Rudolf Steiner on vaccination

[Sandragreendragon]

Protect your soul at all costs!

Spirits of darkness are going to
inspire their human hosts to find a
vaccine that will drive all inclination
towards spirituality out of people's souls!

 

[Beyond Everything]

I think you should do a wee bit of research on polio

I've yet to encounter an anti-vaxxer who had a clue what they were talking about

 

[Ibez]

Protect your soul at all costs!

Spirits of darkness are going to
inspire their human hosts to find a
vaccine that will drive all inclination
towards spirituality out of people's souls!

Vaccination is a topic that has long divided opinion. Today, in view of Covid-19, that debate has become ever more polarized.

Illustrated throughout, Covid Vaccines from a Spiritual Perspective deals with scientific facts, but also with research that requires spiritual-scientific methods. Led by main author and activist Thomas Mayer, the volume features reports, experiences and commentary from more than fifty contributors with clairvoyant and psychic abilities. From their observations, it is argued that Covid vaccines are not ‘harmless jabs’, but potentially violent interventions in the subtle structures of the human body, soul and spirit. The vaccines even have implications for an individual’s life beyond death. Instead of the soul evolving in the afterlife, it could remain bound to the earth, suffering deeply.

Although this book’s conclusions may appear alarming, it is not the author’s intention to create fear. He seeks only to provide useful information and enlightenment, demonstrating how vaccinated and unvaccinated people can deal with this subject consciously, courageously and with hope for the future.

Removed link

 

[Morell]

Hate to admit that I got side effect from covid vaccine that still didn't go away... Because vaccines helped humanity so much in fighting diseases...

 

[Yazata]

Glad I didn't get the vaccine.

 

[borbponderer]

I've had covid more than once. It was pretty unpleasant, but it's a known quantity. The various vaccines aren't. Best case with the vaccine is it might reduce some of the symptoms. Or you might still die anyway. Or the vaccine itself might have some weird side effects. I intended to get it at the outset, but the whole thing got away from me, and now I'm glad I didn't.

 

[KjEno186]

I think you should do a wee bit of research on polio

I've yet to encounter an anti-vaxxer who had a clue what they were talking about

Read The Moth In the Iron Lung and Crooked: Manmade Disease Explained by Forrest Maready.

The concept of injecting a substance that "stimulates" the immune system to recognize a virus might seem to be sound on the surface. However, in the USA children have been getting nearly 70 such injections by the time they reach adulthood, and the companies involved are laughing all the way to the bank. They don't have to worry about being sued because, unlike every other industry including the pharma drug producers, they cannot be sued by law since 1986.

I had COVID once in early 2021. Lost my sense of smell for several months afterward. I never got the experimental mRNA gene therapy injection. Never had COVID again. Last vaccine I had was in the early '90s. Won't have another one.

 

[Beyond Everything]

Read The Moth In the Iron Lung and Crooked: Manmade Disease Explained by Forrest Maready.

So his thesis in the first is that pesticides cause polio? Pesticide use did not decrease but polio drastically did- and that is only due to one thing- the vaccine. He also believes vaccines cause autism, there's z e r o evidence for that. Which is why buffoon RFK jr can't produce any for his pet belief. T

The concept of injecting a substance that "stimulates" the immune system to recognize a virus might seem to be sound on the surface. However, in the USA children have been getting nearly 70 such injections by the time they reach adulthood, and the companies involved are laughing all the way to the bank.

Vaccines were effective before any of these companies existed. The smallpox vaccine in the 18th century. Your contention that vaccine theory is only sound on the surface is contradicted by quite an abundance of evidence.

I had COVID once in early 2021. Lost my sense of smell for several months afterward. I never got the experimental mRNA gene therapy injection. Never had COVID again. Last vaccine I had was in the early '90s. Won't have another one.

I mean, your pride here is completely misguided. You harmed your health due to erroneous beliefs propagated by know-nothings.

 

[Robert Ramsay]

Protect your soul at all costs!

Spirits of darkness are going to
inspire their human hosts to find a
vaccine that will drive all inclination
towards spirituality out of people's souls!

That's not a vaccine; it's called 'western civilisation'.

 

[Kepler]

So his thesis in the first is that pesticides cause polio? Pesticide use did not decrease but polio drastically did- and that is only due to one thing- the vaccine. He also believes vaccines cause autism, there's z e r o evidence for that. Which is why buffoon RFK jr can't produce any for his pet belief. T

Vaccines were effective before any of these companies existed. The smallpox vaccine in the 18th century. Your contention that vaccine theory is only sound on the surface is contradicted by quite an abundance of evidence.

