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[Opinion] Magic Systems aren't that different from each other

Everyone's got one.

Butterfly Affect

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Most of them seem to have the same "skeleton" to them. A lot of the methods seem the same, just described in different ways. I think they're all like different stitches. Each can accomplish the same task, but they might come with slightly different designs at the end.

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I believe that the active essence in all paths is indeed one and the same, but it is like clear, colorless water—tasteless and odorless. The rest is up to each individual: there are those who deal with demons and regard them as evil entities with their own goals, so they have colored the essence of magic with different hues. Some have worshiped them to draw closer to them and humble themselves before them through various acts of devotion, while others have tried to use higher powers to subjugate them and compel them to serve humanity without worship, and there are those who have taken the stars and their paths as signs; some have worshiped them and spun myths around them, while others have drawn near to them as agents acting on behalf of the divine—and both...Both descriptions refer to characters with different names in pronunciation, but to set the record straight, they are identical in essence—even if they differ in details. Mars, Bahram, Mars, and Marsh are all names for which characters were invented, attributed to deities, and surrounded by myths—but which of them was described as a gentle and kind being? All of them described him as war, fire, iron, red blood, rage, betrayal, murder, and hunting—all actions that point to a single meaning. Even if the details differ, are they not all united in the fact that he represents war and blood? Others turned to the natural sciences and combined the four elements in the seven forms within the twelve templates.
They also emphasized astrological times, conjunctions, and planetary alignments, so they invented incense, ointments, and potions... Others became preoccupied with the divine and also attributed angels to the planets, zodiac signs, elements, and directions, and drew near to them through various forms of worship; some of them worshipped them, as the Arabs worshipped angels or other beings... ... Most importantly, they viewed the lunar mansions and the secrets of the planets as part of the same framework, considering them the path of the planets and the true hidden essence—like a spirit—of those celestial bodies, as well as the paths of their forces and movements. And there are idol worshippers who chant, prepare potions, and dance...
I hope I’ve quickly clarified the points you raised, and I’d like to respond by saying that what you said is true: everyone benefits from the same rain. If it falls into the salty sea, it makes it saltier; if it falls on grass, it makes it grow; and if it falls in the desert, it makes it bloom. It is… Verb. Subject. Object. And everyone else can fill in the rest....
 

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If you find a similarity between few systems, don't expect all systems to be the same.

As an example, compare Enochian path with a Tibetan path.

Systems are ultimately different, which is why GD failed to make the one behemoth system and why paradigm shift is a big thing in Chaos Magick
 

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Most of them seem to have the same "skeleton" to them. A lot of the methods seem the same, just described in different ways. I think they're all like different stitches. Each can accomplish the same task, but they might come with slightly different designs at the end.

Thoughts?
As I've said in another thread, I believe that whatever system you use to implement magic obscures the 'skeleton', in the same way as the six blind men each get a different idea of the elephant by grabbing a different part of it. I believe that Chaos magic reveals more of the whole 'elephant' than many other systems. The paradigm shifts of Chaos magic do not show that there are actually many different systems; they show that there is an underlying 'skeleton' that you can activate in many different ways.

The magical systems are the map, and not the territory.
everyone benefits from the same rain. If it falls into the salty sea, it makes it saltier; if it falls on grass, it makes it grow; and if it falls in the desert, it makes it bloom. It is… Verb. Subject. Object. And everyone else can fill in the rest....
Lovely metaphor!
 
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