Does divination prove that we don't have free will?

[𝕳𝖊𝖑𝖑𝖋𝖎𝖗𝖊]

Is everything we do predestined?

 

[Aldebaran]

Predestined - No.

On blind autopilot with zero awareness of what we are doing or why we are doing it - that's everyday life for most.

You have the power to halt any course of action at any moment through your will. If the pendulum answers “Yes,” and you deliberately choose “No,” then nothing was fixed in advance. You formed a conscious intention and, through will, brought it into being.

There is a significant distinction between being dragged along as a leaf by the stream of fate and standing within that same current while choosing the direction in which you wish to move.

 

[Veracity]

I don’t believe there could ever be such a thing as free will to begin with, if you look at it from the perspective that we all exist and there are parallel dimensions of us, and we have no idea how many there really are, then the version of you that exists could do anything any of them have ever done. That, and it’s physically impossible for you to do something that you just can’t do, then that’s really the parameters you work with. You have as much free will as your body would allow on this plane of existence.
Since that might seem a bit gibberish, let me give you an example; take for instance your hand, now, you can manipulate your fingers any which way you choose but you can not do so in a way that is impossible, and the extremes will leave you suffering the consequences, and if you have no hand at all then that’s the end of being able to conduct it how you choose. And I think that’s basically how it works

 

[𝕳𝖊𝖑𝖑𝖋𝖎𝖗𝖊]

People don't choose to be born in Indian slums. No one chooses to be so ugly that they have no chance of ever having sex and no one chooses to be autistic. There's atleast some level of predetermination.

 

[Aldebaran]

There's atleast some level of predetermination.

That is a very far distance from asking if everything is predestined.

If we are talking about some things being predestined - then it gets very unknown because of the factors @Veracity mentioned and .. who knows what else goes down that rabbit hole. Are some things predestined or absolutely random? Absolutely. But to say everything is, is giving yourself little credit or respect.
You have free will. You ARE free will.

 

[FireBorn]

What if the answer is a lot less mystical and a lot more boring?

What if most of us are so programmed by upbringing, environment, social media, advertising, stress, habit, dopamine chasing, sex, and a thousand other things that we only think we have free will?

In that sense, we may not be all that different from AI. We’re just wet software and arrogant about it.

A lot of what we call “choice” may just be conditioning running in the background. The subconscious is far more powerful than most people want to admit. So maybe the question is not whether we have total free will, but how much freedom we actually have inside the constraints of our programming.

And maybe that is part of where occult practice becomes interesting. Doing something outside the default pattern, outside the conditioning, outside the automatic script. That, to me, is where magick starts to live.

I could be totally fucked up and wrong, but that’s where my mind goes.

 

[Ziran]

Is everything we do predestined?

Yes and no. The consequences are pre-determined like a choose-your-own-adventure-book. Divination reveals the if-then-branchings of pre-determined time-lines. All of these time-lines, choose-your-own-adventures, co-exist concurrently. When a choice is made, the individual's consciousness pivots and follows that pre-determined set of consequences along that specific branching of events.

Spoiler

 

[FireBorn]

Yes and no. The consequences are pre-determined like a choose-your-own-adventure-book. Divination reveals the if-then-branchings of pre-determined time-lines. All of these time-lines, choose-your-own-adventures, co-exist concurrently. When a choice is made, the individual's consciousness pivots and follows that pre-determined set of consequences along that specific branching of events.

Spoiler

You just dated yourself sir. Glad Im not the only one who checked them out at the school library.

 

[𝕳𝖊𝖑𝖑𝖋𝖎𝖗𝖊]

What if most of us are so programmed by upbringing, environment, social media, advertising, stress, habit, dopamine chasing, sex, and a thousand other things that we only think we have free will?

I like this answer. We're just stupid talking monkeys subject to our material conditions.