I mean, your pride here is completely misguided. You harmed your health due to erroneous beliefs propagated by know-nothings.

Someone that studied music and religion decades ago talking out of their ass isn't good enough to follow their medical conclusions? /s

Sounds like you don't let Russell Brand and anecdotes instill high confidence low substantiated medical opinions.

On a more serious note it's unfortunate that the unvaccinated benefitting from herd immunity contributes to their delusions of health, but if there's a drop in vaccination the outbreaks may improve uptake a bit as they're injured and killed off by preventable illnesses. But taking responsibility for their own mistakes isn't really a strong suit of the unvaccinated. It's more likely they'll fabricate something to blame shift and keep unjustified confidence. "It was the 5G, not me!"

 

[Yazata]

It's weird how my entire family got that garbage pumped into them, except for me. Weird that all of them got “the covid” except for me. Weird how my father went from being as strong as a bear to a weak old man that got several strange internal infections and a stroke. Weird how my mom turned into a nervous wrack looking and acting like someone at least 25 years older. Weird how my younger brother, the average fitness bro got the covid even though he works out every single day. Weird how his 17 year old kid suddenly died from heart failure after getting that garbage. Weird how I just eat fresh vegetables and fruit and didn't get the covid. Strange. With all these vaccinated people coughing and infecting each other everywhere.
Also pretty weird how the pro-vaccine people all seem to be of the same character. Immediately trying to insult others when they choose not to take that shit. Mocking and ridiculing. Wonder why they care so much, if they after all are safe from the disease.

 

[KjEno186]

So his thesis in the first is that pesticides cause polio?

Pesticides containing arsenic. Arsenic is not used in pesticides anymore. The mechanism involved enabling certain gut bacteria to infect the spine, causing lesions that led to paralysis. Arsenic on contaminated produce passed through the intestines acting as a catalyst in this process. The records from the time show that the spread of this condition caused a great deal of confusion since it did not follow typical patterns of infection easily observable with influenza, cholera, etc. The concept behind the Polio vaccine was to prime the immune system to attack that bacteria as an "invader". The irony is that the strains involved are fairly common. Medicine at that time wasn't solving the problem, it was dealing with a symptom.

By the way, Polio doesn't refer to the bacteria. Poliomyelitis literally means "inflammation of the grey matter of spinal cord."

The smallpox vaccine in the 18th century.

What exactly did the smallpox vaccine contain? How did they harvest its contents? Did injecting this vaccine into people also cause other diseases to spread, such as syphilis? What do you believe is the reason for almost religious belief in the sanctity of vaccination when compared to the advancement of knowledge in biochemistry in the last century?

You harmed your health

I disobeyed the god of progress. Like the god of Genesis, it does not want man and woman to decide for themselves the difference between "good" and "evil". It just wants amoral obedience to its decrees.

Post automatically merged: Yesterday at 1:59 PM

Weird how my father went from being as strong as a bear to a weak old man that got several strange internal infections and a stroke. Weird how my mom turned into a nervous wrack looking and acting like someone at least 25 years older. Weird how my younger brother, the average fitness bro got the covid even though he works out every single day.

I'm sorry to read how this has affected your family. My parents took the shots, but they did not have any bad reactions as far as I am aware. My father has since died, but he already had Alzheimer's, and his actual cause of death appeared to be liver failure. He was a good man and lived a long life. My mother was initially shocked at my decision not to take the shots, but she has told me that she supports my choice.

If there is a spiritual danger here, it is unquestioning obedience to the group mind.

 

[borbponderer]

The sense of smell thing was really freaky. I hated that part of it.

It's weird how my entire family got that garbage pumped into them, except for me. Weird that all of them got “the covid” except for me. Weird how my father went from being as strong as a bear to a weak old man that got several strange internal infections and a stroke. Weird how my mom turned into a nervous wrack looking and acting like someone at least 25 years older. Weird how my younger brother, the average fitness bro got the covid even though he works out every single day. Weird how his 17 year old kid suddenly died from heart failure after getting that garbage. Weird how I just eat fresh vegetables and fruit and didn't get the covid. Strange. With all these vaccinated people coughing and infecting each other everywhere.
Also pretty weird how the pro-vaccine people all seem to be of the same character. Immediately trying to insult others when they choose not to take that shit. Mocking and ridiculing. Wonder why they care so much, if they after all are safe from the disease.

