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What are your views on hell?

Ohana

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to me hell is a place to contain, not so much to torture, not where demons live. It does not contain sin, but contains threats.
That raises a lot more questions. Like if its just a place to contain "threats" then are they ever released? Is it like spirtual version of jail then? Who does the sentencing? Are they affect by biases? Are they impartial? Is it decided by your peers? A lot of questions

But if both places do exist are people up there affected by guilt for getting not "contained"? I wouldn't want to go to either and given the choice I would reincarnate.

Horus = The Overworld Hero
Christ = The Underworld Hero

They represent a sort of Yin-Yang dynamic in the cosmos, as articulated by The Book of the Law and decoded by the English Qaballa. Both have their place.
They kind of sound like soul mates but not in the traditional romantic sense of the word. More in the literal sense of being both parts of the soul. Or I guess mates of the soul.
This is from The Magickal Language of the Book of the Law by Cath Thompson, which I highly recommend for an Thelemic reading of Chris, especially within the context 'defeating' Hell through Love.

Jesus is mentioned in Liber AL is in Ch. III v.51,
“I peck at the eyes of Jesus as he hangs upon the cross.”
This kind of seems like symbolism for love is blind? With a bird asscoiated god pecking at the what some see as a symbol of compassion.

Also similar to the prometheus legend which prometheus would get hassled by an eagle/bird daily. But this time the bird is falcon.
Hmmm ... do they ? To me they kind of sound like deep philosophical musings from one of humanity's classic books on the subject ... also taken from two perspectives (as there are two versions of the story ; Marlow and Goethe .
In that view I could see them as the main characters for play Waiting for Godot. Or Rosencratz and Guildenstern from Rosencratz and Guildenstern are dead.
 

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Why keep seeing them as things they are not ?

They represent the human dynamic and the classic of the age ; it even has a modern lesson ; Faust is Man and Mephistopheles is technology ; man makes a sellout deal with technology , seemingly ignoring the consequences ... oh yeah, he gets all these material benefits ... but at what cost ? One is , the cost of his 'soul ' .

And if you dont know what 'loosing your soul' can mean in the modern world ; try doing a 10 hr day factory job that you hate , does not inspire you and makes you feel you not getting anywhere . . . except as a flesh and bone automaton .

For some that is 'a hell' .
 
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That raises a lot more questions. Like if its just a place to contain "threats" then are they ever released? Is it like spirtual version of jail then? Who does the sentencing? Are they affect by biases? Are they impartial? Is it decided by your peers? A lot of questions

But if both places do exist are people up there affected by guilt for getting not "contained"? I wouldn't want to go to either and given the choice I would reincarnate.
If someone can be stopped without getting killed they get put there to cool off in a manner of saying. There are powerful beings that will just destroy everything in their path or have too much rage or hatred that they would genocide something, so in the case where they can be saved, they get put there first.

That is why putting demons in hell, they always escape because they arent strong and arent a threat.

Anyone can use hell, but the rules matter in what gets kept there.
 

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That is why putting demons in hell, they always escape because they arent strong and arent a threat.

Anyone can use hell, but the rules matter in what gets kept there.
Hmm the cooling off manner sounds okay. I think anyone entity or person going through that needs therapy or rehabilitatative services and I know how some systems which mean to "temporarily" contain can become focused on permanent containment when not focused on rehabilitation.

When they give up on rehabilitation. When they stop even trying.

Apologies if that seemed accusatory I just don't have a lot of trust in much of anything anymore.
 
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Hmm the cooling off manner sounds okay. I think anyone entity or person going through that needs therapy or rehabilitatative services and I know how some systems which mean to "temporarily" contain can become focused on permanent containment when not focused on rehabilitation.

When they give up on rehabilitation. When they stop even trying.

Apologies if that seemed accusatory I just don't have a lot of trust in much of anything anymore.
thats the human occult experience for you, its very different if you learnt from a different source. Its usually why i suggest angels because i know them. I'd suggest dragons too but i really dont know where to start with the "how to for beginners" guide for them.
 

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More in the literal sense of being both parts of the soul.
Why keep seeing them as things they are not ?
They represent the human dynamic and the classic of the age ;

Damn, ya'll! This is a huge issue in so many ways. Lemme add it is both valid to personalize myths - to find the myth in you own life, and to focus on the Little Story. But it also range-limits you. (Not saying you are doing this, btw, Ohana!)

But taken too far, to reify the Little Story and puff it up, is what holy wars and religions wars do. To see their little story write large and ego-inflate themselves to cosmic dimensions and become a legend in their own minds. Jung would wag his finger here at them. WitchTokers do the same when they cheer on burning Catholic churches. They totally miss the point of all of this.

The real magic (on the more mystical side of the spectrum here) happens, in my view, as I think Firtee is suggesting here, when you see yourself reflected in the Big Story so you rise to become part of the Big Story - not in forcing too much the Big Story down into tight little boxes of ego and self-gratification. Again see Jung for why that is very bad. So "Hell" should be part of the Big Story to overcome Hell, not wallow in it and cheer on. The WitchToker religious hatred and violence and pursuit of the continuation of suffering should be a case study for how to use these stories very, very badly.

This is going off-topic a little, but sinvce we're talking about how to interpret mythic stories and the characters therein, and since I roped in Thelema and Horus into the conversation in reference to Christ's Harrowing of Hell as mirror-image modalities:

One is free to interpret The Book of the Law however your soul leads you to. But I will say, when seen with EQ, it operates within a highly sophisticated cosmoligcal vision of astro-theology.

Thelema itself is also highly flexible and forgiving regarding how each person wants to interpret the Mystery Play. In Thelema one is free to interpret "the gods" more as Crowley suggested they are, as mathematical formulas in the universe rather than daimons or spirits. They form "formulas for intitation."

Thelema, partually as seent though the number symbolism of the EQ reveals a high-sophisticated atro-theoology. Astro-theology is many orders of magnitited greater than the simplistic sun-sign astrology of the newspapers, where it’s more like a party game of 'Hi, I’m a Cancer. What is your sun Sign?' Here is more about seeing great mythic cycles at play in the universe that we can align with.

The real brothers, according to EQ, are Horus and Set-Typhon, who 'sit' at the gate of the universe and both create/destroy it. In my view, the universe is being created and destroyed many times every second, rather like the flickering of a movie projector. Without destruction, there is no Time and no Movement. But that is my reading of it.

For more of the sophisticated vision of the Universe that The Book of the Law (maybe) operate within see:

I also do not like making 'unassailable' truth statements, but I will say that contemplating this vision I had a sublime, ecstatic experience where I was in pure bliss and happiness for three whole days. Maybe the Book of the Law really is a mind-virus that rewrites your brain, which I would say is true of all myths. Just beware how you use them. You will evetually live the myths you engage with. So pick a heathy version of them, including the myths around Hell.
 
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