space is objectively true. Disagreement is fine, in fact its healthy. Debate is also fine and welcomed, no one has an issue with that. Telling others thier system is wrong? Nope. How far do you take that line of thinking? Your experience with seeing an alien as you described it, no one made a thread saying it was bullshit, no one told you you were deluded for believing it because it cant be proven, and THAT is the point. Others gave you the space to have your belief without making you feel bad for it. Lesson to be learned in that.

When I described you the way I did, I was basing that assessment (opinion) on your behaviors in that thread, and supported by most of your post history on this forum. You seem to be the contrarian most of the time, and that doesn't resonate very well with others (your message to reaction score shows that). So if your way of debating is trying to prove others wrong, don't be surprised when others push back.
 
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Lol the irony here is delicious, thank you for that. Also, you might want to slow your roll, and look up the definition of Solipsism. That word doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.
I was using solipsism flippantly, since you were proclaiming you had a psychic read on me, whereas you were just projecting your own thoughts and feelings.

I do not support you shitting on others views in the process. Your views are not 'right' and everyone elses views 'wrong' (solipsism). Nothing in this space is objectively true. Disagreement is fine, in fact its healthy. Debate is also fine and welcomed, no one has an issue with that. Telling others thier system is wrong?
lol what? So is it ok to point out Bardon's health versus Bardon's claims of perfect health (and sorry, that is objective) , or it isn't? It's black or white here. So, is it wrong to point it out or not? What kind of taboos should we all follow here so no one's feelings are hurt?

Nope. How far do you take that line of thinking? Your experience with seeing an alien as you described it, no one made a thread saying it was bullshit, no one told you you were deluded for believing it because it cant be proven, and THAT is the point. Others gave you the space to have your belief without making you feel bad for it. Lesson to be learned in that.
lol If someone wants to say I'm insane or lying that's perfectly fine.

When I described you the way I did, I was basing that assessment (opinion) on your behaviors in that thread, and supported by most of your post history on this forum. You seem to be the contrarian most of the time, and that doesn't resonate very well with others (your message to reaction score shows that). So if your way of debating is trying to prove others wrong, don't be surprised when others push back.
Truth is harsh. Life is short. I don't see any reason to mince my words. The occult is full of waffle and worse. It's my reaction after many years of seeing that to speak straightforwardly. People can just ignore my words too.
 

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I just figured I'd chime in here just to give an opinion because I'm familiar with Bardon.

So....the criticisms here are valid. I agree with many of them.

But as someone (probably like many of us here) who's spent 10s of thousands on occult books and read as far and wide as I can (I try anyway, I'm not the best)....

I think it's fairly obvious after a while to see that.....pretty much every occult author is essentially "just some guy with opinions". Including Bardon.

This is occultism, esotericism, and spirituality. Not science. Not medicine. Not engineering. There are no peer reviewed scientific studies on these topics. You can't use a mathematical proof to prove that someone has the answers.

I often hear criticisms of Occult authors like this. And they're fair. But, what were you expecting? That God himself would be the author?

And people do claim that, even with sacred texts, like the Bible, the Bhagavad Gita......academics can find criticisms, flaws, and contradictions that are undeniable. Potential mistakes or "flaws". And that's incredibly controversial. My intention is not to disrespect anyone's faith or anyone who relies on holy texts or scriptures. I don't believe them to be nonsense in any way, rather, actually, I think they hold immense value and are sacred in nature. However, human authors, even those with 'divine inspiration,' can still manufacture flaws in their work. These books are written by humans after all.

When it comes to alternative spiritual texts? (Also known as occult works)

Every author is an imperfect human being, usually with a weird life (none of them were saints), who just was just writing down their ideas and their spiritual human experience and research. Some have better sources than others. Some write more articulately than others. Some look like an absolute crazy mess.

But ultimately, every occult text is just some guy's spiritual ideas on paper. Find me an author that was a perfect human being and wrote down a perfect spiritual work. You could argue for the bible. Maybe Hermes Trismegistus and the Hermetica? Was that divinely transmitted from the source, the heavens, from God? That's an interesting discussion.

I don't know if Bardon's systems or ideas hold any water. He did get sick and die.

But do you know why Bardon got sick and died? He was imprisoned twice, and it began to wear on the man's mental health and personal condition.

The Nazis, particularly Hitler, wanted Bardon to assist them with magic to win the war and reveal other occult lodges. Bardon refused, leading to torture and imprisonment in a concentration camp. He got out.

After the war, Bardon continued his occult studies and healing work. He was arrested again by the Czechoslovakian Communist authorities on charges of tax evasion (for alcohol used in his remedies) and treason (for allegedly making unfavorable comments in a letter). And then the pancreatitis in custody ended him.