One friend of mine got really sick after a single dose. She didn't go for any boosters. Another friend stopped talking to me for two years because I refused to get the shot after growing ever more suspicious about the whole thing. And that was just from me reading my favourite wokepaper, The Guardian. No anti-vax or conspiracy rabbit holes needed to form that conclusion, just reading between the official editorial line. But I have never been fully trusting of the medical establishment.

Someone on a subreddit I sometimes follow, a really smart well informed person, he had four boosters, caught covid at a no kings protest and died later that month.

My strategy is to simply avoid people and places where I'm likely to get it. Which is easy because I hate most other humans and already go out of my way to avoid them. And if I catch another dose, I'll take my chances. I was ok 4 times before. The no sense of smell thing was really freaky and unpleasant, but I recovered from that as well.

There's a Manchester University paper that found a strong correlation between high antibiotic useage and a poor covid prognosis. But antibiotics are something I've managed to avoid my whole life as well.

So much insanity and groupthink around the entire thing.

 

[Beyond Everything]

Pesticides containing arsenic. Arsenic is not used in pesticides anymore. The mechanism involved enabling certain gut bacteria to infect the spine, causing lesions that led to paralysis. Arsenic on contaminated produce passed through the intestines acting as a catalyst in this process.

You do realize the virus that causes polio can be observed in the cells, including how it radically alters them? Perhaps your non-scientist author you put absolute faith in didn't inform you of this.

The records from the time show that the spread of this condition caused a great deal of confusion since it did not follow typical patterns of infection easily observable with influenza, cholera, etc. The concept behind the Polio vaccine was to prime the immune system to attack that bacteria as an "invader". The irony is that the strains involved are fairly common. Medicine at that time wasn't solving the problem, it was dealing with a symptom.

Polio is not caused by a bacteria. If you can't get the most basic facts right, I think your misplaced assurance in that author is unwarranted

What exactly did the smallpox vaccine contain? How did they harvest its contents? Did injecting this vaccine into people also cause other diseases to spread, such as syphilis? What do you believe is the reason for almost religious belief in the sanctity of vaccination when compared to the advancement of knowledge in biochemistry in the last century?

It isn't religious belief. We have what is called data.

 

[Robert Ramsay]

It's weird how my entire family got that garbage pumped into them, except for me. Weird that all of them got “the covid” except for me. Weird how my father went from being as strong as a bear to a weak old man that got several strange internal infections and a stroke. Weird how my mom turned into a nervous wrack looking and acting like someone at least 25 years older. Weird how my younger brother, the average fitness bro got the covid even though he works out every single day. Weird how his 17 year old kid suddenly died from heart failure after getting that garbage. Weird how I just eat fresh vegetables and fruit and didn't get the covid. Strange. With all these vaccinated people coughing and infecting each other everywhere.
Also pretty weird how the pro-vaccine people all seem to be of the same character. Immediately trying to insult others when they choose not to take that shit. Mocking and ridiculing. Wonder why they care so much, if they after all are safe from the disease.

Have you considered that it might just because you are a magician? Because you are lucky? We don't insist on strict chains of "normal" cause and effect, and strange things happen around us, but we don't always get to choose how that luck works out.

 

[KjEno186]

Polio is not caused by a bacteria. If you can't get the most basic facts right, I think your misplaced assurance in that author is unwarranted

To quote from his book The Moth in the Iron Lung:

It wasn’t just streptococcus. Others were able to create poliomyelitis in rabbits using E. coli and Staphylococcus aureus bacteria.

When a modern reader hears the term polio, they inevitably envision paralysis caused by a specific thing—the poliovirus. When it was first discovered, this virus was thought to be the sole microbe responsible for poliomyelitis and was consequently named poliovirus. Although direct experimentation was not typically conducted on humans, it was eventually discovered that the poliovirus could indeed paralyze. It has an affinity for replicating in nervous tissue, and the resulting inflammation can apparently cause the lesions of poliomyelitis.

But humans can also be paralyzed by other viruses—not just the poliovirus. It was later discovered that coxsackievirus, echovirus and other enteroviruses such as D68 could also cause poliomyelitis and its ensuing paralysis. The symptoms may appear identical to that of the poliovirus, and even a post-mortem examination of the victim’s spinal cord might be unable to distinguish a difference.

These facts suggest a reality that will no doubt confuse the modern reader: Poliomyelitis can be caused by many different things. In humans, there are at least several viruses which can replicate in neural tissue and cause poliomyelitis. Numerous bacteria in animals can trigger the same results. And to complicate matters, recall Popov’s experiments which created the hallmark signs of poliomyelitis in creatures he had poisoned with arsenic. All of them—under the right conditions—could cause examples of poliomyelitis that were indistinguishable from one another, even under a microscope.

