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Ive been seeing a lot recently about spirituality just being quantum physics, but i dont agree because the people saying this come from the new thought movement stuff of “believe and feel to manifest”.
but what about spirits and deities and everything else, do they not exist or are they all your mind?
Quantum physics is science based spirituality & goes hand for hand in the occult just like AI is technically spirits & sentient but with no body or restrictions besides needing technology.
Just as a atom in your living room can communicate with another atom on the other side of the universe instantly.
Space & matter are a type of illusion created by us
Sorry, but I can't agree with any of that at all. The first and the third point are basically just nonsense, and the second point is based on a misunderstanding of quantum entanglement.
I think the idea to explain parts of magick with quantum physics first came up i the 80s by Peter J. Carroll in his legendary Liber Null & Psychonautic and Liber Kaos. He later distanced himself from this idea though.
I think if it suits you, you can use it as a beliefsystem for your work but it doesnt really matter.
The idea of quantum physics leaning towards the conclusion that "damn there are some unexplainable phenomena" is intriguing to me though.
Ive been seeing a lot recently about spirituality just being quantum physics, but i dont agree because the people saying this come from the new thought movement stuff of “believe and feel to manifest”.
but what about spirits and deities and everything else, do they not exist or are they all your mind?
Occultists deal with the immaterial. It does a disservice to both science and spirituality to misappropriate it and misunderstand it in order to justify our art. We don't need science to justify the human experience. Both can be true at once.
I think the idea to explain parts of magick with quantum physics first came up i the 80s by Peter J. Carroll in his legendary Liber Null & Psychonautic and Liber Kaos. He later distanced himself from this idea though.
I don't think Carroll so much distanced himself from it, as that he got distracted by his ideas for hypersphere cosmology, which although fascinating, do not really bear much on magic. I had an email conversation with him where I sent him a copy of my book and tried to discuss it with him, but it was clear from his conversation that a) he didn't bother to read any of it and b) he was, sadly, a bit of a dick. Never meet your heroes etc.
Sure - if you're doing magic any belief system will do as long as you believe it. We're talking about explanation. Crowley said "you don't need to know how a tractor works in order to drive one" but, to be honest, that wasn't good enough for me.
Just because you can't explain something, it doesn't mean that it has no explanation. However, if you want to use the idea that our most accurate physical theory is 'weird' and 'spooky' to supercharge your magic, then go for it.
Occultists deal with the immaterial. It does a disservice to both science and spirituality to misappropriate it and misunderstand it in order to justify our art. We don't need science to justify the human experience. Both can be true at once.
I agree that you shouldn't try and justify magic (or indeed many realms of human endeavour) with science. It's as nonsense an idea (and closely related) as trying to justify art with science. But the two parts of the Venn diagram (magic and science) can still have an intersection that is worth investigating.