Does this mean occult powers don't work? That Bardon's skills or ideas were nothing?

I can attest personally that trying to meditate and manifest or control your consciousness and emotions when you're in a life-reckoning situation like....prison (which is known to be psychologically traumatic).....it's hard to perform under those conditions. Not everyone can.

I'm not saying he's right or wrong. I'm just cutting the man some slack and looking at what happened here historically.

Let's look at some other occultists that arguably have overlap with Bardon.

Crowley created a whole religion off of some overlapping principles that are arguably sharing some similarity to Bardon's work. With similar roots (Hermetics/Kabbalah/Egyptian Currents). His thing was, "Love was the way to create your true will, your true life's path".

Did he do it? Did he use his invention, Thelema, to will his highest life path? Well, He was a long-time drug user and became addicted to heroin, which contributed to his declining health. He died in relative poverty and obscurity in a boarding house. At first he began experimenting widely with various psychotropic substances, including cannabis, cocaine, mescaline, and solvents, from an early age, often as part of his "magickal" studies and personal exploration. Then he developed a 20 year addiction to heroin that led to declining health and finances. Then he died.

He didn't do it. Even the creator of Thelema couldn't do Thelema.

Look at a modern magician. You can criticize me here but I'm going to back it up with arguable evidence: Joe Dispenza. People claim they have had radical remissions from cancer and other diseases. His work again pulls from Hermetics (he states hermetic principles in his courses, "The inner creates the outer", "As above, so below"), chaos magick (in his "Progressive/Intensive Course" he has you draw a sigil and charge it with your greatest intentions for your future life, visualizing your success), this is his "roll your own" version of ritual that he kind of created. He has you work "vibration" (very...."kybalionistic"), and subdue and control thoughts (similar to Bardon) and try to elevate your body's state, willingly, into love (Thelemic), to try to create a new reality (again....that's in alignment with the Hermetica, creating a new physical reality based on the inner state of the self changing. According to these principles, the inner creates the outer, so drastically working to change and elevate the inner self will create a new physical reality).

What's my point? Did Joe do it? Well......he is losing his hair. Many people mention that. Couldn't he use what he teaches to create a new reality and change his gene expression in real time, to regrow that hair? To activate dormant follicles?

These are tough questions.

Does this mean every teacher of manifestational, hermetic-like, kabbalistic/qabbalistic or pseudo-kabblaistic ideas are all peddling a bunch of useless nonsense?

That's the million dollar question when it comes to occultism isn't it? Why do we collect and read this crazy stuff that mainstream society thinks is nonsense?

It's like every occult book is a case study on some weird person who pieced together their thoughts that go outside the bounds of mainstream religion, science, and thought.

Personally, I research every author. I consider their background as a factor. But I have yet to find an author who has had a spotless history.

But also, I consider that maybe it's a situation of "those who can't do, teach."

Maybe they were great at explaining it, but not actually doing it. Is that plausible? I don't know. Is it possible? It could be.

Entering into Occultism is an exploration. There's a reason society didn't regard these books as "the best ones" or "The most sacred".

Some of them are maybe "the hidden". Some of them are also rejects. Occultism is also what is not accepted. What society did not accept. They include science, religion, thought, history, etc., which society disagreed with. That doesn't necessarily mean it's right or wrong. It just means it's outside the bounds of accepted.

I think Bardon's work is interesting. But no, it's not perfect. And he died before he could finish some of it. It's also probably not without flaws, regardless.

Every occult work I read, I take what I find valuable, and I leave the rest. That's with any book.

Because if you're looking for that supernatural author who wrote a perfectly Godly divine book with every single secret of the universe in it....

It doesn't exist. Every author was human (even if they say they were God, which some have).

So you have to consider the limitations of a book written by some guy. After all......every single occult work is just a book written by some guy. Even intricate grimoires were written by humans.

In my opinion, they hold value if you see value in it. It's up to you to decide if it's nonsense or not. But it can't necessarily be "proven" because it's not an exact science like engineering or medicine. It's up for a vast amount of interpretation.
 