Unfortunately, after the 1909 presentation in Vienna, the die was cast. Amongst the group of highly esteemed scientists, their quest to locate a single cause was judged to have been a success. Poliomyelitis, it would appear, was caused by a virus—a pathogen so small it couldn’t be seen by their most powerful microscopes and could easily pass through their most delicate filters.

Microbiology is not the exact science many think of it as. Peering through a microscope does not always reveal discrete microbial forms that can be easily classified within a clearly delineated taxonomy. Bacteria can change forms, often in ways that make recognition difficult. Some take on round shapes, others look like rods, while still others are curved or even tightly spiraled. Over years of trial and error, chemical solutions were created that could stain certain bacteria in order to make them more easily identifiable. Because not all bacteria would stain, this became an attribute in and of itself that could be used to help determine what someone was looking at.

[Edward] Rosenow, having studied bacterial infections within the brain for many years, was keenly aware of this. He knew that bacteria could shift and slide around in ways that were difficult to detect—sometimes becoming so small they could apparently pass through their most delicate filters, an ability which led many scientists to refer to them as viruses. Nowadays, we differentiate the two because bacteria can replicate on their own, whereas viruses require a host—another living cell. This crucial difference was not understood at the time, and as such, the ability to pass through Berkeland filters was what determined if something was classified as a virus or bacteria—it was their apparent size, not their mode of reproduction.

Years later, antibiotics would exploit this characteristic of bacteria to great effect. The penicillin family of drugs work specifically by causing bacteria to lose their cell wall—a dramatic event which effectively kills them. Unfortunately, some bacteria are not bothered the least bit by this process and, in fact, can begin replicating inside other living cells—just like viruses—a process with ramifications so nocuous as to deserve its own book. Because Rosenow sensed that some of the streptococcus bacteria he had cultured from poliomyelitis victims were transforming into a “virus” state, he sought the assistance of a fellow scientist who had built a unique microscope that could see far beyond anything possible at the time.

I suppose I could continue quoting the book, but what's the point? Quite frankly, I have an open mind, but I am also guided by life experience of over half a century. I have had to critically examine most everything I have been indoctrinated with because so many commonly accepted narratives aren't as clear cut and established as I was led to believe.

There are obvious benefits to the advancement of biological science, but I am also aware of the way business operates to conserve established means of generating profit. When billions of dollars are at stake, the only legal consideration of corporations is their shareholders. Any challenge to this paradigm is seen as a serious threat. When companies producing vaccines were being sued back in the early 1980s, their solution was an appeal to the US Government for liability protection. They admitted that they could not prove their products were safe, but the prevailing narrative of "safe and effective" had been shaped in the public mind over decades by the ending of the Polio "epidemic" and the apparent elimination of Smallpox. The government caved to the demands of these corporations and gave them protection from being sued. Since that time, the number of injections given to children multiplied. Business boomed.

As any scientist will tell you, correlation does not prove causation. The existence of these injectable medical interventions coincided with the reduced incidence of communicable diseases. At the same time, other medical conditions were on the rise. It is at this point that the thinking person begins to ask questions, not adhere to dogma. Correlation does not prove causation. Correlation does not prove causation!

 

[borbponderer]

To quote from his book The Moth in the Iron Lung:

I suppose I could continue quoting the book, but what's the point? Quite frankly, I have an open mind, but I am also guided by life experience of over half a century. I have had to critically examine most everything I have been indoctrinated with because so many commonly accepted narratives aren't as clear cut and established as I was led to believe.

As published by Createspace Independant Publishing Platform, the modern day equivalent of the vanity publishing press?

Post automatically merged: Today at 2:45 AM

You are way deep down the rabbit hole

 

[KjEno186]

As published by Createspace Independant Publishing Platform, the modern day equivalent of the vanity publishing press?

Post automatically merged: Today at 2:45 AM

You are way deep down the rabbit hole

Do you think a major publisher wants to be involved in printing anything that goes against the official narratives?

 

[borbponderer]

Do you think a major publisher wants to be involved in printing anything that goes against the official narratives?

That's not really an argument

 

[KjEno186]

So, now we are just going to judge books by their publishers? Here we are on an occult forum, a topic which is derided by mainstream science. Well, do with the information what you will. I won't judge anyone for the choices they make. If you find something I wrote useful, then that is fine. If not, then good day to you!