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Look at a modern magician. You can criticize me here but I'm going to back it up with arguable evidence: Joe Dispenza. People claim they have had radical remissions from cancer and other diseases. His work again pulls from Hermetics (he states hermetic principles in his courses, "The inner creates the outer", "As above, so below"), chaos magick (in his "Progressive/Intensive Course" he has you draw a sigil and charge it with your greatest intentions for your future life, visualizing your success), this is his "roll your own" version of ritual that he kind of created. He has you work "vibration" (very...."kybalionistic"), and subdue and control thoughts (similar to Bardon) and try to elevate your body's state, willingly, into love (Thelemic), to try to create a new reality (again....that's in alignment with the Hermetica, creating a new physical reality based on the inner state of the self changing. According to these principles, the inner creates the outer, so drastically working to change and elevate the inner self will create a new physical reality).
Holding thoughts/emotions of being healed can work. I've healed myself multiple times this way, including one dramatic healing that occurred overnight (although that was coupled with energy work in a deep state of consciousness) . So I don't think that part is controversial to people with experience.

The thing with Bardon is just how esteemed he is (even made into a mythic figure as the reincarnation of Hermes Trismegistus.), and just how large are his claims of what can be accomplished. He didn't say 'this letter may assist you with increased vitality which may improve your health', he says 'this letter induces perfect health'. He talks about omniscience and other shit which neither he and nor anyone else achieves while incarnated in a primate suit. ..and he was sickly for years outside of his imprisonments so I think that's just more excuse making.

People do get some results from some of Bardon exercises, I never disputed that. What I said elsewhere is that he is overrated, and I think that is a fair thing to say based on the extremely high estimation of him coupled with the fantasy claims made in his 2nd and 3rd books.

Really profound results occur when one creates their own path. Not from dipping into pools of collectivist energies.
 

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I just figured I'd chime in here just to give an opinion because I'm familiar with Bardon.

So....the criticisms here are valid. I agree with many of them.

But as someone (probably like many of us here) who's spent 10s of thousands on occult books and read as far and wide as I can (I try anyway, I'm not the best)....

I think it's fairly obvious after a while to see that.....pretty much every occult author is essentially "just some guy with opinions". Including Bardon.

This is occultism, esotericism, and spirituality. Not science. Not medicine. Not engineering. There are no peer reviewed scientific studies on these topics. You can't use a mathematical proof to prove that someone has the answers.

I often hear criticisms of Occult authors like this. And they're fair. But, what were you expecting? That God himself would be the author?

And people do claim that, even with sacred texts, like the Bible, the Bhagavad Gita......academics can find criticisms, flaws, and contradictions that are undeniable. Potential mistakes or "flaws". And that's incredibly controversial. My intention is not to disrespect anyone's faith or anyone who relies on holy texts or scriptures. I don't believe them to be nonsense in any way, rather, actually, I think they hold immense value and are sacred in nature. However, human authors, even those with 'divine inspiration,' can still manufacture flaws in their work. These books are written by humans after all.

When it comes to alternative spiritual texts? (Also known as occult works)

Every author is an imperfect human being, usually with a weird life (none of them were saints), who just was just writing down their ideas and their spiritual human experience and research. Some have better sources than others. Some write more articulately than others. Some look like an absolute crazy mess.

But ultimately, every occult text is just some guy's spiritual ideas on paper. Find me an author that was a perfect human being and wrote down a perfect spiritual work. You could argue for the bible. Maybe Hermes Trismegistus and the Hermetica? Was that divinely transmitted from the source, the heavens, from God? That's an interesting discussion.

I don't know if Bardon's systems or ideas hold any water. He did get sick and die.

But do you know why Bardon got sick and died? He was imprisoned twice, and it began to wear on the man's mental health and personal condition.

The Nazis, particularly Hitler, wanted Bardon to assist them with magic to win the war and reveal other occult lodges. Bardon refused, leading to torture and imprisonment in a concentration camp. He got out.

After the war, Bardon continued his occult studies and healing work. He was arrested again by the Czechoslovakian Communist authorities on charges of tax evasion (for alcohol used in his remedies) and treason (for allegedly making unfavorable comments in a letter). And then the pancreatitis in custody ended him.

Does this mean occult powers don't work? That Bardon's skills or ideas were nothing?

I can attest personally that trying to meditate and manifest or control your consciousness and emotions when you're in a life-reckoning situation like....prison (which is known to be psychologically traumatic).....it's hard to perform under those conditions. Not everyone can.

I'm not saying he's right or wrong. I'm just cutting the man some slack and looking at what happened here historically.

Let's look at some other occultists that arguably have overlap with Bardon.

Crowley created a whole religion off of some overlapping principles that are arguably sharing some similarity to Bardon's work. With similar roots (Hermetics/Kabbalah/Egyptian Currents). His thing was, "Love was the way to create your true will, your true life's path".

Did he do it? Did he use his invention, Thelema, to will his highest life path? Well, He was a long-time drug user and became addicted to heroin, which contributed to his declining health. He died in relative poverty and obscurity in a boarding house. At first he began experimenting widely with various psychotropic substances, including cannabis, cocaine, mescaline, and solvents, from an early age, often as part of his "magickal" studies and personal exploration. Then he developed a 20 year addiction to heroin that led to declining health and finances. Then he died.

He didn't do it. Even the creator of Thelema couldn't do Thelema.

Look at a modern magician. You can criticize me here but I'm going to back it up with arguable evidence: Joe Dispenza. People claim they have had radical remissions from cancer and other diseases. His work again pulls from Hermetics (he states hermetic principles in his courses, "The inner creates the outer", "As above, so below"), chaos magick (in his "Progressive/Intensive Course" he has you draw a sigil and charge it with your greatest intentions for your future life, visualizing your success), this is his "roll your own" version of ritual that he kind of created. He has you work "vibration" (very...."kybalionistic"), and subdue and control thoughts (similar to Bardon) and try to elevate your body's state, willingly, into love (Thelemic), to try to create a new reality (again....that's in alignment with the Hermetica, creating a new physical reality based on the inner state of the self changing. According to these principles, the inner creates the outer, so drastically working to change and elevate the inner self will create a new physical reality).

What's my point? Did Joe do it? Well......he is losing his hair. Many people mention that. Couldn't he use what he teaches to create a new reality and change his gene expression in real time, to regrow that hair? To activate dormant follicles?

These are tough questions.

Does this mean every teacher of manifestational, hermetic-like, kabbalistic/qabbalistic or pseudo-kabblaistic ideas are all peddling a bunch of useless nonsense?

That's the million dollar question when it comes to occultism isn't it? Why do we collect and read this crazy stuff that mainstream society thinks is nonsense?

It's like every occult book is a case study on some weird person who pieced together their thoughts that go outside the bounds of mainstream religion, science, and thought.

Personally, I research every author. I consider their background as a factor. But I have yet to find an author who has had a spotless history.

But also, I consider that maybe it's a situation of "those who can't do, teach."

Maybe they were great at explaining it, but not actually doing it. Is that plausible? I don't know. Is it possible? It could be.

Entering into Occultism is an exploration. There's a reason society didn't regard these books as "the best ones" or "The most sacred".

Some of them are maybe "the hidden". Some of them are also rejects. Occultism is also what is not accepted. What society did not accept. They include science, religion, thought, history, etc., which society disagreed with. That doesn't necessarily mean it's right or wrong. It just means it's outside the bounds of accepted.

I think Bardon's work is interesting. But no, it's not perfect. And he died before he could finish some of it. It's also probably not without flaws, regardless.

Every occult work I read, I take what I find valuable, and I leave the rest. That's with any book.

Because if you're looking for that supernatural author who wrote a perfectly Godly divine book with every single secret of the universe in it....

It doesn't exist. Every author was human (even if they say they were God, which some have).

So you have to consider the limitations of a book written by some guy. After all......every single occult work is just a book written by some guy. Even intricate grimoires were written by humans.

In my opinion, they hold value if you see value in it. It's up to you to decide if it's nonsense or not. But it can't necessarily be "proven" because it's not an exact science like engineering or medicine. It's up for a vast amount of interpretation.
Joe Dispenza and Joe Vitale. Dispenza does teach working methods, they are very watered down, but they are correct. I know some things Vitale teaches but from a deeper perspective, which are pure gold (he didn't invent them, he published them). His own practice is the one he's comfortable with, he doesn't use most of the things he talked about. They are not shady italian snake oil salesmant, they are shady italian nectar carrying bees :D Some can say Vitale is bald and fat, I'll say he's rich, happy and enjoys himself :D Likely healther too, than he would be otherwise.
Bardon very well might not have used what he knew to it's full potential, but that's human. He went through much, I don't think Beyond Everything would have survived that. I understand what you say, and also that it's useless to talk to Beyond Everything. His behaviour - you know people who didn't amount to anything, how they sometimes like to say to children that they will not amount to anything, that they are not cut to be this and that, they will never, etc. and who always finds fault in everyone (or makes one up). This is Beyond Everything here, he get off on bringing others down. If he loses an argument, he gets backlash - the burning suspicion that something is wrong with him. So he will fight to the last.
 
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Bardon very well might not have used what he knew to it's full potential
That's just more excuse-making. He had ample opportunity to practice his teachings and implement them. They simply do not work as advertised in their greater claims. Whining about me doesn't change that reality.
 

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I'm with @Celestia on this. Magic can be a bit like the blind men and the elephant. No one has worked out what the whole elephant is actually like. We're all doing the best we can with what we have. If Bardon made a mistake, it was not about his system, it was the claims he made for that system. Wild claims do not necessarily invalidate the usefulness of a system.
 
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